In comments to my previous post about pubic hair and prepubescence Heather Corinna said “you might also bear in mind that when it is women who are saying that, what women’s view of female genitalia most frequently is. In other words, it’s from the top down, without seeing much more than the mons and outer labia.”
Doh! My apologies for any accusations about denial.
If the way you usually look at yourself then I can see how it might look a lot more similar than it would to one’s partner. But the usual assertion is that men want women to remove pubic hair so they’ll look prepubescent. In which case literally from men’s point of view it doesn’t really work that way.
That doesn’t mean men don’t make entirely unreasonable, oppressive, squeamish, or juvenile demands on their partners. And so neither does it mean that women should reflexively comply with either requests or, especially, demands from partners or to peer pressure (to shave or to not shave or, really, anything) from anyone else.
Instead its just that time spent imagining that men want women to look prepubescent is time spent not critically deconstructing the demand as, say,
Oh, and of course,
All such analysis, though, tends to go by the wayside if people just toss up the prepubescence argument anytime the question arises. And since all of the preceding is stuff that men need to confront, and since the prepubescent thing is maybe the single reason that isn’t why men might expect or demand hair removal I think it’s counterproductive and not just mistaken to repeat it.
...But it’s itchy if I don’t!
I’d also add that I think a lot of the time, women who are talking about male desire for pre-pubescent female bodies via removal of body hair are expressing a very real feeling.
In other words, plenty of women seem to feel like they are being asked to dial their bodies back to a different age or time, or asked to present their bodies sexually in a way which may or may not feel authentic to them for who they are right now. And I don’t think we can question the validity of anyone’s emotional feelings.
I agree with you, that going right to that certainly distracts from the larger issues at hand when there are larger issues at hand: obviously we realize, I hope, when women are simply choosing to do whatever it is they want with any of the hair on their bodies, with as little pressure or prodding from anyone else as possible, there may be no issues at all.
However, I also feel like if you’re going to really look at this, you might be creating a distraction yourself when positing what it is all men want and don’t (and I have heard men with preferences for no shaving say that a lack of pubic hair DOES look pubescent to them which is why they don’t dig that, and have also heard men express that female pubic hair freaks them out, so I don’t feel it’s as unilateral or clear as it seems you do) and also in dismissing looking at why it is women can FEEL as if they’re being expected to appear prepubescent, even if that is not what they are actually being asked to do.
Know what I mean?
I’m so tired of the prepubescence argument that I pretty much tune out when someone brings it up. If someone wants to argue about hair removal with me, fine, but if they’re trying to tell me my genitals look anything like when I was a kid, they’re flat-out wrong, and yeah, I looked, and I know. There are plenty of reasons to shave or not to shave, and a lot of stuff on the anti-shaving side makes perfect sense, but that one isn’t one of them.
I check my vulva at least once or twice in the mirror every day…
I think (no, I know) I spend more time looking at it that way, than just from the top-down perspective.
I think it’s hard to make a statement that covers “why everyone likes/dislikes X.” I know guys who really like the no-hair look and ones who enjoy a full bush…it really varies. I like to operate on the policy that I like input/info from my sig o and I’m open to trying whatever sounds interesting to him and not too high maintenance or unappealing to me. It’s just hair. Like the style on your head, it can be fun to change it and it grows back. :)
The current “fad” for full shaving/waxing will have it’s day and then it’ll be something else.
Now any guy that REQUIRES a certain trim job can just keep on walking ;)
Agreeing with Heather Corinna on this one- I’ve tried shaving on my male partner’s request, and it looked and felt childish to me even though when I talked to him about it, he said his reasons didn’t have to do with wanting me to look younger but were more about the feel during oral sex. Regardless of his rationale, it feels juvenile to me and therefore uncomfortable.
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