68,000 out of 100,000 AskMen Readers Would Use Male Birth Control Pills

Sat, 2010-08-07 08:53

Em & Lo report that according to an AskMen.com survey with close to 100,000 responses…

If a male birth control pill became available, 68% of men would take it.

Read the quote in context here.

There are usually dozens to hundreds of reasons to dismiss the credibility of online surveys, not least surveys conducted by the likes of AskMen and it’s sister publication Cosmopolitan. And even more reason to be leery of the results given that neither the publishers nor the readers AskMen or Cosmo are particularly highly placed on the progressive/feminist enlightenment scale.

In this case, for this answer on this survey, I think that’s actually a bonus rather than a liability. Because if 68% of self-selected AskMen readers in the 18-30 age demographic say they’d take a male birth control pill that’s…

Well, that’s just incredibly encouraging.

Ordinarily that’s precisely the demographic skeptics point to while claiming that R&D on male contraceptives is a waste of time.

With almost no encouragement whatsoever (least of all encouragement from either AskMen or Cosmo!) roughly 68,000 out of 100,000 nominally callow youths said yes they would. Imagine how many more would say yes with even a modicum of marketing.

It seems to be like the

Submitted by Nightfall (not verified) on Sat, 2010-08-07 16:52.

It seems to be like the powers-that-be in the US (and I’m using this term in a very nonspecific sense) and their relationship with completely new and controversial policies, social changes, and/or consumer products goes something like this:

Year 1: “Nobody would want this.”
(Polls soon show about 40% of people want it or are for it.)

Year 5: “Most people wouldn’t want this.”
(Polls soon show that now 70% of people want it or are for it.)

Year 10: “It wouldn’t work.”
(It is soon proven in other countries to work.)

Year 15: “It wouldn’t work very well in America for cultural reasons.”
(It is tested out in a few states or various major cities. It works fine.)

Year 20: “It’s immoral and wrong. You don’t want to be immoral and wrong, do you?”
(Heavy propaganda followed by push-polls designed to elicit a negative response. Despite this, the push-polls still show 55% of people want or are for it.)

Year 25: “We must protect tradition and the sensibilities of those who are against it.”
(Polls show that 98% of people are for it, the other 2% are largely regarded as being insane, and most people consider “tradition” to be an inconvenience in this case rather than a boon.)

Year 30: “We’ve always been for this. We’re at the forefront of the wave of the future.”
(Statistics show that the US is 15 years behind most other industrial nations in terms of allowing such policies, social changes, or products.)

That seems like a familiar

Submitted by figleaf on Sun, 2010-08-08 11:09.

That seems like a familiar pattern, Nightfall. I’m guessing you’re right. Specifically I think what you’re talking about is the “half life” of persistent stereotypes. We “know” that men are irresponsible, and sure to a certain extent, in certain contexts, men are. But after a point it’s like saying “liberal democrats are socialists.” Yeah, maybe at some point in the 1950s or 1960s some number of them probably were (though even then never a majority.) Now we’ve got a President who on an absolute scale is somewhat to the right of the 1970s President Gerald Ford, and yet wingers are still getting some kind of mileage out of the old tropes. The fact is, though, that there is a half-life for stereotypes, and yeah, for at least the last five years a majority of men — even AskMen type men — have expressed interest and willingness to use contraceptive pills. Eventually this information will soak in, but for now all it takes is one knucklehead in east Tennessee with 21 children by 16 partners to keep everyone sure that men will never be interested.

Thanks!

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I always thought the real

Submitted by chingona (not verified) on Sat, 2010-08-07 17:15.

I always thought the real issue with male birth control wasn’t would men take it but would women trust men to take it. Though your experience (as reported here) of women believing that you had had a vasectomy would indicate women would take men’s word on it. I’d certainly trust a man more in a relationship than in a casual encounter, but I’ve also sometimes felt that I and my husband haven’t always been on the same page about preventing pregnancy – by which I mean, he’s been more open to the idea of kids and just felt that things would work out at times when I felt it really would have been a bad idea and I know that I’ve been less careful about birth control at times where I was open to the idea of kids. I realize these issues just would put women in the same position that men have always been in, but I can’t get over the idea that women, ultimately, have more at stake in the issue than men do. My problem? Probably.

The other question I’ve seen come up is men seem more put off by potential side effects, while women obviously put up with side effects for every type of birth control. There’s the issue of theoretical birth control vs. actual birth control with actual side effects/risks.

Those are all definitely

Submitted by figleaf on Sun, 2010-08-08 11:54.

Those are all definitely considerations, of course, though I think you’re right that a lot of concerns for women are similar to those currently encountered in men. But I think a lot of them would be answered when such a contraceptive for men was actually “on the ground” instead of in the future. For one thing, when it comes to men’s responsibility for pregnancy I’m almost positive that the notion of male responsibility for avoiding it will be taken a lot more seriously by other men. Right now there’s something between casual indifference and learned helplessness, but that’s got an awful lot to do with the dearth of options for men.

