Correcting Nate Silver's Teabagger Penis-Size-Exaggeration Makes Teabaggers Even Bigger Liars

Mon, 2009-09-14 10:56

Via Amanda Marcotte, ace political statistician Nate Silver puts the scope of exaggeration by organizers of this weekend’s teabagger rally into perspective. Organizers claim there were two million people, pretty much everyone else put the figure at closer to 60,000.

Silver uses a vivid, and funny, but unfortunately gendered analogy.

That’s not a twofold or threefold exaggeration—it’s roughly a thirtyfold exaggeration.

The way this false estimate came into being is relatively simple: Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, lied, claiming that ABC News had reported numbers of between 1.0 and 1.5 million when they never did anything of the sort. A few tweets later, the numbers had been exaggerated still further to 2 million. Kibbe wasn’t “in error”, as Malkin gently puts it. He lied. He did the equivalent of telling people that his penis is 53 inches long.

He said it here.

I’m, um, not an ace mathematician so check my figures, but there’s a hidden insult in Silver’s number that a) makes it an unfortunate gendered insult but also b) diminishes the scope of Kibbe’s lie. Short version: Kibbe’s penis would have to be 1.5 inches long for his exaggeration to equal only 53 inches. Assuming he’s of average size instead then it’s like him telling people his penis is 196 inches long! Or 16 feet!

Point by implying Kibbe has a smaller penis Silver also made him seem like less of a liar.

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Long answer, showing my work:

First, let’s do the numbers to see just how big an insult Silver has cooked up.

60,000: Consensus crowd size estimate, discarding wingnut outlier
1,000,000: First estimate claimed by FreedomWorks organizers
1,500,000: Second estimate claimed by FreedomWorks organizers
2,000,000: Further inflated estimates by unidentified tweets

1,000,000 / 60,000 = exaggeration factor 16.7
53 inches / 16.7 exaggeration factor = 3.2 inch penis-size estimate for Kibbe by Silver

1,500,000 / 60,000 = exaggeration factor 25
53 inches / 25 exaggeration factor = 2.1 inch penis-size estimate for Kibbe by Silver

2,000,000 / 60,000 = exaggeration factor 33.3
53 inches / 33.3 exaggeration factor = 1.6 inch penis-size estimate for Kibbe by Silver

Unfortunately-gendered insults aside, and assuming Silver has no direct measurements of the specific teabagging wingnuts in question, then based on average penis sizes worldwide Silver would still only be exaggerating downward by a factor of 2 or 3, compared to an upwards exaggeration factor between 16.7 and 33.3 by FreedomWorks organizers.

Not that Kibbe comes out looking any better. Assuming he’s of average size then using the same exaggeration factors he used for his crowd estimates it’s the equivalent of him telling people that his penis is not 53 but between 98.5 and 196.4 inches! (That would be between 8 and 16 feet! Or for non-anti-science or French-cheese-eating types between 2.5 and nearly 5 meters! Or for football fans that would be between 2.7 and 5.5 yards!)

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Anyway, I guess me being a political sex blogger means I’m the one who has to grouse about the use and misuse of highly gendered body parts in political discourse. Even though he’s a racist, violence-advocating anti-democratic demagogue Matt Kibbe’s body is no more Nate Silver’s business than, say, Michelle Bachman’s body would be. In fact, because they’re both racist, violence-advocating, anti-democratic demagogues their bodies should be the least of our concerns.

Submitted by 3201 (not verified) on Mon, 2009-09-14 21:33.

Bravo, figleaf! Great post.

But we should give Kibbe his due--the length you mention is first 1.6 inches and then 1.5. He'll need every little millimeter you can spare. I haven't done the division, but I trust you can confirm it really is the larger number, 1.6 inches.

[While my arithmetic really is often bad the difference probably had to do with inconsistent rounding. The real number would be between 1.5 and 1.6 inches. Which isn't actually accurate anyway since there's no reason to believe that on average Kibbe's *real* number is either. :-) Thanks, LadyProf. --fl]

Submitted by 3201 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-09-15 18:35.

Hi Figleaf,

Ninety-five percent of the mathematically challenged patriots agree that the teabag numbers were grossly underreported. Yet I suspect that 100% of them pull their stats out of their asses with stunning regularity combining both weird sexology with mass stupidity on a grand scale. Sigh.

In all seriousness, the sad reality is that there is so much willful ignorance and committed hyperbole in our current national discussions that very few can be reasonable when actually discussing a serious issue, and no one is listening to those who can.

Enjoyed the post -
Stasha

BTW - Added a link to you today under "cool blog" I encountered. Sorry I couldn't come up with a quippier quote for the link. But it IS a cool blog.

[Thank you Stasha. --fl]

Submitted by 3201 (not verified) on Tue, 2009-09-15 21:48.

Organizers of the event specifically refused to speculate on the crowd size for the 9/12 event, but photos of the crowd show that it was clearly larger than "tens of thousands", and by actual count it was over 450,000. Two million? Nowhere near, and the only source using that number was the British Daily Mail. Probably not even a million folks, although the Capitol Mall looked to be pretty crowded.

But "60K" is ludicrously low. Here are a couple of different estimation methods, and they are tolerably close; so I'm guessing that the actual 9/12 Tea Party number is somewhere pretty close to 750,000 people.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-big-was-the-crowd/

http://www.gormogons.com/2009/09/how-many-people-were-at-big-912-tea.html

That's 750K people WITH JOBS who came ON THEIR OWN without being bussed in en masse. 750K people who each brought THEIR OWN signs instead of all wielding identical professionally-printed works of art.

I would further note that by photographic evidence, when the marchers left the Mall was as clean as it had been when they arrived.

[What I don't get is why they don't ask the Port-O-Potty vendors how big the crowds are. As for the "painted their own racist slogans," "all had jobs," and "left no trash" memes, if Rush says it it must be true. --fl]

Submitted by 3201 (not verified) on Wed, 2009-09-16 20:49.

I was going to try to compare photos of the 9/12 march with photos from the 2004 March for Women's Lives that I went to, but I can't find a verified crowd photo from 9/12.

I thought you might like this picture anyway. The march itself was amazing and exhilarating.

http://www.now.org/history/slideshows/march2004/

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