On one of the more disreputable control-group websites I visit to see what’s happening in the, um, less progressive parts of the world, I ran across the following comment by one individual about another in a context that made it clear that the former wasn’t personally acquainted with the latter.
I want to go out having a heart attack on top of a girl like this one!
Anyone want to help me list all the things that aren’t even wrong* about that sentiment?
Even on some of the more esoteric levels it’s wrong in the sense that, for instance, we devalue life to such an extent that we imagine that our own deaths would be of no consequence to even nearby strangers, let alone loved ones, friends, acquaintances, neighbors, and — not to put too fine a point on it — anybody one might be “on top of” when one goes “out.”
And whereas such an attitude might be idealized by the du Toit family (it simply never occurred to me that the first name of “Mrs. Kim du Toit” would not be “Kim”), in fact there’s an awesome but tragic amount of alienation built into the idea that one would prefer to die while having sex with a stranger than while surrounded by friends and family that you love and that love you. To have one’s humanity pruned so harshly into the comic topiary we’re supposed to believe is “natural” for our genders is harsh enough — to be so harshly gender-windburned that one would imagine enjoying leaving one’s cooling corpus mundi not merely in the hands of, but in the bed of and across the body of someone who, again from the context, most likely would have not only panicked phone calls to make but also extremely awkward ones, not only personal grieving but largely unsupported-by-one’s-lover’s-family grieving to do afterwards… I dunno. After a while it just adds up.
And whereas it’s possible to imagine it would be pleasurable to die during intercourse, perhaps right after having one’s own last orgasm, there’s a certain… how to put this delicately enough… fucking ultimate stereotypical chauvinist selfishness inherent in such a colossal failure of consideration as to so terminally get one’s self off without concern for one’s partner’s enjoyment… or lack of searingly traumatic memories.
Come to think about it, it also implies a certain lack of physical self-awareness or self confidence. To imagine that sex, even sex with someone much younger than oneself, would give one a heart attack implies all sorts of health and aging disconnects that, again, while in reality must be actively stamped out of human beings, nevertheless is held to be “natural” to masculinity.
Oh yeah, and while the list could go on and on, there’s also a genuinely massive implicit disregard for consent! If there was any chance that one’s partner might collapse and die during sex you’d think you’d want them to let them know so they can decide for themselves if that’s a risk they’d be comfortable with.
Did I miss anything?
Note: I am so not a saint. I’m sure I would also feel attracted to the object of the author’s desire and even fantasize ways things might go if we met, hit it off, entered a relationship no matter how casual, and chose each other as sex partners. (Nor would I be alone with such a fantasy. According to my official textbook here I’m joined by 98% of men and 80% of women in “admitting extradyadic fantasies in the previous two months.”)
Final note: Yes, yes, I’m being entirely too ungenerous. My textbook (what, I was going to pull it out sooner?) also reminds us that fantasies often contain elements that, if actually carried out in real life, would squick the fantasizer. Color me unconvinced on this one but not unconvincable.
I think that when people say things like, “I want to go out having a heart attack on top of a girl like this one!” they say that without thinking it through the way you just did. I think that even people who seem like complete jerks and have affairs and seem to not care would not want to cause their spouses the pain of finding out that they died that way. Sometimes people say dumb things without thinking it through, especially when they are trying to be funny. I know I have have said dumb things before and I will do it again.
Thanks for saying you’re not a saint, because sometimes you seem to good to be a real person, compared to a lot of guys on the internet who are all like “haw haw look a picture of a naked chick with tits” not to name names (or blogs) but some guys piss me off.
Finally, about fantasies, I have fantasized about stuff that would squick me in real life. I don’t know if most people do, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Oh, and I think that the 80% number for women is low, and I wonder if the 98% for men is high. I wonder if people are saying what they think is expected of them rather than the truth?
[I agree the numbers for men and women are probably more similar than the survey suggests. I just get too impatient when I look at some of the questions surveyors ask, and without access to the ones used for this study I just don’t know what to make of it. Glad you’re comfortable with me not being a total saint, or even any kind of saint, Mag. I’m just me, (worry)warts and all. —fl]
I’d want to have sex on the last day I was alive (if possible, which it probably won’t be; I’ve seen a lot of people die and they weren’t even strong enough to roll over in bed on the last day), but with someone I loved, not someone hot.
And I wouldn’t want to die on them because for God’s sake, in addition to the sheer horror of being under and connected to a dead person, people tend to urinate/defecate/vomit when they die. That would be very inconsiderate.
I think sugar’s right though, I don’t think people who say things like that are thinking through it; it’s more of a “whoo, fucking her would be, like, the ultimate experience!” than a literal statement.
[Yeah, it’s the unpleasant stuff that goes along with dying that I was thinking about too, Holly. I remember a pre-med friend who worked “harvesting” corneas from recently killed people talking about the “corpse cooties,” all the little, generally invisible critters that live on people but panic and run around looking for new hosts when their host dies. Ewww!!! The whole idea of dying on someone just seems so obliviously inconsiderate. —fl]
This reminds me of a joke I once read:
Three elderly men are sitting on a park bench, discussing how they would like to depart this world.
The first, well into his seventies, says, “I’d like to go in a blaze of glory – one of these fantastic new sports cars they’ve got now… then suddenly, a tire goes, BANG! and it’s all over, just like that!”
The second, an octogenarian, decides to outdo him: “Me, I want to be strapped into one of those amazing space rockets, heading off to outer space, then suddenly something goes wrong – BOOM! and my ashes are spread across a continent!” he fold his arms and sits back smugly.
The third man, 93 if he’s a day, shakes his head at the other two: “You’ve got it all wrong! The way I want to die, is to be killed by a jealous lover!”
[What’s great about that humor, SnowdropExplodes, is the acknowledgement, even in jest, that we actually don’t lose our sex drives. (Centinarians of both genders may not do it very often but a surprising number of them evidently still masturbate, at least.) —fl]
I’m with Sugar Mag and Holly… I doubt very much that the speaker / writer was thinking through the implications in the least. It was an off-hand comment. On the other hand, the part that squicks me is that the off-hand thought, the first thing that came to his mind, was such an objectifying impersonal act that brought together meaningless sex and death. I’d even be willing to take the fact that it’s objectifying and impersonal out of the squick factor… I guess it’s spontaneous stranger fantasies to be like that. But death? Why would anyone think death when they think meaningless sex? Am I missing something?
[I agree he wasn’t thinking, he was just trying to say something that sounded macho. But yeah, without a whole lot more context, that it was the first thing he thought of is kind of odd. Thanks, Marianne. —fl]
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