Belle de Jour On the "No-Sex Class" Paradigm

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[Note: I'm on vacation in what may be very limited internet service so this is a pre-recorded and (I very much hope!) a self-publishing post. I may not have much opportunity to reply to comments but you're comments are still very welcome. I'll reply as soon as I can. You're some of the best commenters in the blogsphere so you're always welcome to respond spiritedly but respectfully to each other's comments while I'm away. --fl]

Belle de Jour, who seems to be actively blogging again, channels the dominant "no-sex" class paradigm so I won't have to.

...one thing I am rapidly learning is that outside the world of the call girl, it is a truth universally acknowledged that men need to be made to feel as if they've battled for every last sexual favour granted them, no matter how usual. Read the quote in context here.

Remember it's *men's* paradigm -- a point she brings home nicely in a footnote

* Lest you think I'm laying all blame for this state of affairs at the doorstep of women, I feel obliged to clarify - certain men encourage this behaviour. I've known men to walk away from a sexual dynamo only to end up panting at the feet of a frigid hag by choice. Clearly, in some minds, girls who have less sex must have pussies that are lined with gold. If you're one such chap, here's a free clue: the M1 still goes north regardless of how many people drive on it, 'kay?

That sounds about right. We created it, we enforce it (sometimes *very* brutally), and in classic no-win-situationism we then blame *you* for it with words like "gatekeeper," "frigid," and then saying we're "scoring" or "getting lucky" when (miracle of miracles we imagine) we "get" sex!

(As usual I don't know why people keep blaming *feminism* when the real problem, over and over and over, is so clearly *anti-feminism.*)

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butterflywings said

Nope, I'm not sure Belle du Jour gets it.

I read her entry more as "poor poor mens not getting sex they are ENTITLED to! Frigid bitches!" and as such, I certainly don't think it is instructive. Belle is no role model for women.

Large quantity of lovers/ sex does not = being liberated and enjoying a great sex life, 'kay? I read Belle's book and was struck by the way that not once does she actually mention, you know, whether SHE enjoys the sex.

And someone who enjoys getting beaten is most definitely hugely screwed up (in the book one of Belle's clients pays to hit her).

And someone who enjoys getting beaten is most definitely hugely screwed up (in the book one of Belle's clients pays to hit her).

I beg your pardon? I, and my partner, and at least some of Figleaf's readers enjoy getting beaten. Many of us are perfectly ordinary, psychologically healthy people with no history of abuse. (Some of us have been abused, but hey, it's been known to happen to people who don't enjoy getting beaten as well.)

Also, if she never mentions whether she enjoys the sex, how do you know she enjoys getting beaten?

Kochanie said

Hey, P. Burke,

The F-Word has posted an article by Kit Roskelly entitled Kink 101. Since you are an active practitioner of the art of pleasure and pain, I look forward to reading what you think about the article. If you have time to respond, I'll try to create a separate post linking to the F-Word, rather than allow your thoughts to languish in the comments here.

Unfortunately, I am not an active practitioner of BDSM. All I do is torture myself with worry.

And the ReCaptcha chorus sings, Le Harness.

Kochanie, thank you for the link and the suggestion for a post (also, sorry for being so slow to respond; I've been organizing a conference so this week has been full of the caterer this and the annoyed speaker that). I'll have a response for you in 25 hours.

ReCapcha says "naivite his", which might be an interesting plot point in Le Harness.

[You are most welcome, P. Burke. Good luck with the conference! -- Kochanie]

Kit Roskelly has a "Kink 101" article up at RH Reality Check. The article is pitched at the perfect level for feminists who are concerned, but not deadset-convinced, that BDSM violates feminist principles. If you're kinky, feminist, and sick to death of having to argue about this issue, Roskelly's article is not for you. But if you're on the fence, it's worth checking out.

I'm not a kink expert by any means; I just like to whack my boyfriend with things, like to be whacked with things, and have attended a few kink events. Most of what Roskelly says strikes me as true and helpful; I especially like "feminism should not have a prescriptive stance on female sexuality" and "Consent is an absolute requirement of sexual interaction". You could nitpick about the safewords (you don't need to say 'red light' if you have some other way of communicating that things are going really really wrong, and you should probably agree on a safe tap before anybody stuffs anything in anybody else's mouth) but the basic idea of safewords is pretty sound. Both partners need a way to say, "stop" and be taken seriously.

I have one substantive criticism of Roskelly's article. (This criticism is not new. Trinityva, who writes at SM Feminist and The Strangest Alchemy, has made this point repeatedly; my favorites are here and here.) Twice in her article, Roskelly urges kinky feminists to be mindful of the social context in which their desires arise. But what does mindfulness entail, exactly? Are we supposed to seek the reasons for our kinky fantasies and desires? At this point, I don't think anybody really knows what causes people to have one set of sexual tastes rather than another. And if you did know what caused your sexual desires, what would you do with that information? Learning that your rape fantasies are the result of childhood trauma wouldn't necessarily eliminate your rape fantasies.

