fMhLisa of Feminist Mormon Housewives stands up for feminism and men (I’ve mildly reformatted her post)
So there’s this one debate, you may be familiar with it . . .
One side of this debate says stuff like:
- Feminists hate men.
- Feminists attack men.
- Feminists want to weaken men.
And I hear many of these same people saying:
- Men only think (or care) about one thing.
- Men don’t have a strong moral compass and need women to (gently) guide them to do the right thing.
- A man’s pride controls him, so don’t bruise it by being bossy. It’s okay to get your way, just so long as he thinks it’s his idea and feels strong and manly about it.
- Men are visual, they can’t help it, so cover up because he can’t control himself.
- Men are simple creatures who need food, sex, sports, money, and fast cars. Don’t expect him to have (or express!) a complicated inner life with emotions and crap.
- Men are naturally less righteous than women, so they need this here God-powered crutch gift to raise them up (nearly) to our level.
- Men have to think they’re in charge, or they quit trying. So we’ll just tell’em they preside (even if we really are equal partners), and let’em assign someone to say the prayer.
- You also gotta let men have all the leadership positions, cause otherwise they’ll stay home and watch football.
- If we don’t let men have the priesthood (and make the money, and protect us from spiders ‘n rapists), then women wouldn’t really need men. (Since other than that all they’re good for is sperm donors?)
So wait . . .
Who is it that attacks, weakens, and hates men?
An even better question? Who created the stereotype of men that feminists are supposed to hate so much? Anti-feminists hate, fear, and are strongly disgusted by men. Feminists? Exasperated sometimes, when we men mistake anti-feminist stereotypes for compliments maybe. But hate? Not so much. Certainly not the way anti-feminists hate us.




This sentence (“Feminists?
Submitted by Daphne B (not verified) on Tue, 2010-03-09 05:47.This sentence (“Feminists? Exasperated sometimes, when we mistake anti-feminist stereotypes for compliments maybe.”) was hard to parse. Until I realized the “we” in that sentence wasn’t “feminists” but “men”. I guess I’ve always thought of you (Figleaf) as both.
[Doh! That was what I meant, Daphne. I’ve changed “we” to “we men.” Thanks for the heads up. —fl]
“Who created the stereotype
Submitted by BluntHammer (not verified) on Wed, 2010-03-10 13:18.“Who created the stereotype of men that feminists are supposed to hate so much?”
That, sadly, is both sexist and feminist who create this stereotype. My wife-to-be and I have talked for many hours about the misconception she had gotten from some hard line feminists and male sexists about how we average males think/act.
I don’t know a SINGLE male who ONLY thinks about getting laid. I don’t know a single guy who doesn’t “have (or express!) a complicated inner life with emotions and crap.”
I do, however, know some men who think that women ARE less able to hold positions of power. Some who DO believe that women are bitches, hoes, hookers, and so on and so forth. Not so shockingly, these men tend to be under-educated, and idiots, and never think to look beyond the next excuse for their behavior.
Some of the “Feminists attack men” comes from comments such as “You’re a male, you don’t know what sexism is”... which interestingly IS sexist itself. It’s based off the sex of the person being told they can’t understand.
Some of the “Feminist hate men” are because some of them are homosexual.. and some man takes it the wrong way and tells others. (Note: I am not blaming homosexual women, but explaining how things can be misunderstood if someone doesn’t look beyond the surface)
Or when a guy comments about something, it is taken the wrong way or out and out twisted by some woman on a blog who didn’t take the time to fully read it… and goes off on some guy.
The sad fact is that these things happen by the “Vocal Minority” on BOTH sides of the fence. And the Vocal Minority ends up being the way everyone else views that group. We all get painted with the same brush… but I can’t see a damn way to get rid of them/shut them up.
Your blog is getting weirder
Submitted by fiveofnine (not verified) on Thu, 2010-03-11 07:48.Your blog is getting weirder and weirder. Link download three days behind, hence me commenting on this post. Whereas feed is on time.