[This post crystallizes for me an age-related structural gender issue that seems pretty critical but I haven’t seen it discussed much. :-) —fl]
Last week Ezra Klein raised one of those hidden-in-plain-sight issues that I think are barkingly critical to understanding contemporary gender dynamics.
Folks might remember this rather startling map that criss-crossed the internet a few months ago. Using Census Survey data, it purported to show the imbalance in singles of both genders across the country. The East Coast, it turned out, was full of lonesome ladies. The West Coast was packed with unhappy bachelors. Folks had some methodological questions, but most read the map and moved on, or read the map and moved to a city with more hot, hot, singles action.
But Great American Jonathan Soma decided to dig into the numbers and make a more manipulable map. And the main variable he let you manipulate was age. The original map counted all singles between the ages of 20 and 64. The new map lets you screw with some sliders for a data range. And the results are fascinating. On the young end of the spectrum, single men outnumber single women just about everywhere. If you hold the ages to 20-34, DC, for instance, has 27 extra single men for every 1,000 people. Shift the slider so it tracks folks from age 45 to 60, and DC has 48 more single women for every 1,000 folks.
The reason for this, basically, is that women marry younger. About 1/3rd of women are married by age 24. Only 1/5th of men are. That creates some imbalance.

Click to see the full comic. The syndicated cartoonist Vic Lee addresses the same issue in today’s Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
If you can’t make it out the comic is set in a restaurant. In center frame two women are sharing a toast. Behind them an angry older man exclaims to the similarly shocked woman at his table “No! It’s wrong! We’ve got to fight for traditional marriage.” At the next table a hip young man is whispering to his partner “Same-sex Issues?” She whispers back “No, same age!”
Ouch! Now there’s an unspoken taboo!
I’m pretty sure, by the way, that to the probably-substantial extent traditional gender values are involved this one is not unilaterally imposed by men. For instance if I hear one more single woman refer to their younger partner as “my 25-year-old” or, for that matter, a younger man refer to a prospective date as a “cougar” I may use intemperate language. (And duh, it already bugged me when similarly gendered language goes the other way.)
And yes, I’m aware that differential maturity rates among early-adolescent girls and boys establishes something of a gradient very early on. But here’s the deal: that gradient tends to disappear around, oh, say, age 18 — the age, coincidentally, when a blog called “real adult sex” would consider an appropriate age for folks to start having, well, real adult sex! But I digress…
If I hadn’t been thinking a lot about this I might have just left it at something like “gee, it’s just so inefficient this way — single 40-year-old women and unattached 20-year-old men should just start hooking up more often.” I’d have even had both statistical justification (marriages where the male partner is younger tend to be far more durable than other age-related pairings) or personal/anecdotal (if my dad’s parents had stuck with older-man/younger-woman then he wouldn’t be here and neither would I.) And there’s the business about how (at least for now) men tend to die before their partners and so it’s inefficient, dumb, and even self-defeatingly tragic for women to prefer older partners. I could even have dragged out examples of “other cultures” and, of course, the old saw about “sexual peaks.” A bit more recently I might have dragged out bits about patriarchy naturally favoring economically-advantaged older men and younger women with a system pitched against economical autonomy just seeing which side the bread is buttered on. And if (flying-spaghetti monster forfend) I was an ev-psych fan I’d blather about men’s preference for firm boobs and women’s preference for “proven providers…” as if most pre-modern economic and agricultural production world-wide
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that. Whatever.
Instead I’ll just say we gotta start talking about this gendered age gradient. I’m obviously not saying we should start carding couples for their birth years — not only would that be counterproductive at any point it would also be premature. But! If we don’t start looking at it we’re going to continue looking at more than a lot of lonely people of different ages sitting on different coasts.
Look at relative pay differences between men and women, to name just one. We’re so used to looking at comparable pay — how as in the Ledbetter case female manager X was systematically paid less than male managers performing the same work. Chances are looking pretty good right now that the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act will be passed by the next Congress and signed by the next President. Cool, right? Well, sure! But that’s comparative pay.
But what about relative, internal-to-relationship income and experience when by tradition and, evidently, statistical preference of both parties consistently gives the male partner a three to five year jump on the female partner?
