On the Difference Between Taking Interest and Taking Responsibility For Our Partners' Enjoyment in Bed

Mon, 2010-03-01 11:37

Cinnamonsticks of Christian Nymphos tackles a stealth issue in patriarchy, pedestals, and the no-sex class.

We hear from a lot of women who aren’t satisfied in the bedroom. Some have husbands with a low sex drive. Some have husbands who don’t know how to be good lovers to them. Some have a hard time achieving orgasm. For whatever the reason they are not happily enjoying a fulfilled sex life with their husband.

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What I want to do today is take the time to specifically focus on and discuss the importance of not transferring our part of the problem to our husbands. What often happens is that if we perceive that our husband is doing something that is keeping us from being sexually satisfied, we become so focused on his contribution to it that we forget that we are actually the ones who are primarily responsible for making sex what we want and need it to be.

She said it here.

One of the limits of traditional gender relations has been that women are given “gatekeeper” rights over only one thing: to open the gate. Everything else is held to be up to the man. Including her satisfaction. Including her disappointment.

As Barbara Eherenreich and Dierdre English, Rachel P. Maines, and others have meticulously documented, society has sometimes gone to extraordinary lengths to insure that women remain as passively dependent on their partners as humanly possible. Even in the sexually “progressive” 1970s the whole “she comes first” movement (endorsed by 2nd-wave feminism and Playboy progressives alike) held men more accountable for their partners’ enjoyment but… no less responsible for it.

In terms of heterosexuality one of the coolest things about the advent of the so-called “third wave” beginning in the 1980s was the then seriously radical idea that sex wasn’t just something that men had. There had been vibrators, yes, but they were still mostly seen (but not shown to partners) as substitutes when men weren’t around or… to “finish the job” after the man had gone to bed or gone home. But starting somewhere in the 1980s women began actively asserting ownership of their enjoyment rather than expecting their partners to provide it for them.

In many circles, both traditional and (perhaps surprisingly) progressive, this shift from women as audience of men’s performance to women as their own agents has gone over poorly. Resisted in a way that, say, tipping hats, opening doors, paying all expenses for dates, or even men leading in ballroom dancing hasn’t been. But the resistance is still an obstacle to parity.

Bottom line is it’s really (really!) important to take an active interest in our partners’ pleasure during sex. Important for men because historically we haven’t been terrifically attentive, and when even when we’ve been attentive we haven’t necessarily been very realistic. And important for women too because historically, if inaccurately, there’s been that assumption that once a partner says “yes” men can handle the rest themselves. But while it’s important for all of our partners to be actively interested in our enjoyment it’s also important that we not hold our partners responsible for our enjoyment either. So good call by Cinnamonsticks.

The disctinction between

Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Mon, 2010-03-01 21:43.

The disctinction between “interest” and “responsibility” is a crucial one.

But one of the items on Cinnamonstick’s inventory is really different from the rest. If my dude just has no clue how to find or stroke my clitoris, by golly I can gently help him find it. But if he’s just not into sex? With me? Or with anyone? That’s the point where frankly it’s mostly about him (barring any major relationship problems).

So I think those “husbands with a low sex drive” belong in a different category. Compassionate communication is nowhere near enough to revive a marriage that’s slowly shriveling for lack of sex. The husband has got to be willing to try new things (which I’d define really broadly, from therapy to medical testing to sex toys) or the passion is bound to die.

The tricky part is convincing someone whose sex drive is so low that he’s apathetic that he too has to invest some love and energy into sex, or the marriage is in dire straits. Simply “sharing responsibility” is a completely vacant concept in that situation.

On a somewhat different note, I worry, too, that admonitions for women to take more responsibility for the sexual success of their relationship – when they’re already the “emotional manager” in a majority of relationship – is just saddling them with another impossible job. The message may be very important for deeply Christian wives. The rest of us are surrounded by messages about sex that exhort us to drive our men wild (while being orgasmic ourselves) – any Cosmo will tell me that.

[Yup, I saw that, and initially put in a caveat, but then decided… well, there are a couple of ways to parse both “responsibility” and “interest” in the face of an apathetic partner. Cinnamonstick’s intended audience might need to lump apathy with disinterest but everyone should choose what it means for themselves. Speaking instead for myself I’d say a partner’s sexual apathy or indifference is a violation of the “interest” clause. Which in turn may greatly expand what the scope of what their partner can do while taking responsibility for her or his sexual success. Thanks, Sungold. —fl]

I think I followed you up to

Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Wed, 2010-03-03 23:40.

I think I followed you up to the last sentence, but would you be willing to clarify what’s included in or meant by:
Which in turn may greatly expand what the scope of what their partner can do while taking responsibility for her or his sexual success.
This could mean a million and one things … anything from “time to buy a vibrator” to “time to leave your partner.” I’m just guessing blindly, though. What did you mean by it, figleaf?

[”...anything from ‘time to buy a vibrator’ to ‘time to leave your partner.’” That is what I meant, Sungold. Sorry I wasn’t more clear. —fl]

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