On Geeks, Kinks, and "Real" Vanilla Flavors

Tue, 2009-05-12 11:19

It’s really annoying, and patronizing, and counterproductive to refer to sexually aware people who don’t drool down other people’s blouses (without a negotiated invitation anyway) as “sex geeks.” Or geeks, period.

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Which gets to something Ghostorchid said about “vanilla” vs. “kink” approaches to sex in comments to Miriam Perez’s post at Feministing

I feel like there’s sometimes a tendency in the alt.sex and sex blogger scene where it’s “all kinks respected” but it’s okay to make little jokes about “vanilla” or to imply that more conventional folks would benefit from “more creativity” and “exploring” and whatnot. There’s this tiny assumption that they’re a little repressed, playing on the safe side, or missing out.

I also feel like there’s an assumption that trickles around in alt sex communities that the alt sex scene is the “healthier, better alternative”, when it’s really just as great and as screwed up as every other scene. I get frequently told I should try more kink stuff by people who don’t understand or can’t believe that I’ve had horrible experiences in the kink scene. They insist I was just with the wrong people, although I was surrounded by radical self-identified feminist types who departed feeling like they’d exhibited great sexual politics while I felt sad and betrayed and erased. It’s as though alt.sex and kink is the cure-all to sexual power issues.

She said it here.

Before I go anywhere else with this I want to acknowledge Orchid Ghost’s unhappy experiences. They’re way too common in kink where, unfortunately, the “smartest people in the room” effect — where it’s assumed that if we’re doing it we must be doing it right so if you don’t like it you must be doing something wrong — can be as common as anywhere else something new or unfamiliar is practiced. There’s also the plain old ordinary fact that players and users are as likely to attach themselves to sexual advocacy groups as anywhere else (in non-sexual terms see eternal attempts by “young socialist” and “anarchist” groups to hijack or subvert social-organizing and protest movements.) And finally, like any other complex skill involving technology, emotions, and/or body fluids, it’s easy for beginners to get hurt — either by themselves or because those who are adept forget that it’s not “intuitive.” (Computer pundit John Dvorak correctly quipped that the Unix operating system is intuitive once you thoroughly understand it.)

That said…

The common assumption is that “vanilla” equals “normal” and “kink” means alternative, naughty, radical, or (especially) transgressive. Instead “vanilla” implies a patriarchal and heteronormative, reproduction-centric, penis-in-vagina-intercourse-till-male-ejaculation-focused form of sex where negotiation terminates with a woman’s “consent” to let the man proceed to “take” her as he sees fit.

Whereas “kink” tends to include any sexual activity with any combination of individuals, orientations, body parts, and sensory preferences (including the traditional “vanilla” ones) with the significant difference being that consent signals the beginning rather than the end of communication, negotiation, and shared decision-making.

That “vanilla” people think it’s “kinky” to continue negotiating after consent has been given says all anyone needs to know about why both terms are almost perfectly inappropriate and non-descriptive terms.

And returning to Orchid Ghost’s unfortunate experiences, simply calling one’s self “kinky” can be as empty as calling one’s self “sex positive” or (from back in the 1960s and 1970s) “sexually liberated.” But it is the case that “kink” has more of a framework for intentionality, negotiation, and a “principle of least surprise“ than “vanilla…” which (speaking of principle of least surprise!) can include the inherently non-consensual, non-negotiated and extraordinarily transgressive “penis in popcorn box“ stunt. Just sayin’

Update: In comments SnowdropExplodes says Dw3t-Hthr talks about being the “clean up crew” when people have been “smartest in the room“ing.

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-05-12 11:30.

Heh. Well, I tend to refer to myself sometimes as a sex geek and sometimes as a sex nerd. I also refer to myself as a (non-qualified) geek and nerd. To me both of those terms mean someone who is really passionate and interested in something, and who loves to immerse themselves in learning all about it. I don't see it as annoying at all (or else why would I identify that way!) but very positive.

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-05-12 11:42.

Two recent things (related to each other) that have covered some of this ground particularly.

Dw3t-Hthr talks about being the "clean up crew" when people have been "smartest in the room"ing.

Which was (partly?) a response to a direction the comments thread took at SM-Feminists

It's remarkable how similar the topics are on those, to what you've discussed here.

[Thanks, SE. I've promoted the link to Dw3t-Hthr's post to the main page. --fl]

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-05-12 13:09.

That's all well and good, but is that *really* how the term "kink" is actually used? It doesn't feel that way from an outsider perspective; your "common assumption," in my (again, outsider) experience, is common usage.

[More mine than theirs, but there's enough confusion among kinksters about what it really means (is it "sex positive," "bdsm," etc., does it include LGBT or as Dan Savage sometimes says can they be "vanilla," etc.) that I feel... well... if not exactly right then no more *wrong* about that being a distinguishing characteristic than anyone else. Thanks, JFP. --fl]

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-05-12 19:43.

I'm just gonna say that I really dislike the colloquialism that uses "vanilla" to mean "unflavored"? Dammit, vanilla is a flavor, and a very nice flavor indeed, especially when it involves actual vanilla beans instead of simulation. It also goes well with cinnamon and other spices, and where does that leave the vanilla/kinky either/or binary?

Sunflower

[Oh yeah! I completely agree, Sunflower. Thanks! --fl]

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-05-12 20:33.

Thank you both.

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Wed, 2009-05-13 06:52.

Definitely - as someone who uses vanilla essence (I always go for the real thing, not the fake stuff) in my baking, I am very familiar with the flavour it has. I actually think that the vanilla flavour is a very good analogy for the sexual preferences referred to as "vanilla" (I find the vanilla flavour as quite sweet and sensuous, but also "safe"), and in a way "vanilla is just another form of kink" anyway; it's just the one most people choose.

(I know that chocolate flavour is actually more popular in ice cream, but you go to an ice cream van, and the main or only flavouring of ice cream available will be vanilla)

Submitted by 2927 (not verified) on Wed, 2009-05-13 20:13.

"The form of kink most people choose" - yep. (Odd usage of the word "kink", but I don't think that's a failing on your part, SE, I think it's a symptom of unhealthy cultural attitudes towards sexual diversity - words like "kink", and for that matter "queer" [and many others, but I've had occasion lately to contemplate this in context of queerness] come up because diversity is viewed with suspicion.)

When I commented yesterday, I was thinking of it as a relatively-trivial grumble, but I've since realized it works really well with Figleaf's main point in this post: absence of any flavoring agent in ice cream (etc, but that's the usual illustration) equates to the absence of intentionality, negotiation, and communication in sex and relationships. (Imperfect analogy, since sometimes "non-vanilla" sex has strong and spicy flavoring agents but doesn't address negotiation etc well [and that loops back to the SM-Feminist/Letters from Gehenna links again!], but possibly the chemical reactions involved in making ice cream can be used to strengthen it, or maybe it just falls under "no analogy can be perfect".)

I've got a post of my own stewing about that - OTOH, it's just one of about three Figleaf-inspired posts that have elbowed their way to the top of the pile, so I can only hope I'm able to write all of them in a timely manner.

Sunflower

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