In the outside world they can both be earning amounts comparable to peers of both genders, but when it comes to decisions at home about who brings home more money, which career moves… or even geographic ones… should take precedent, and who the family can most afford to stay home with pre-school children a bias towards… whoever has the more established career and income is going to carry a lot of weight. No matter who does most of the dishes on a daily basis. And don’t forget that whoever stays home with new children (usually the lower-earning-power member) is set back all the further.
I’ve mentioned elsewhere that aggregate personal choices of partner grossly exaggerate perceptions of differences in height, strength, horniness, or whatever compared to actual averages. For instance there’s far, far, far more overlap in average men’s and women’s heights than in relative heights between hetero partners. Well, in the same way a persistent bias for younger, and therefore on-average lower-earning women partnering with older, and therefore longer-in-the-workplace men will tend to perpetuate gendered economic differences no matter how egalitarian society becomes at large.
Since one of the precepts of radical feminism is that imbalances in domestic heterosexual relationship is the template for all other forms of oppression (one reason why the old-timers kept saying “the personal is the political”) averaging the economic playing field may not create as much egalitarianism as projections of aggregate equality might lead us to expect.
So.
I’m not exactly sure how we’re going to overturn both the one-way Hugh Hefner/Maureen Dowd gender/age template. Which is ok — there are lots of ways to get there. But I will say, rather bluntly, that gender relations are going to plateau below parity until we start seeing more truly random age mixing between gendered couples.
[While all this is a new idea to me it must have been discussed by others earlier. Therefore I’ll welcome pointers to references in comments. Thanks in advance. —fl]
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Random Note: Despite the charts Ezra Klein linked to it’s not necessary to just hookup surpluses of 20-something west-coast men with 40-something east-coast women. Almost all couples are just a few years apart and I’m guessing under any optimal solution that would still be true after the gendered age gradient collapsed. (Unlike, say, Hugo Schwyzer, I don’t think larger age gaps are necessarily a problem… again, as long as they trend gender-random as well.)
Random Note: Makes me wonder about the trend where “red-state” people both begin sex and get married much younger than “blue states”... and consequently blue-state people have more stable marriages and way lower divorce rates. [Update: Doh! Corrected typo in the previous sentence implying that red-state people were better off. —fl]
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See also
- “Cougers,” Entitlement, and Unexamined Bias – Sexism? Ask me (out)




Submitted by 2478 (not verified) on Thu, 2008-10-30 16:50.
At my age spectrum I do have bias to excluded older men as do men, not that it matters at all, because neither older or younger consider someone my age.
[Yeah, we gotta work on that too. Thanks, Five. --fl]
Submitted by 2478 (not verified) on Thu, 2008-10-30 20:14.
This issue worries me. I'm nervous about becoming invisible when I get older, not just to men, but to everybody.
My partner is both older than me and further along in his career, and I worry about that. He's been pretty accommodating so far, and we don't want kids (or rather, I don't want kids and he accepts that), so it's not as bad as it could be. But if I ever have to do it over again, I'm going to be a lot more strategic.
[Yup. I think I first became aware of it reading mysteries by Dorothy L. Sayers. One of the detectives hired middle-age women for both research and, I think, legwork because they tended to be extremely competent and almost always ignored. Having always understood that I myself would one day be middle-aged I became pretty sympathetic to the proposition. And of course now that I *am* middle-aged I recognize how easy it is and what a mistake it is to overlook other people my age and older. The only conceivable excuse is that we ourselves ignored the 40+ when we were young. Thanks, P. --fl]
Submitted by 2478 (not verified) on Thu, 2008-10-30 21:13.
I think you need to fix that last sentence - surely red state people don't really have more stable marriages because they have sex and marry younger?
[Thanks for the heads-up Lynn. I corrected the typo. (Also, yikes!) --fl]
Submitted by 2478 (not verified) on Sat, 2008-11-01 03:41.
