On just saying no thank you

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Phoebe of What would Phoebe do?, in a larger post about the idea that abstinence should equal "purity" even for the non-religious, includes this thoughtful, if tangential-to-her-point, point.

Somewhat tangentially, this is where I disagree with the (rest of) the left: I believe that there are individuals, gay and straight, who are actually happier abstinent than sexually active, because it would be so upsetting to them to indulge that it would cancel out any pleasure sex would bring them. I don't think sexual desires are somehow inherently stronger than religious fervor, so if a desire for "purity" exceeds one for sex, that's the desire that wins out. Of course, I say this from the perspective of someone who is completely secular, so perhaps I'm wrong, but I think many secular, liberal types like myself make the mistake of thinking that everyone who doesn't have many sexual experiences, preferably with both sexes, is somehow miserable. I say this not out of some all-encompassing idea of moral equivalence--I do not believe that if someone's religion dictates female genital mutilation, beating women, etc., that that's fine, too--but out of a sense that different people want different things for different reasons, and to assume a healthy, fulfilling sex life is everyone's first priority is unfair.

It's a good great point! If you're into sex it's kind of hard... ok, maybe *really* hard to imagine having no such urges. But somewhere between five and fifteen percent of men and roughly the same percentage of women never, ever have orgasms and, while this is frustrating for quite a few of them, for others it's as natural as not being able to taste colors is to the rest of us.

I remember hanging out with a friend who was reading an essay by, I'm pretty sure, Shulamith Firestone of The Dialectics of Sex fame, who wondered how people could get so heated up over what amounted to the "friction of mucous membranes." Though my friend and I weren't having sex with each other we still goggled over the notion that anyone could reduce all of sex to such a characterless description. On the other hand, if you don't feel it that's probably what it must look like to you. (On a related note I distinctly remember feeling intense dismay as a pre-pubescent when I realized that I too would probably eventually enjoy kissing on the mouth -- which at the time seemed like the height of disgustingly germy. (Sure enough, a few years later... thank goodness!!!)

Anyway, it's worth remembering that if we're going to honor diversity we probably ought to honor all of it. On the other hand, as Phoebe hints in the main body of her post, it would be awfully nice if those who feel that way (or, more properly, don't) would return the favor. (There's no more virtue in chastity if you're utterly asexual than there's virtue in not drinking vegetable oil.)

And by the way, you really ought to read the rest of Phoebe's post. She makes some wonderful points about problems with the abstinence-only movement.

Update: I sort of left the impression, above, that asexual people are a subset of those who can't have orgasms. Just as some people wish rather passionately that they could have orgasms, there are asexual people who could have orgasms if they were interested. In other words asexuality isn't as simple as cause or effect. I should also add that our initial reaction that there must be some unacknowledged childhood trauma, repression, closeting, or other psychological dysfunction behind someone's asexuality isn't always born out. (To show my own bias the way I see it is as an extremely long refractory period.) Anyway I should have been more thorough..

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Lydia said

Wow, that whole post is amazing and fascinating...

I respect the tradition of shomer negiah, and i'm sure it helps some people,which is excellent (and also many Christians follow this practice to some degree though it's not encoded in our faith's 'laws'). But i wonder (not that it matters, these are the traditions of another faith and that's just that): Does it ever cause more problems than it prevents? Are any couples ever severely hampered in their married life by never having been able to touch a person of the opposite sex? And, do the strict orthodox jews truly and really do it thru a hole in the sheet? Ye gods...

It also makes me wonder, pruriently, whether or not it engenders a great deal of lesbian or lesbian-like activity among the young women, who might see that as a way of sexual outlet that would not break shomer negiah. Things to wonder about.

[I hadn't heard the term before I read Phoebe's article. As for lesbianism I read the New Testament a while ago and the first five books of the Old (including all the begats and shalt-nots) and to be honest I don't remember seeing anything at all about it. There's an unbelievable focus on purity and non-mixing in the early parts (for instance wearing cotton/poly blends is strictly forbidden) so I'd say on general principle the answer would be no. But then again they were so flipping patriarchial (they believed, approximately, that the man's "seed" was literally a seed and women's bodies merely incubators for whatever his seed contained) that sex between women may have been too irrelevant for them to consider prohibiting. Definitely not for me to say though. Good question though. Thanks, Lydia. --fl]

virgin said

For me it's definitely not about having 'no such urges'. It's about trying to find balance between two very strong uges, which (at this point in my life) are diametrically opposed.

[Oh yeah, it's pretty clear you've got plenty of urges in both directions. Any virtue that has accrued to you is earned, and since you value it, good for you! (What was it Kennedy said? We do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard.) Thanks, V. --fl]

Shay said

I'm fine with everyone doing whatever they want - as long as they aren't hurting anyone or forcing their beleifs on me or anyone else.

[Yup. With the key word being "forcing." I don't mind people trying to talk me into something -- that's part of how we learn new things. Thanks, Shay. --fl]

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