Rules of Desire: Flitter on "How to Become Invisible in Your Marriage Counseling"

Flitter of My Precious Midlife Crisis collides with Rule Number One (emphasis mine.)

How to Become Invisible in Your Marriage Counseling

Say you want satisfying sex. Watch hubby and male therapist go carefully blank for a moment while you go on to the next thing on your list of things you want out of your marriage.

I’ve brought up the sex thing a couple times in our first couple sessions, and hubby and therapist won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. I can’t help but wonder how things would be if it was hubby complaining about the sex. Sex seems to me like an important part of marriage. Even if you’re not having sex, both partners should be on the same page and happy with that arrangement. If both partners are struggling with frequency, or more importantly in my mind, how satisfactory the sex is when it does happen— well, who else are you gonna snog? Shouldn’t you be trying to make that happen inside your marriage? Even if you have an open marriage and you’re both open to other partners, that shouldn’t be something you seek out because sex with your spouse is distasteful.

She said it here.

Can’t remember the source now but even I was startled to read that more than half of all heterosexual couple’s decisions to go to sex therapists over problems with a partner’s libido are initiated by the woman.

I don’t know why I’m surprised, though. I noticed early on that more than half the blogs where the author is disappointed about a partner’s low libido and/or general lack of attentiveness are written by women.

And yet we “know” women have lower libidos than men. We “know” men “need” prostitutes because their wives just can’t keep up. We “know” women would rather just sit around talking about their feelings and baking bread or something.

What if the much-mocked and often dreaded “feelings” women wanted to talk about were about sexual desire?

What’s especially frustrating is how likely it is that men’s belief in rule number two is just as responsible as our belief (against so much evidence) in rule number one.

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That rule number two business is especially ironic when you consider, for instance, this post by Hugo Schwyzer.

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I read something interesting (It’s evolutionary psychology, so take it with a grain of salt) about something called “The Coolidge Effect.” This is basically a phenomenon that after a number of years together, the woman wishes her husband would have more sex with her, while the husband begins to desire sex with other partners, and less with the woman.

From the article:
“Without the Coolige Effect urging them toward new sexual partners, the small, isolated bands of hunter/gatherers from whom we’re all descended would have in-bred right out of existence. None of us would be here now, wondering why familiarity numbs eroticism. Hybrid vigor is as important in people as it is in tomatoes, so men have evolved to be turned on by the unfamiliar and sexually numbed by sustained familiarity…

The incest taboo has deep biological roots. Married couples often do start feeling like siblings after a while. How can they not, living side by side day after day, night after night?...

So, in light of the above, what might we expect to find in long term sexually monogamous heterosexual relationships?

We’d expect to find that males were eager for sex with their mates in the first few years, becoming steadily less so as time passed—regardless of how much love existed between the couple or how objectively attractive the woman remained. They’d be likely to feel confused and shamed by these feelings; the women likely to feel betrayed and insulted.”

In relation to your observation about women being more likely to blog about/pursue sex therapy for a lack of sex/unsatisfying sex in their relationships, I think it’s an interesting thing to consider.

[One nit to pick with evolutionary psychologists would be… how exactly does making the child of every woman in the village half-brothers and half-sisters reduce inbreeding. Plus for far more than half the women blogging it doesn’t seem to be a requirement that their current partner be the one with the recharged libido. That’s not to say there’s no “Coolidge effect.” And there appear to be a number of (pan-gender) incest avoidance reflexes. But both of those can also be explained by the general phenomenon that also leads to “familiarity breeds contempt.” Anyway, there’s probably something in our ancestry that explains all this, but it probably isn’t about hunter-gatherers on the savannah. That said I’m still going to follow up on your tip, Britni, for which I’m quite grateful. Thank you. —fl]

 

I noticed early on that more than half the blogs where the author is disappointed about a partner’s low libido and/or general lack of attentiveness are written by women.

I noticed that too, but when I tried to contact those on my blogroll for more in-depth stories, about a quarter of the ones who responded turned out to be men posing as women, reversing the roles to gain readership and to make the blog more interesting. Because who wants to read about men who don't get enough sex, anyway?

[Heh. The 25% estimate sounds about right though I tend to filter them out. i'm pretty darn sure the ones i was thinking about aren't or weren't men. I mention that because early on I assumed, in particular, that anyone who said they were a woman who liked submissive BDSM was actually a man. Then I corresponded with or met them and realized there was a whole 'nother world out of people out there I didn't know existed. Thanks, Patty. --fl]

 

Yikes. I would be very curious to hear more about this. I’ve long wondered about the preponderance of women in sex blogging, anyway. It can’t just be that we’re more verbally inclined or emotionally open.

[I think part of it is that there are just more women who blog, especially anonymously. And in part it might be because a lot of men who do blog believe a partner with a lower libido is just par for the course… and so instead of dwelling on it they just post about porn, or prostitutes, or sports or economics or something. Going back to women I’ve gotten the impression that anonymous blogs are a really natural medium for expressing yourself when you’re feeling anxious or odd-person-out. You don’t hear a lot of women saying “well, like everyone else I know my male partner has a lower libido than I do.” Although, of course, over the course of a long-term relationship I suspect it happens in roughly equal numbers to men and women I don’t think a lot of people are comfortable talking about it. Oh, and finally, I’m pretty darn sure that while those proportions add up you’re not going to hear a lot of men blogging about their own lower-than-their-partner’s libidos. Thanks, Sungold. —fl]

 

Figleaf, you’ve mentioned this study at least twice on women who seek counseling because their mate is just not that into them – or sex? – anymore.

Any chance you could unearth the source? I would love love love to check it out.

As for marriage counseling, the stats for keeping couples together aren’t good. (And don’t as me for sources – I googled this long ago!) I tend to think people first seek counseling when their relationship is already very damaged and hard to salvage. In other words, they wait too long to expect success. Maybe if counseling itself didn’t already connote failure, they (we?) would go early enough to make a real difference and avoid failure in the end.

[Yup, it’s awkward that I don’t have that source. (I’m surprised I didn’t mention it the first time I saw it.) I’m pretty sure the reference was about sex therapists not the standard “help make the eventual divorce more amicable” couples counselors. I certainly agree most people who pull it together during counseling seem to have had sense enough, or luck enough, to start early in the process. If I do find the link (I’m afraid it was in a now-long-lost print magazine I read while flying somewhere.) Still, the reason I mention it is that a) it was in a context where they didn’t seem to be sensationalizing and b) it didn’t seem that unreasonable. If I do find another reference I promise I’ll post about it. Thanks for keeping me honest, Sungold. —fl]

 

Oh, it’s not about keeping you honest – I’d just like to read it!

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