Passionate feminism in heterosexual relationships

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Photo from my Towel Off series on Flickr.

Hugo Schwyzer evidently got flack the other day for claiming he's in a "passionately feminist marriage." The skepticism being fueled by ignorance verging on belief in vagina dentata.

But what do I mean when I say my marriage is “passionately feminist”? In the eyes of the anti-feminists, that may conjure up an image of a timid and fearful Hugo, walking on eggshells around his domineering wife, asking her permission for everything. Anti-feminists tend to think that any man who embraces real egalitarianism has essentially been emasculated, and has surrendered his capacity for action to his wife. Or perhaps they imagine that we have a little dry erase board in the kitchen, on which we keep track of how much time each of us has spent on domestic duties, in order to ensure that each of us is putting in precisely the same amount of effort as the other. And God only knows what the anti-feminists imagine about our bedroom. Perhaps they imagine my wife is some sort of dominatrix, or that our sexual behavior precludes penis-in-vagina intercourse, as that would indicate our acceptance of the “hegemony of the phallus.” Jeepers, the mind boggles at the possibilities!

He addresses the question, very well, here.

Sure, Schwyzer may be erecting exceptionally ignorant straw men to knock down, but then his accusers seem just as determined to bury him under straw-feminists. Well fine. If I may erect a straw man of my own, I get the impression that anti-feminists believe feminists treat their partners as sneeringly, verging-on-violently, force-the-to-walk-on-eggshells distainfully as they believe men treat women in non-feminist partnerships. Based, no doubt, on their own inches-from-a-restraining-order beliefs about what constitutes heterosexual domestic life. But in fact feminist partners are nothing like, say, hair-trigger Men's Rights Activists. Seriously. It's kind of cool.

Schwyzer continues through the litany. He has a funny, and illustrative, section on how when he and his partner fight he does sometimes wind up on the couch but *as you'd expect from a feminist marriage* other times she has to sleep out there. Like I say, illustrative and funny. Oh, and true. It's not that you don't fight, it's that you don't fight against a stacked deck, a set of rigidly confining assumptions about who should do what, or, especially, knowing that the man is not an interloper in the woman's "domestic domain" and thus is no more obliged to sleep in the stereotypical doghouse than she is.

On to sex

Where sex is concerned, I accept the “diff’rent strokes for diff’rent folks” view. But there’s a common misconception that “heterosexual feminist sex” leaves little room for role play and excitement. Newsflash, folks: feminists have sex like a lot of other people do. Sometimes men are on top, sometimes women are on top, sometimes — oh heck, you get the point. I don’t know about YiddisheMama, but one sure-fire way to kill passion in a marriage in my view is to fall prey to any kind of routine. Permit me to be vulgar in the service of making a point: sometimes, it’s nice to have someone you love and trust push you up against a wall and “do” ya. And other times, that same person may need “to be done.” (Let me recommend, tangentially, David Schnarch’s magnificent Passionate Marriage – he talks a lot about this “doing and being done” thing, and it’s the best sex book I know for heterosexual monogamous couples.) Bottom line (pun intended), feminists have sex just like everybody else does: imperfectly and exuberantly.

Oh my. Almost all my kinkiest sex has been with passionately feminist -- not to mention just plain passionate -- women. First blowjob? Definitely. First invitation to fuck someone's ass? An absolutely powerful, but gorgeous feminist who not only had never shaved her legs or armpits but wore Birkenstocks with wool socks... but never underwear. All the partner's I've topped have been feminists. My office, college, or other work-related romances or affairs have been with feminists -- some subordinates, some supervisors, mostly colleagues.

The trick, I think, is that feminists know better than anti-feminists that no means no... and consequently they're a heck of a lot less hung up about what they'll say yes to. And feminists clearly understand their own economic and social potential and so, less subject to anti-feminist pressure to "sell themselves dearly," they're not shy to have the kind of sex *they* enjoy. Even better, unlike too many people who are scared to death of what *they've heard* about feminism, actual feminists are comfortable doing their own research and bringing their own sometimes *toe-curling hot* ideas to bed... or bath... or elsewhere. The only downside is they're not so keen to have the kind of sex they're *not* interested in, but that's only a theoretical downside. Only a clueless troll wants sex with someone who believes they're obliged to pretend.