My last relationship convinced me that the ¨older man, younger woman¨ preference is not just about money and sex. My last partner was 6 years older than me. However, I have as much, if not more life experience than he had and more sexual experience. I have had more partners and a diversity of partners (different types of people, people from different cultures, etc.) We had a wonderful sex life. He was insecure and intimidated at first. However, once we got used to each other and felt comfortable with it each other, it was amazing.
The problem was difference in emotional maturity and worldly/life experience. He couldn't manipulate me like he could women with less relationship experience. He couldn't impress me with his knowledge, travels or experience like he could impress a woman who had traveled less, read less or simply revered men for being smarter and more experienced. There wasn't much for him to teach me and I didn't need him to provide for me. I am secure in myself and make active decisions. All of this, at the same time, attracked him to me and made him feel unbelievably insecure. He felt that he had to be able to impress me or teach me things for me to want to be with him.
My point is just to illustrate some of the very real emotional factors that go into and maintain the "older man/ younger woman" preference.
[I loved your illustrations, Christina. I'm obviously not saying everyone should add "matching experience, income, blah-blah-blah" to all the other criteria we already have. I'm more saying we need to *drop* a few criteria. Also when I say "we" I mean *we,* all of us. It sounds like it might have been hard on your partner that he *didn't* have things to teach you or whatever. And I was triggered in part by memories of a few women friends who deprecated their partners for having fewer experiences, lower income, younger age, or whatever. So "we" means them too. But the thing is that *both* those feelings -- insecurity in men and dismissal in women -- are, I think, *really* big... and maybe mutually-reinforcing... obstacles to the traditional gender gradient. And I think that gender gradient is really, *really* important to tackle. Thanks. --fl]
Submitted by 2478 (not verified) on Sat, 2008-11-01 20:53.
That insecurity doesn't need an age difference to pop up and you certainly need not be a man to be afflicted by it. I was married to a man who has traveled all over the world, sometimes completely alone. He's handsome, incredibly talented and smart and makes the money you'd expect someone with that combination of attributes to make. He's as confident as one can be without tipping over into arrogance. He makes and keeps friends easily and has always had a robust, active social life.
I never felt as if I could teach him anything or bring anything new into his life because he'd already done and seen and knew so much. It wasn't until he'd divorced me and gotten involved with someone else that I realized that for a long time I'd felt essentially useless in the relationship because he didn't need me for anything.
Boy, that all sounds woeful, doesn't it? The point I was trying to make was that the insecurity that comes from feeling like an inadequate "equal" isn't just a product of falling short of the expectations that men are saddled with.
[Agreed, tlt. Past some certain point a partner can be so ahead of the curve it can be stultifying rather than exhilarating. There's not much we can do about it either. What I *do* want to do something about is tackle the expectation... and in some circles the *desirability* that your ex would have known more than you. Instead I'm hoping we can do something such that when you have those conversations the people most likely to commiserate with you are evenly mixed genderwise. Thanks. --fl]
Submitted by 2478 (not verified) on Sun, 2008-11-02 10:44.
Interesting. Well argued, and yes, the preference for the guy being older is most definitely patriarchal.
And yeah, I think the personal is political.
What you say about the career/ earnings thing is so right, if the woman is younger and earns less it would seem rational that she stays at home and I've heard this justification used a lot. And yes, then she's set back even more.
And some sexist morons then argue 'but women aren't interested in careers' and 'men need to upport their families', er, did they ever consider why that is?
One small thing - I *do* think men are less mature than women are, well into our 20s. Research shows that the brain is still developing until the age of 25.
Not that some of it isn't young men being socialised to be 'lads' (I'm from the UK, but if I'm correct 'lads' is much the same as your 'frat boys' and 'dudes'.) while young women are socialised to be more adult and responsible. I'm 28 and certainly find most guys of my age and a bit younger very immature and vapid.
Although as Christina and tlt point out, life experience is important too; maturity is not just chronological age.
[Hi Butteflywings, thanks for dropping by. I think your last point really helps mitigate a lot of your earlier ones. Ironically I think (adult) men might mature a little earlier if we didn't have the expectation of winding up with younger, less-experienced partners. I'm a big fan of believing people in general, and men in particular, tend to rise only to what's expected of them. I could be wrong but in this case I don't think it would hurt to try and find out. --fl]