There are things in the neighborhood to be mindful of. Are you really satisfied by the kinky sex you're having, or are you doing it because you feel pressured? (And being in the dominant role doesn't mean that you're necessarily satisfied by the sex; submissive people can be very good at manipulating their partners into indulging fetishes they don't really get off on, in a way that's not reciprocal. Bitchy Jones' kinky sexism category has a depressingly large number of examples.) It's also a good idea to reflect on how your expression of your desires affects other people. Does the person next to you faint at the idea of needles? If so, it's not very respectful to play with needles right in front of them. Does the event you're organizing have pictures of naked women, and only women, on the walls? If so, you may be alienating some of the women who attend. In my experience, BDSM people are already more mindful about this stuff than average, but extra reminders never hurt.

I'm on board with mindfulness if it's meant to apply to actions. But what's inside your head is yours. I don't think feminism, or any other political position, has a claim on your fantasies.

[Hey, P! Wonderful comment and I think it's great that Kochanie plans to turn it into a separate/guest post. (I'd have offered if she hadn't.) My take on the "mindfulness" question is that, well, first of all I think mindfulness is always a good idea. But secondly I think it means not just that other people shouldn't feel like *automatically* freaking out when they see, say, stripes on someone's ass in the dressing room then neither should *we* freak out if those same stripes trigger someone who associates stripes not with consensual sex but, say, parental assault. Know what I mean? It's not saying "eww, don't do anything that might trigger someone," and it *certainly* doesn't mean "don't do anything that, if practiced non-enthusiastically in abusive and/or coercive environments, would look like assault." Instead it's more like being mindful means proactively *providing context* to onlookers so they can distinguish what one and one's partners enjoy from what other people fear or dread. An example, by the way. Because of my youth as a bartender in a fairly rough bar I get, well, triggered by gunplay. So when I went to college on the other side of the continent I wasn't expecting any actual gun *play* on campus. But one afternoon I was hanging out on a 3rd-floor activity-center balcony and a woman just beneath me shrieked "you son of a bitch," reached into her purse, pulled out and aimed a pistol at another person and pulled the trigger. And then turned and aimed at another passerby. It turned out she'd gotten the gun from the theater props department and she and her friends were clowning around. I, on the other hand, found myself with a large concrete flower pot in my hands, over the edge of the balcony and aiming at her head, and only seconds from crushing her dead, dead, dead with it. Dead! And her friend got up. So! How to process that? Was she perfectly in her right to play her scene on campus? Sure! How about my terrifyingly near-fatal unprepared reflex? Yikes! I had the shivers for days over that -- not just "I could have killed her if I hadn't hesitated" but also "If it had been real she would have killed her next victim because I hesitated." And either way I don't know what I would have said. So *that's* what I think about when I hear someone say "triggering." And mitigating that kind of conundrum is what I think Roskelly has in mind when she suggests mindfulness. Cool, cool, post, P! --fl]

Thanks, figleaf, that makes a lot of sense. I just let Roskelly know about my post (I know, I am damnably slow this week!), so if we're lucky, she'll come by to argue and/or clarify.

[Well, I hope it's not to argue. Or not any more than I'd argue with you anyway. (I really should have posted my remarks as a comment on your guest post.) Anyhow, like Kochanie, I've always appreciated your comments *and* I've missed your posts at your old blog. So *if* you're into it your guest posts are always welcome here. So thanks! --fl]

Whoops, "RH Reality Check" should be replaced with "The F-Word" in the comment that's being held for moderation. I hit a rubber neuron there. ("Rubber neuron? I hardly know her!" Anyway.)

[Rubber neuron? Only if introduced by a mutual friend. ;-)]

Eurosabra said

Ha. Absolutely NONE of you picked up on the fact that the man is trapped in a kind of learned helplessness sufficient to cause him to discount his own agency ("that lack of capitalization, that tender 'y'") such that he BEGS for sex, even from a pro he's paying. While I am tempted to read fl's "no-sex" posts as meaning "A bit more asking instead of assuming 'no' would go a long way", this is a perfect illustration of the sort of active anticipation of rejection that can poison the asking in the first place. And I don't REALLY know what to do about this, the BEST illustration of the paradigm fl has uncovered to date, if the assembled readership look at it and see "male entitlement" once again.

[Well, the whole "active anticipation of rejection" is the paradigm in a nutshell -- *he's* in charge of the "no." In fact, I've argued elsewhere, men sometimes behave as if they're *entitled* to no, considering how hard we'll often push things to we get one, and how hard we often come down on women who fail to provide one. Thanks, ES. --fl]

Right, but women taught me that aggressive asking got "No" as a response, unless my overall presentation as a "dominant male" could back that up, and passive-aggressive asking got "No" as a response, leading to the kind of double-bind he's trapped in. People heal their and your cognitive dissonance about your requests by NOT giving you what you want--even if or especially if they want it too--which is why pick-up emphasizes both mirroring and congruence--mirroring to get you into "their world" and congruence to convince them you are serious about the benefits of a mutual exchange.

In my teenage years I had a lot of women passively-aggressively "go limp" because they didn't want to own their desire, and they were disappointed that I didn't push the issue. Now I'm stuck in such a passionless well of over-analyzing--because I'm looking for signs that aren't there much of the time--that I need the clarity of signaling that can only come from women who believe themselves to be introverts, and consequently overcompensate.

[Thanks, ES. --fl]

Kochanie said

Thank you, P. Burke. I will make your comment into a post, as soon as I can clean up the links which refused to cooperate when I tried to copy them. So excuse me while I go spank some codes.

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