And everything else about feminist marriage? Sheeh, seems pretty much like a regular marriage, right? A lot of love, incredible opportunities to spend with my children, no unusual problems, way more flexibility in the chores department (my partner nags me about putting away laundry, I nag her, believe it or not, about not getting to the supper dishes before stuff dries to them), quite a lot of personal and professional respect, and, of course, confidence that if something happened to one of us the other, plus our children, would be taken care of since neither of us think it's wrong that she earns as much or more in her profession as I can in mine. In other words feminist marriages are far more like *partnerships* where everyone pulls their weight, yeah, but where everybody shares the fun as well, *without* the fun being at the expense of anyone else in the partnership.

What's not to get passionate about?

3 Comments

That's a good post! I especially like how you point out the sharing fun - it seems to chime well with the evening we've just had, where we had a lively and interesting discussion on how best to change a duvet cover, so I left him to it, while I installed some software for him, and then of course there's the freahly made bed to look forward to....

and I hope you're not over-exercising that eye of yours

[See? See? That's exactly what I'm talking about! I mean it's not like if it's a feminist relationship then *he* makes the bed and *you* update the computer. It's that it *just gets done,* usually by whoever's got means, motive, and opportunity (as dimestore detectives always say.) And I'm not overtaxing much of anything right now so I ought to be fine. Eventually. Thanks, A. --fl]

Elizavetta said

About a year ago, Kochanie sent me here... needless to say, I loved what I found! And yes, I'm talking about more than just the sassy pics :)

Since then, life and work kind of curtailed my blogging travels (as well as my own writing) and I lost touch with this and many other "regularly read" blogs.

But today, I found you again - and oh what a happy day it is! So many of the blogs I was reading last year are now gone. Thank you for still being here.

And, thank you also for this post on feminist marriage, as well as your mention of Passionate Marriage, a book I've been meaning to hunt down and actually read.

My partner and I also have the type of egalitarian partnership you describe in this post, and we have plenty of fun and passion, thank you very much!

Your post made me realize that I've actually never thought to try to name or describe our partnership type (nor he or I as a feminist). I just think of it as a mature adult relationship in which we simply "show up," every day, for ourselves, each other and our family and community. We just do what needs to be done, which, to us, includes the pursuit of passion and fun for everyone involved.

I suppose "feminist marriage" is a pretty decent shorthand way to say all that, but even though I love playing with words and definitions, catchy labels spook me a little - especially labels that ignite all manner of gender issue kindling. But that's just me...

My own "labelism" phobias aside, thanks again for this great post! It served up a whole banquet of food for thought.

I'll definitely be back later to catch up on your archives. But for now, I'm off to Flickr to see a man about some towels ;)

[Thank you so much, Elizavetta! Glad you're making your way back. Also glad you're having fun in your egalitarian short-hand-for-feminist marriage. I mean, seriously, if you think about all the "I'm not a feminist but..." people in the world, where the "but" usually has nothing to do with *actual feminism* (e.g. hairy armpits or hating sex) and everything to do with successful anti-feminist propaganda it's kind of cool. But *because* of that propaganda I think when you've got one, calling it a "feminst marriage" is kind of a cool way of putting it. --fl]

Desire X said

You have great taste in women.
You do a lot for feminism Fig. I really wish there were more men out there who see it as an important issue.

Her

[Thanks, Des. It's a screamingly important issue and, as I've said, not just for women but for men. And not because it's just or fair or nice, which was sort of the position 20 or 30 years ago, but because it's smart! And for men it's not just better lives, better sex, more financial security, more respect from one's partner, better health, and longer lives, it's *not living a series of lies* that, really, aren't worth the sacrifice required to maintain them. At all. --fl]

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