Men, Women, Monogamy and "Cheating"

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Em and Lo of Daily Bedpost have a nice Q&A feature where they ask three different men, usually a single straight man, a single straight man, and a committed gay man, for their take on a question. Their take on the question "Do you think guys cheat more than women?" was pretty interesting.

The straight single respondent, "Max," said men are just lousier than women. Also, succumbing the dominant women as the "no-sex" class ideology, he adds

A girl, on the other hand, is more likely to be satisfied with the attention and flirtation alone. She doesn't NEED the physical confirmation to get an ego boost.

Read all about it here.

"Matt," the straight married respondent, also bashes men, blaming what he sees as more cheating as a result of poor impulse control. He also says "variety is a more constant drive" for men. Also, without considering, say, this point by Audacia Ray he says (emphasis mine)

They would sleep with someone different every day--maybe even several times a day. I just don't believe that would be appealing to most women over the long term. (I'm not talking about on occasion here, I mean different partners every day, for years. If you offered women the choice between that and a daily massage, they'd take the massage.)

And, getting closer to what I think the real answer might be, adds

This inherent desire for variety is a constantly suppressed impulse for pretty much every guy I know--even the ones who would never, ever stray.

Hmm... really? Wonder if anyone besides men has to spend time suppressing impulses?

Finally, though, "Terrence," the gay committed man, brings up the most interesting points. (Emphasis also mine.)

Do men cheat more than women? My intuition is screaming yes. But I also think our perception of men as cheaters feeds their cheating behavior -- which is another column entirely.

...

[I]f we've got to look at it in absolutes, then I believe yes, technically, men cheat more than women. But with life's continuous chaos and change, I'd rather stick with a partner who may have some random shags here and there if he's consistently emotionally monogamous with me.

Actually I'm with Terrence on the cheating question. Sure, men cheat at... rates only a little bit higher than the rates women cheat.

What's the difference then? Why do men (at least Euro/Anglo men) get the label? I think Terence touches on that but doesn't land square.

There are any number of kinds of intimate relationships where sex isn't involved at all. Think lifelong platonic friendships, family ties, and partnerships in intensely competitive and/or adventurous environments. Conversely, sad to say, in many monogamous relationships the partners themselves can be quite distant from each other.

What (heterosexual) monogamy *does* have going for it is a guarantee that men's family's property will be inherited by the "right" person's offspring. For most of the history of marriage, in virtually all history-leaving cultures, that's been the biggest consideration behind virginity, abstinence, fidelity, and monogamy. (Compare the meanings of the words "adultery" and "adulterated" for instance.)

Anyway, in cultures where men and their families have tended to control economics, and where it matters to their families that offspring really is "theirs," and where women have been kept completely economically and even legally dependent on men (even here their fathers "give them away" to their husbands at wedding, remember, a vestige of what used to be cold, hard, Common-Law legal truth) the deck has been substantially stacked against *women* who cheat (stoning, anyone?) and... stacked pretty flipping indifferently against men who do.

Anyway, since the rules of monogamy were initially created to protect men's interest in women as their *property* ("thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife... no his house nor *cattle* nor any *thing* that is thy neighbor's!) you'd sort of expect to see two things: first, that men wouldn't see much wrong with collecting a little extra "property," or even that they'd judge each other's status by how much "property" they could accumulate (unless, of course, they were married to that "property" in which case it would be "theft.") And second that as the metaphorical, and sometimes *real* property even when women did cheat they'd have to be a lot more circumspect -- the consequences, at least of being *caught,* (stoning, divorced, faced with raising children on their own) have tended to be way, way, way higher for them.

Anyway, I think all that adds up to explain why men have the greater reputation for cheating... and the statistically significant but not *that* much higher actual *rate* of cheating than women. A difference, by the way, that's therefore more cultural and not nearly as "natural" as Matt and Max suggest. Take away those cultural different consequences, and throw in more legal and economic parity, and I'm pretty sure the statistical difference largely disappears, with men not feeling sex with multiple partners is a *status* builder, and women not seeing fewer partners as a survival mechanism.

I happen to think, by the way, that if we could get closer to real economic, social, and legal parity we'd wind up with Terence's position: perhaps a little more sexual "cheating" (which might not even be considered *cheating*) but a lot more room for intimate and *emotionally* monogamous *partnerships* inside relationships.

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Sucre Bebe said

I have often thought that more men cheat as seen in numbers but when it comes to women, it is less by numbers. However those that do, cheat with more than one man.

[I don't have any statistics links at hand, and my memories of breakouts beyond the top-level numbers is too vague to trust, Anyway while the overall numbers vary from survey to survey (a lot seems to depend on how questionnaires are structured) there's a pretty consistent and not *that* large gap (ten points or less) between men and women. Thanks, SB. --fl]

I'm not talking about on occasion here, I mean different partners every day, for years. If you offered women the choice between that and a daily massage, they'd take the massage.

I'm not convinced that men really want multiple partners a day, every day, for years. Oh, they may want to fantasize about such, and a few men might even choose such, given the opportunity, but, even among gay men, who aren't limited by women's libidos, lots and lots of men don't have a different partner every day for years, let alone multiple partners every day for years.

Still, as one of the women who would take the daily massage over that particular option - well, duh, of course I'd take the daily massage. Someone offering a daily massage is probably someone willing to take at least a little bit of time to please me. Multiple new men that I've never met before, every day, are guaranteed to include a fair number of men who aren't going to take much time to please me, and who really wants lots of bad sex? Even if I were willing to cheat, I'd want to size the guy up enough first to at least get good sex along my heavy portion of guilt and shame.

[Interesting. I think I assumed more parallels in the example, where if the choice was impersonal sex the alternative would be impersonal massage, not impersonal sex vs. personal massage. But yeah, even then it's clear that the masseuse would be there for you-the-recipient, much as the male fantasy seems to be the sex partner would be there for them-the-recipient as well. Even back when I had multiple partners I almost never had sex with different partners on consecutive days, and certainly not day after day. On the other hand (I used to know a lot of massage-school students) I *have* had daily massages day after day. And to be honest, as with the male fantasy of endless sex partners, daily massage also sounds better on paper than it is in practice. In other words when you're not getting any (massages) the fantasy of many is more like overcompensation than what one typically winds up enjoying when you actually get there. So yeah, I agree most men would quickly tire of multiple partners as well. Even taking into consideration the "running up the score" business. Back before he went into politics Ronald Reagan is supposed to have said he gave up promiscuity when (something like) "I got tired of never knowing who I was waking up next to." Hard to imagine when sexual scarcity is part of the paradigm but I'm pretty sure that's a fairly common experience. Thanks, Lynn. --fl]

Sucre Bebe said

You are welcome, FL. I cannot prove it but there is some lying going on with our participants of both genders. But such is life...

I just saw a special on History that talked of the truly different way the male and female brain react to orgasm. Men get it get but women get it and hit in the frontal lobe and it also can put them to sleep.

I think there is a tendency for women to want more of a bond in their dalliance, which is short-lived for guys. Just doesn't 'hit' them the same way...

[I agree that orgasms affect different parts of the brain, and even follow somewhat different nerve pathways, in men and women. (When I say "men and women are mostly the same I don't mean we're *exactly* the same.) But I still think the intimacy/distance business has a large social component -- sort of like "boys don't cry," except in some cultures, including, oh, say, the ultra-manly Greeks of the Iliad and Odyssey there's no inhibition about crying at all. Thanks, SB. --fl]

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