(Aside: yes, I know, there are always condoms and you’d think that ought to be enough. But for whatever reason, for both men and women, condoms seem to be to contraception what city buses are to public transportation: sensible, practical, economical, reliable, and… underappreciated compared to, say, subways or single-occupancy vehicles. In other words it’s inexplicably dumb but, for condoms and buses both, shouldn’t be taken as evidence of universal hostility to their respective ideas.)

As for reliability of the birth control pills themselves, and reliability of men’s use thereof, I’ve always said it would be really, really great to see a companion product like home-fertility kits or blood-sugar test strips that men and/or their partners could use to confirm its effectiveness. Possibly ironically, it’s easier to determine male fertility than it is female fertility in humans. So that would be a double bonus contraceptives-wise.

Another thing about pregnancy risk with male contraceptive, if one is at all serious about avoiding unplanned, unwanted pregnancy I still think it’s always, always, always critical to use double contraceptive methods rather than just one. So I’d never recommend that a woman stop using her methods of choice just because her partner adopted a new option. (Exceptions would be surgical sterilization and possibly IUDs since they’re the only once that can be considered 99% reliable when done correctly.) So anyway, I’d see a male pill as another form of suspenders to go with the belt one should already be wearing rather than as a substitution for wearing no belt at all.

As for side effects, I think that might be a bit of a red herring as well. Yes, the “side effects” of pregnancy are such that “logically” women should be willing to endure more side effects of contraception. But men (like women) often take remarkable health risks in order to have sex anyway, and I’m pretty sure that if men thought it would help improve either their frequency or enjoyment of sex they’d probably put up with possible side-effects just as women do.

I ought to mention that unlike condoms male pills wouldn’t offer STI protection, but add that the same is true when a couple relies instead on the woman using the pill.

Thanks, Chingona,

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if men thought it would help

Submitted by chingona (not verified) on Sun, 2010-08-08 13:52.

if men thought it would help improve either their frequency or enjoyment of sex

Well, sure. I’d just note that one of the side effects some women put up with from the pill is less enjoyment of sex.

But overall, I like the comparison of buses and condoms. My husband, who has made a bit of a hobby out of public transportation and city planning issues, is always going on about how dedicated bus lanes really offer the most bang for your public transportation dollar, but light rail is so much sexier that buses don’t get a fair hearing. But neither of us is really keen on condoms. ;)

Busted for zero clarity! I

Submitted by figleaf on Sun, 2010-08-08 14:36.

Busted for zero clarity! I should have been more clear that by “enjoyment” I’d been thinking in terms of diminished stress and fear about unplanned, unwanted pregnancy.

As for buses, yes, exactly. Buses offer the best bounce per ounce by far, even before you start adding dedicated lanes, preferential signaling, curb standouts so buses don’t’ have to pull out of traffic to pickup and drop off passengers, etc. But for all that neither passengers, nor transit operators, nor politicians love them. (Total aside: what might change all that, believe it or not, is Google Maps on a hand-held. In New York in particular I was awed by instructions to “walk 200 feet south, catch the 11B bus that arrives in 3 minutes, get off at…” There’s no reason in principle why every transit system can’t do that.)

Thanks, Chingona,

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My feeling is that, if you’re

Submitted by Lynn Gazis-Sax (not verified) on Sun, 2010-08-08 18:13.

My feeling is that, if you’re in any situation where you really, really, really don’t want a pregnancy, then, yes, ideal would be more than one contraceptive method, and that would be a lot easier to achieve if both partners have enough choices that they’ll choose at least one.

If you’re in a situation where you aren’t on the same page as to how strongly you want to avoid pregnancy, then ideally the person who’s most motivated is using contraception, and if the other person is using a method too, it’s a bonus. And, while I’d expect the woman to usually be the more motivated party, sometimes it’s the man, so you’d still get better odds if men have better contraception.

So a male contraceptive pill does sound like a no brainer good thing, whether or not women generally trust men to take it.

Ooh, nicely put, Lynn! Yes,

Submitted by figleaf on Mon, 2010-08-09 05:42.

Ooh, nicely put, Lynn! Yes, it’s a no-brainer either way. Thanks! —fl

Well, it is AskMen.com.

Submitted by ozymandias (not verified) on Sat, 2010-08-07 17:48.

Well, it is AskMen.com. They’ve read all the articles about how women are stealing their sperm to trap them into marriage. Perhaps they’re just trying to keep from suffering this horrendous fate.

Good news, though. I really want there to be a male pill, if only to shut the MRAs up.

“They’ve read all the

Submitted by figleaf on Sun, 2010-08-08 12:00.

“They’ve read all the articles about how women are stealing their sperm to trap them into marriage.”

This is why I’m so encouraged that it’s AskMen readers who responded. In market-demand terms it doesn’t matter why men would want to use a pill. It’s only important that there’d be enough of a market to make it worth bringing such pills to market.

