It's About Putting Shoes On Both Feet, Not On the Other Foot: Courtney Martin on the Myth of the Fairer Sex

Sun, 2010-08-01 16:38

Courtney Martin of TAPPED has an excellent, excellent post up about the pitfall of gender essentialism both outside feminism and (to a lesser extent as its influence wanes) in it.

Bitch Magazine co-founder Lisa Jervis wrote of this tendency in her powerfully original 2005 piece, “If Women Ruled the World, Nothing Would be Different.” She describe a disturbing rise in “femmenism,” in which all women, just by virtue of being female, are to be elevated and glorified. Instead of focusing on gender, as radical feminists should, she argues, feminists have become obsessed with women. This, she writes, “causes sloppy thinking, intellectual dishonesty, and massive strategic errors.”

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There has been a lot of buzz in international development and feminist circles as of late about the rise of girls and women. Last year a video called “The Girl Effect,” produced by the Nike Foundation, went viral faster than a cute-cat clip, solidifying the suspicion that development dollars in the hands of girls and women are more bang for the buck. Microlending, Greg Mortenson’s girls’ schools, and community-education models like Tostan — all of the most beloved trends in the social change of the moment — are fueled by a belief in the goodness of girls and women.

As they should be. I, too, am perched upon “the girl effect” bandwagon, feminist flag flying high, wallet open, and heart happy. But just because we champion the notion that girls and women, when empowered — economically and educationally, have the capacity to change the whole dang world, it doesn’t mean that we have to deny their twin power for destruction. Just as we take female empowerment personally, we must take female cruelty and immorality personally. We must, at the very least, admit that it exists.

She said it here.

Yup. In places where gender equality is horrifically out of balance its tremendously effective to invest things like girl’s schools, women-side microlending, healthcare, legal reform, wage and workplace reform, and the whole power-balancing shebang.

But the reason repairing the imbalance is so effective specifically isn’t because women are somehow magically superior to men but because women aren’t meaningfully different from men. The differences being superficial, it makes no sense to withhold power or resources from women that are available to men.

But! Because the differences aren’t meaningful it also makes no sense to imagine that when women have equal resources and power to men they’ll be any more (or, of course, any less) responsible with their use of them.

The same would be true if the shoe were on the other foot — men kept in subservience would also be seen to have the qualities ascribed to women: wisdom, patience, resourcefulness, compassion. (See the cartoonish treatment of the eponymous character in Rudyard Kipling’s Gunga Din, the waterboy who proves to be “a better man than I am” in the eyes of the Colonial narrator.) But I digress…

Speaking of shoes and other feet, though, a good analogy would be what kind of assumptions one might make about a society which, for whatever mad reason, had shoes only for their left feet. Yes, you’d quickly note that everyone’s right feet were more tender and delicate, more sensitive, more vulnerable, even more tentative when walking or working. And you’d also notice that when violence was perpetrated kicks would inevitably be delivered with the rough, tough, and shoe-wearing left feet. It would be silly, though, to imagine that there were essential differences in the feet themselves rather than the fact that they weren’t treated equally.

It would also be silly to imagine that if the shoes were literally on the other feet that people would be any less inclined to kick their neighbors than before. And it’s just as silly to imagine that women with power and resources equal to men would be any more (or any less) virtuous than men. That’s no reason not to give everyone two shoes, though, any more than it’s a reason for women not to have the same power and resources as men. The benefits in all cases tend to far outweigh the differences.

I seem to recall reading in

Submitted by ozymandias (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-02 07:08.

I seem to recall reading in some New York Times column (possibly Bill Kristof) that the reason they did microloans for women is that the women were likely to spend money on their families, and men tended to spend money on prostitutes, drinking and gambling. The myth of masculinity is freaking toxic.

Correct – that’s the pattern.

Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-02 14:00.

Correct – that’s the pattern. (I think you’re recalling Nicolas Kristof, though.) It’s not a matter of women being inherently more moral or ethical than men. They do, however spend their money differently when they have control over it. Maybe they too would start to spend it on sex and drink if they instituted a matriarchy. Fat chance of that happening anytime soon, though.

