Long life, vitality, and men's precious bodily fluids

Tue, 2007-02-27 12:48

In a very short post Ann Althouse of Althouse says


Is he 107 because he stopped having sex when he was 30?

Chan Chi’s wife died in the Japanese invasion. Imagine going 77 years without sex. Few would do it on the hope it would make life last longer. And who even believes that it could? But it’s touching to think of a man who lost his wife and remained faithful to her.

Because it was so short I’ve excerpted the whole post. It originally appeared here.

According to various sources the idea that going without sex extends mens’ life or increases their vitality is widely accepted.

The sociologist’s term for it is “semen conservation” and if you Google for that term you’ll find all kinds of, um, helpful information. (Note: Since I have it at hand I’m relying mainly on Elizabeth Abbott’s A History of Celibacy but numerous other sources confirm the following tidbits.)

Semen conservation is allegedly a central (philosophical) principle in the Hindu tradition. Taoists and Buddhists believe in it too. It’s been documented in various shamanistic traditions in South, Central, and (I believe) North America as well.

Closer to home, late 19th-Century and early 20th Century movements including Muscular Christianity, the Boy Scouts, health food, infant circumcision, and opposition to “self-pollution” were based on the obviously-unfounded but widely held view among British and American doctors that the “loss” of semen during a single act of sex was equal to losing a pint of blood. It was generally believed that sex with one’s wife even twelve times a year was a one-way ticket to insanity and early death. Dr. Kellogg invented corn flakes, and Dr. Graham developed his crackers with the expressed belief that a sufficiently bland diet would preserve and extend men’s lives by curtailing their libidos. And finally, the Victorian euphemism “to spend” was based on the idea that men produced only so much semen in a lifetime and once it was gone so were you.

(It’s also worth pointing out that the stress of semen conservation on men, combined with a general belief that women could have sex with no ill effects, contributed to the upside-down-to-use idea that women were naturally sexually amoral and unchaste while men were the virtuous guardians of sexual restraint. Which is no less stupid than our current Purity-ball mentality that dumps all responsibility for restraint on women.)

The point being that while it seems daft to us (ok, it is daft), the idea that it’s not just moral but health-improving to abstain has been and remains a very popular belief.

Not that such belief takes anything away from Chan Chi’s faithfulness or devotion to his late wife. 77 years is a very long time, and 30 is very young. Dr. Kellogg notwithstanding, most traditions allow a “grace period” during one’s reproductive years. Abstinent or not he certainly could have remarried. That he chose not to is very touching.

Submitted by 1233 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-02-28 06:17.

His devotion to his lost wife is beautiful. But how sad for him that he never fell in love again, and had a second chance at love...

I'm all for monogamy.
Abstinence though, if it is IN a relationship, doesn't do much for me. Even if it was extebnded my partner's life -- it would be a source of big strife in our relationship, maybe even ending it...
I'd rather live until 80 and have had the sweetness of the imtimacy than live past 100 and been deprived...

[If it's any consolation the original point of tantric sex was to let people have both. Plus with a little (ok, a lot) of work a lot of men can learn to separate orgasms from ejaculation. Then they can *really* have the best of both worlds. (Although that would assume that semen conservation really did anything except maybe slow down sperm production.) Thanks, Annie. --fl]

Submitted by 1233 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-02-28 15:30.

Apparently some cultures hold similar beliefs about heartbeats. Your heart has only so many beats during it's lifetime, and if you do anything that increases your heart rate above normal (such as sex or exercise) you are essentially just shortening your lifespan.

I must admit, although I am something of a prickly anti-romantic, I find Chan Chi's little story pleasingly sentimental.

[I know people study that, and you might be interested to know that it turns out that most mammals have approximately the same number of heartbeats in their lifetimes, with larger ones tending to have slower heartbeats and thus longer lives. Odd duck in the mix, though, turns out to be humans. Using the body-mass/heart-rate calculation we're about as heavy as deer and therefore ought to live roughly 20 years, as they evidently can. We obviously blow that one out of the water with or without sex. :-) Thanks, Shasta. --fl]

Submitted by 1233 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-02-28 15:46.

Strangely, I am just now watching the movie Kinsey ... I've been wanting to see this since it came out. I just saw the scene with the two Boy Scouts, and one just said that "the loss of one ounce of seminal fluid is equivalent to the loss of forty ounces of blood." Can you imagine!

By the by, the casting of this is amazing. The guy they've got playing young Kinsey looks just like Liam Neeson. Wow, dude.

[I loved that movie. Yeah, when Kinsey and even more so his father, were growing up mainstream health experts swore that was true. And no, I can't imagine. Thanks, Watergirl. --fl]

Submitted by 1233 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-02-28 21:18.

I had heard similar things growing up. Particularly how masturbation wastes semen, so I had insane guilt trips as a teen. Then I grew out of it when sex came along. There are quiet times between sex. Masturbation relieves the strain.

Few would be loyal to a memory after the person dies, that depends on cultural traditions.

[Oh masturbation is great! I've always done it whether or not I've also been having sex. Sorry they fed you that line growing up. Thanks, KC. --fl]

Submitted by 1233 (not verified) on Sun, 2007-03-04 18:39.

Semen conservation doesn't really lead to a longer lifespan; it just seems longer....

[Ouch! Well said! Thanks, Grant. --fl]

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