That irrational MRA fear, by the way, is one more reason I think the ground would shift on the male-responsibility angle: once there’s a pill MRA types, frat boys, and, well, AskMen readers will mock, scorn, and otherwise peer-pressure men who weren’t using the pill when their partner becomes pregnant. Instead of “oh us poor men” sympathizing, which is the status quo, it’ll be “it’s your own fucking fault for not using the pill.” In other words even reprobate men will start holding themselves and each other responsible. And that’ll make a huge difference.

Thanks, Ozymandias,

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It’s kind of cool, actually.

Submitted by ozymandias (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-09 09:32.

It’s kind of cool, actually. They’re advancing the cause of gender equality completely by accident.

I just want to say that I’m

Submitted by Danny (not verified) on Sun, 2010-08-08 18:49.

I just want to say that I’m all for more male birth control options(despite what others tell me I’m supposed to think because I fall in that age range). But I have a question.

“And even more reason to be leery of the results given that neither the publishers nor the readers AskMen or Cosmo are particularly highly placed on the progressive/feminist enlightenment scale.”
I’m betting I’m missing something here but is this supposed to mean that if the publishers/readers of AskMen/Cosmo were higher on the progressive/feminist enlightenment scale these results would suddenly be worth more?

I believe what he meant is

Submitted by Nightfall (not verified) on Sun, 2010-08-08 22:04.

I believe what he meant is that because most of them are members of a specific politically or socially biased category, they’re not necessarily a good sample of what the general public thinks. A group which tends to be high on the “progressive/feminist” enlightenment scale (whatever that means) instead of low on that scale wouldn’t necessarily be a good sample either. It was just poorly worded. (Or more like, trying to get the concept across in the wrong way.)

If that’s not what he meant, then that’s probably what he should have meant. ;-)

Hi Danny, Nightfall’s

Submitted by figleaf on Mon, 2010-08-09 05:38.

Hi Danny,

Nightfall’s right. It’s not who was being polled, it’s the reliability of the polling method. Internet polls are notoriously unreliable because even when the questions are well-designed the respondents are self-selected instead of randomly selected to produce a real sampling of the total population. In this case it’s ok that it’s just self-selected regular AskMen readers because that’s a population (younger hetero men who either are or wish to be sexually active) that too many policy makers assume wouldn’t take responsibility for contraception if the could.

And yeah, I think most men in your age range really are interested in more male birth control options. And I wish people would quit trying to insist otherwise. And speaking of which, even if you internet-polled stereotypical male Planned Parenthood members about interest in a male pill you still wouldn’t get a much different number than the 68% of AskMen readers who said yes.

Thanks,

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Cool. That’s why I wanted to

Submitted by Danny (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-09 17:51.

Cool. That’s why I wanted to say that as a question (“Do you mean…?”) rather than a charge (“How dare you…!”).

I agree that it’s heartening

Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-09 20:45.

I agree that it’s heartening to hear that so many young men would love the option of taking a contraceptive pill. I also tend to agree with Chingona that – in the absence of a well-established, trustful relationship – I wouldn’t feel comfortable delegating responsibility for my body to a partner.

But figleaf, are you really serious about this?
Another thing about pregnancy risk with male contraceptive, if one is at all serious about avoiding unplanned, unwanted pregnancy I still think it’s always, always, always critical to use double contraceptive methods rather than just one.

Sure, if you’re a committed Catholic or just implacably anti-abortion, doubling up makes sense. Ditto for folks in noncommittal situations: pickups, friends with benefits, etc. – really, anyone who needs to practice safe sex to prevent STI transmission.

But where trust has been established and earned, in a relationship where both parties are honest, responsible, and not ethically opposed to abortion? Why subject both bodies to the disadvantages of contraception? There’s not a method in the world free of drawbacks, be they medical side effects or limits on pleasure.

And so I’m automatically suspicious of a dogmatic position that insists on disadvantage/discomfort/dysfunction for both partners. That’s not equitable. Nor is it sex-positive. It just seems to be fostering an unhealthy paranoia about sex.

I think the key is the

Submitted by figleaf on Tue, 2010-08-10 07:48.

I think the key is the “unplanned, unwanted” part. If you’re serious about avoiding pregnancy then it’s neither negative nor controversial to recommend double coverage. I think our different readings might be that it wasn’t clear that we’re in agreement that second methods can include after-the-fact methods such as Plan B and abortion. I also don’t think that both parties have to use hormonal contraception, especially if it makes either one or both ill to do so. For instance he might take the pill and she could use a diaphragm, or basal-body/cervical-mucous. Or he could use both the pill and a condom. Or obviously couples could continue using non-hormonal methods that are currently available. The point of more male contraception options being that it creates more opportunities for hetero couples to mix and match, which would be a vast improvement over the status quo where most of the options fall on women’s shoulders.

Thanks, Sungold.

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