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[Note: Big update below — I originally, and possibly shamefully, looked at only one side of the question. —fl]
Matisse of Mistress Matisse’s Journal answers a question from a reader. Her answer’s spot on.
“...my best friend is actually a very beautiful lesbian with whom I have a lot of chemistry, but who obviously would never have sex with me. She is a very materialistic girl, and I’ve found that nothing makes me happier than to make her happy and to talk to her. I actually don’t even like pursuing straight girls anymore because I’m intrigued by how she makes me feel. And of course, the fact that she’s unavailable makes her more tantalizing, but that’s one of the things I want to understand.”
if you’re just asking for my opinion in general, I’d say that just based on the situation you’re describing… you’re an emotional masochist. And that’s not a good thing.
That’s not a real psychological term, of course, and it’s not a BDSM term, either. But you’re engaging in an unrequited love/lust thing with a bitchy-but-beautiful lesbian who doesn’t return your feelings. You imply that you’re giving her money or gifts or something? And you’re not even trying to find a woman who might love you back? I call that emotional masochism, my friend. I will bet you any amount of money that the situation you’re describing is not going to end in you being happy and getting what you want.
Given my fondness for my theory that men indoctrinate ourselves to perceive women as the“no-sex” class, the dominant paradigm wherein women are perceived as disinterested in sex… and therefore fair game for any and all attempts to leverage it out of them, either in exchange for something else or, sometimes, by brute force. I ought to nominate Matisse’s correspondent as a classic case since he’s constructed an attraction wherein pretty much anything he does isn’t going to work. Or, if for some reason she every says yes, that he can consider the ultimate “score” of his efforts to be “worthy” enough for her. And if he had a really bad case of it then it would also make sense that a woman who was interested in him (for instance, um, isn’t a lesbian for crying out loud?) might seem too “easy” and therefore not “worthy” of his attention.
The real clue for me? He says “I actually don’t even like pursuing straight girls anymore because I’m intrigued by how she makes me feel.” Because, you know, if it was personal — just her — then you’d expect him to say something like “I don’t feel like pursuing any other girls because of how she makes me feel.” Instead the schematic qualification of “straight girls” i.e. “women actually likely to be interested in him.”
But I dunno… if I knew more than what she wrote I might be more sure. It’s also the case that a lot of people — men and women — get “imprinted“ duckling-style on one particular characteristic of their first major crush or first serious partner and then keep cycling deeper and deeper trying to recapture that feeling. Or possibly he, like more men than I think people recognize, finds obsession with an unachievable potential partner is a convenient way to avoid sexual relationships altogether. Who knows?
I do have to say Matisse is right, though, that since his dynamic with this woman really isn’t satisfiable, and since if he pursues it or something like it really does subject himself not so much to domination but abuse, he really should consider a little talk therapy to clarify for himself what’s going on.
Update: Doh! I need to get out of the house a little more often I guess. After getting the children off to school this morning I took a long walk home. Thinking about the situation I outlined last night I realized I’d been thinking way too much in terms of the letter writer and how his affectation… well… affects him. Upon reflection it occurs to me that what he really needs to get off his affection/obsession is the effect it has on the women or women he’s decided to impossibly dream about.
My only excuse is one I mentioned last night: I only know what he wrote... in other words we only know his side of the story. And inside his framing then yeah, he’s parked himself in.
We don’t know her side, however. He sees her as his best friend. Is this how she sees him? He sees her as “materialist” and any acts he performs or gifts he brings as making himself happy by making her happy. Does she see herself as materialist? Is she happy when he thinks she’s happy? He talks about wanting to be the controlled submissive in a full-time D/s withholding relationship with her. Does she see him as wanting to be controlled or as already controlling?
Again, I dunno. Since we only have his side of his story we can’t know, eh?
In the extreme case she may see him as a stalker, in which case, considering how miserable unsuccessful things like restraining orders are (“wow, now she’s really playing hard to get”) talk therapy would really, really be good idea! (And if not talk therapy then more drastic interventions would be entirely called for — my experience of the aftermaths of “successful” stalkers and their survivors is that it’s the epitome of senseless tragedy.)
But a deeper lesson might be learned if he isn’t a stalker and is instead just really sunk in the worthiness trap. Because what the ordinary supplicant sees only as striving for worthiness often appears to others as entitlement. And the suitor’s expressions of frustration? More entitlement? And why not — after all who’s usually setting the terms? “If I only do this she’ll realize…” or “Maybe if I help her move…” or even “if she only knew how I felt about her she’d…” are all setting the terms, and reward that one believes “should” slay the dragon of indifference and “earn” the longed-for kiss.
