Seems like a lot of people have been talking about relationships, relationship failures, the relevance of dating and hookups and one-night stands these days. (And this makes them different from other days exactly how? Um… except maybe a third-time’s-the-charm effect not much.)
Anyway, the third-time charm this morning came from Anastasia of Sexualité who has a thoughtful meditation based on the last time she slept (slept slept, not had-sex-with slept) with a man.
That last time I awoke in a car. I didn’t do anything frisky in the car, preferring to engage in the hot stuff outside, on the beach. We returned to the car after a marathon grope and make out session, to chill out and caught some kip. My idea of relaxation or sleep takes place horizontally, not sitting bolt upright in a car seat. I don’t really think about the last time on a daily basis; I don’t mark it off on a calendar. However, this last fortnight I’ve been thinking about it more.
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Shortly after that, I waltzed into the meaning of everything, and it brought one of the most popular books to mind, Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl.
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Getting back on the track, a recent conversation returned to mind:
‘I’m great at casual!’ the person who said this to me reminded me of myself some years ago, and to tell you the truth I didn’t know what to reply. The last couple of days have taken me on a different route that’s had me return to the sexual equation. As much as I appreciate sex, the idea of casual anything has petered out. I think about it, and don’t know what to make of it. Can I or can’t I? It’s a question that has no real answer. I think I’m capable of having a random encounter, but another part of me questions this.
When it comes to relationships, I think the problem lies not in finding relationships that have meaning but in declaring relationships that don’t endure as meaningless. I think it’s an artificial distinction.
I mean, when you think about it Anastasia and I have a relationship. We each read what the other has to say and respond to each other in comments. We not only think well of each other but we also wish each other well. To the extent any relationship has meaning then ours does — even though we live a very large ocean apart, even though we’ll almost certainly never meet, even though we’re even less likely to have sex, even though we’re even less likely to live our our years together. And the great thing is I think we’re pretty content with the relationship as it stands, which makes it a pretty ideal one.
Obviously the kind of relationship we have either unique or exclusive to each other or anyone else. And my point is that just because it’s not “that kind” of relationship doesn’t make it meaningless.
I bring this up because I had some genuinely catastrophic breakups in my early days — when I feel in love I’d fall hard, and fall hard again when things fell apart. A big turning point came after my fourth “great loss” breakup when one of the first thoughts was “not two more years,” which was the time it tended to take me to recover. And once again it did take two years before I was ready for another relationship. But when that too fell apart, and the first thought again (after briefly contemplating throwing myself under a car that was speeding down the street that moment) was “not two more years!” And while in a lot of ways that breakup was the worst, that insight about time “wasted” in and after my relationships gave me a whole new perspective on what I’d been looking for, meaningwise, and what I had supposed I was looking for.
The time I spent in those earlier relationships wasn’t wasted at all. Nor, really, were they failures. And though each certainly made it easier to manage the next their meaning wasn’t the preparation or practice they gave me. They were just mostly wonderful experiences with mostly wonderful people that were failures only in the sense that our expectations were that “relationships” lasting less than a lifetime lack validity and are therefore meaningless.
Now before you decide I’m just being woo-woo all-one-love-yah, or that I’m saying we should all enjoy random sex with strangers and call it “relationships” I have one more point: A declaration that all relationships have meaning, even very short ones, tends to make one less rather than more patient with those who care only for the availability of one’s tab A or slot B.
[Note: From the other side, neither can we have much patience for those who seek to possess “a long-term relationship” without much consideration for whom they might have it. I’m thinking here about a former co-worker who, returning for a visit after a year, with outstretched arm pushed a huge engagement ring under everyone’s noses without once letting us know exactly who had given it to her. But that’s another story. —fl]




Submitted by 1343 (not verified) on Tue, 2007-05-01 18:07.
I think every relationship is meaningful in that it teaches you something. Sometimes it's a lesson that brings you knowledge and sometimes it's just hurt, but it makes you who you are and when you meet someone who *is* permanent, all of the past that you bring to the table is part of you and leads you to that person. How can people not find meaning in that?