Getting back to the “no-sex” class paradigm one can see how actual women’s agency or genuine desire beyond “yes or no” would only interfere with or even frustrate the internal cycles of the male worthiness trap.
One hopes talk therapy helps with that too.




Submitted by 2479 (not verified) on Fri, 2008-10-31 09:18.
Imprinted with the first sexual/sensual experience eh?
Hmmm...I suppose there is some of that in a person's psyche. But I don't think it rules the day in a very self aware person. It simply becomes an urge, that could be followed or not.
I think that there are some things that are a part of a person's nature and that sexuality is an extension of soul. I think that these naturally give rise to a particular flow of erotisism.
Now, there is sexual assault in my history. It wasn't the absolute first sexual experience I had, but it was among the early ones.
I choose to not have abusive relationships. But I do so very much like bdsm. One might say that I am repeating a pattern in that. I think its a part of my nature though. I had fantasies of aggressive sex earlier than I experienced abuse...
Other very early experiences were always with a boy that was somehow just a little bit aloof and just a little bit unavailable because of distance or personality or rules...all reflective of a military and emotionally aloof father.
That pattern is still present in my life. But it is still my choice about whether it continues.
I think that sexuality always reflects our inner most opinions of ourselves. It is also an expression of our joys and passions about life in general. I believe that if a person is going to be happy, their whole life will be seamless in expressing the deep soulfulness inside them. SExuality is just one part of that continuum.
[Hey Greenwoman. The "imprinting" line may have been a bit misleading here in the sense that, while I think first *chosen* erotic partner (not necessarily the first specific experience) *can* have an influence on future choices it's also likely that we're already lean towards people with those characteristics. I also think we can form ideals about what we want in a partner and keep pushing in one dimension trying to get "that" feeling (whatever "that" is) when it might not be realistic. And finally, I'm obviously totally fine about BDSM inclinations (as is, even more obviously, Matisse.) The red flag for this particular individual isn't that he wants to be someone's slave, it's that he wants it with someone who at least based on the evidence doesn't seem available to him for sexual *partnership.* (I suspect if she was into, say, denial as much as he says he's into being denied he wouldn't have needed to write a columnist for advice.) Thanks! --fl
Submitted by 2479 (not verified) on Sat, 2008-11-01 09:17.
When I was in younger, I tended to fixate for a long time (months, a year) on one after another person who didn't return my interest. For me, part of the appeal was that the big drama time of a non-relationship - the time when I'm going through ups and downs and getting too distracted to do the other stuff I want to do well - is when I don't know yet whether the other person likes me back. If I've already settled that someone isn't willing to go out with me, but that person's still OK with me hanging around and being infatuated, then it's lower drama, and I postpone the stress of trying again.
Of course, if the other person isn't OK with you hanging around and being infatuated, then you should withdraw. In my experience, some people want you to back off, and some people are OK being admired and not returning the admiration. (And at least one person, in retrospect, probably really would have slept with me, but I don't feel real regret that we wound up having a good "platonic" friendship instead.)
Agree that how bad this case is depends a lot on what her side of the story is.
[Yeah, I can see the advantage for the infatuated party. I'm not sure it's that great for the apples of their eye though. And there's the issue where, when said object of affection finds someone *else.* Then what? (The answer is it can be extremely ugly.) Thanks, Lynn. --fl]
Submitted by 2479 (not verified) on Sat, 2008-11-01 19:02.
That's tricky in the more general case, because a lot depends on just what the apple is doing to discourage the infatuation. Some of the apples of my eye didn't do much more to discourage my infatuation than just not making an actual move (which can suffice for unavailability if the person hanging around you infatuated is an introverted woman), and one actually avoided telling me about the long distance girl friend when it would have been easy to bring her up. Still, saying outright that you're a lesbian really ought to be enough; I think lesbians who still want men romantically pining for them after they've outed themselves are few and far between.
Probably a lot of the time the apple of their eye is just trying too hard to be nice, rather than really wanting the attention (and that might well have been the case for me, too, but, hard to know since there often wasn't a particularly plain conversation on either side).
I suspect this woman would probably be just fine with giving up both the gifts and the attention, and that, painful though it is for him, he's getting more out of it than she is.
[Yup, whether she likes it, doesn't like it, or is completely oblivious is uncertain, which is why Matisse's answer aimed at helping *him* was appropriate. But having failed to notice to stalkers only minutes (in one case, we rode the same bus to campus) and hours (in another, an office intern I'd been assigned to train) before they murdered their victims (the object of their obsession in one case, the partner of the object of affection in the second) I'm uncomfortable accepting only his interpretation. Thanks, Lynn. --fl]