[I think it can happen when you believe no game but the championship counts. What we gotta work on is the myth that the only "valid" relationships are either totally no-strings-attached or else ball-and-chain-attached. There's just... more to life than that. Thanks, WG. --fo]
Submitted by 1343 (not verified) on Thu, 2007-05-03 21:30.
Interesting. I enjoy (or past tense anyway) casual sex. But I agree, it needn't be meaningless.
I don't go looking for sex. But if I go to a party I WILL flirt. And I know very quickly whether or not I'd sleep with them. Much of the time I would.
I have an extensive list of men I've met over a few hours or a few weeks who make me wet even in retrospect. If we'd slept together we may have never talked again, we may have stayed in touch, we may have become friends. Any of these are fine, so long as we're all civil and friendly
I don't understand looking for a relationship of a certain sort rather than a person with whom you can form a relationship of any sort.
Unfortunately most people are too hung up for people just to be honest with each other and do what they like
[Yeah. To be honest I think it's a shame we don't recognize even really basic things like an (ordinary, non-flirtatious) interaction with a cashier or the person next to us on the bus a relationship. They might be minor ones but they contribute to the fabric of our lives. (If you don't think so consider how much a smile or frown from a near stranger can subtly affect your whole day.) Thanks, Dana. --fl]
Submitted by 1343 (not verified) on Wed, 2007-05-02 14:52.
i've actually checked out of the dating scene entirely because it's so devastating here. if you look at the census the numbers are even but if you factor in the enormous gay community in the downtown core it's brutal.
there are literally no men around somehow and the only ones who do find me are already taken and are using me to prove they still have it.
after four years of trying everything from online dating to 'putting myself out there' to setups from friends i'm really getting to the point where i would just rather date my blog.
tragically i'll have to give up my fuck buddy soon because the very casualness of it is starting to grate.
do i want a life partner?
sure that sounds nice but it's not required by any stretch. someone to date and go to movies with and fuck for a few years? sure sounds good to me!
[Yup. My women friends here in the Northwest report the same problem finding long-term (or even short-term-but-not-one-nighters) relationships. Sorry it's cramping your style, badgirl. --fl]
Submitted by 1343 (not verified) on Tue, 2007-05-01 15:34.
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The above, well your entire post is spot on, it’s how I felt about the last two instances I was involved, where I came out thinking about all the time I’d wasted taking apart every moment during the relationships, as well as the steps that led to their demise and if I put together all the time I spent forcing myself out there 2000, I thought of two university degrees (three years each), and shifted my personal relationship paradigm.
So now, it’s not about me keeping up with the female Jones’ (as I would in my late teens to early twenties), or get on out there and do it for the sake of doing it (arranging all these dates via online dating, which was convenient after I spent 7 years in a relationship), and seeking a meaning that didn’t reflect my needs at all. I’d always be the person who wouldn’t stop to consider my own goals outside of relationships (on a deep level), and end up distracted by newcomers, falling back into the artificial or social meaning of relationships in respect to women (to be settled in a relationship in my early thirties).
I can find meaning within a casual one night stand, in respect to myself and the other person, when things are up front, random and reflect that more primal element (without long held expectations beforehand), but if I had to consciously approach people for sex, with that intention beforehand, then the random meaning is lost to me and it becomes another pastime, that I’ve engaged in how many times, that dissolves. So for me, the completely random or unexpected sex is more engaging or thrilling. My post resulted from a entering a territory I was yet to step into, involving a person that set it off in my head. The other female posse around me during the day were all, 'why don't you just do it,' and I thought that I have done it how many times, and that I'd like to do something different (it doesn't have to end up at the altar or anything), but at this point I'd prefer for something to be lengthier than a one nighter, where two people feel awkward and end up avoiding each other or drastically altering communication.
[The very hard part is finding other people who are willing to try on the notion that good relationships can still happen somewhere *between* one-nighters and till-death-do-you-parters. It's a pretty entrenched ideology. But good non-bedroom conversation fare. Good luck, Anastasia. And thanks. --fl]