Also, German historians have been arguing since the 1980s about the culpability of women in WWII and the Holocaust. The latest research (whcih is Courtney’s kick-off for her column) isn’t paradigm-changing. It builds on the work of Claudia Koonz and many others. And yet … I have to say I have much more understanding for the bystander than for the active perpetrator. Both are necessary to sustain an evil system, but one is far more culpable than the other.

Arrgh. Nicholas. Right. I

Submitted by ozymandias (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-02 19:11.

Arrgh. Nicholas. Right. I always get him and Bill Kristof mixed up. Why there are two pundits with such remarkably similar names and completely different philosophies…

I agree. Women aren’t inherently better (yeah right) but the way women are socialized tends to mean that microloans and other aid are even more effective, in addition to encouraging women’s equality. And also that in the long term, their culture needs to shift towards defining masculinity as something healthier than “drinks away the money” (I have no idea how you’d do that— after all, Westerners pushing ideas on third-world cultures they don’t understand has clearly worked so well so far— but it does need to happen).

That’s a really interesting thing about the Germans. Do you know any good books about the topic (my To-Be-Read pile is, amazingly, no longer taller than my bed)?

[Yup. It’s certainly true

Submitted by figleaf on Tue, 2010-08-03 10:43.

[Yup. It’s certainly true that women in microlending environments tend to have to be more responsible with lending, but I think it’s largely because they’re already saddled with responsibility. I don’t think it’s inherent in gender, though, because you can see that same responsibility imbalance in all-male and all-female settings from caretaking siblings to military or office hierarchies to designated drivers. In all such circumstances you’re going to be better off, at least initially, directing resources to the responsible parties. And that’s why until or unless the responsibility balance shits I think it’s so effective, and even imperative, to direct microlending resources to women.

As for culpability in Germany, while the Nazi hierarchy was thoroughly masculine I’m pretty sure Courtney Martin was thinking about women who actively participated rather than passively stood by. Without invoking Godwin’s Law, at all, in the U.S. it’s certainly the case that, say, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer is actively culpable rather than passively participating in her state’s highly immoral police-state shenanigans.

Point being that it’s really important to distinguish lack of opportunity for immorality from lack of capability for it. The latter being the essentialist interpretation.

Thanks, Sungold,

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Kristoff is freaking

Submitted by Thaddeus Blanchette (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 11:07.

Kristoff is freaking toxic.

Does he have a dick? Not tryying to make some macho comment on masculinity here, but given Kristoff`s apparent penchant to believe that everything with a penis is inherently evil… Well, I wonder.

Mostly, I wonder if Kristoff isn`t engaged in soem sort of wierd projection onto the rest of the male half of the species..

The “buzz in international

Submitted by DN (not verified) on Mon, 2010-08-02 21:31.

The “buzz in international development” circles dates back to at least the early eighties. I served in the Peace Corps in the hills of Nepal then and heard what ozymandius and sungold talk about: that targeting funds into the hands of women was more effective in developing the country because of practical reasons. Prostitution and problem gambling weren’t obvious problems where I worked, but drinking was. It wasn’t socially acceptable for women to drink much publicly (still isn’t), so money in women’s hands went to the family, instead of to drink or to buying status items (shiny watches) for the men. Also moms were somewhat more likely to invest in their daughters than dads were.

I’m not an essentialist at all, but I doubt that the focus on women in development has ever been based on essentialism.

I have had it in mind to

Submitted by Nobilis Reed (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 04:39.

I have had it in mind to write some social science fiction to ask “What would the world look like if the vision of certain radical feminists became reality?” with men kept in a subservient role in order to protect women from their “naturally violent nature.”

And reading this I realized why it wouldn’t work… because it would look like a cliche gender-swapped society. That’s why my muse never gave me a story for this setting.

I need to find something subtler…

Hi Nobilis, The current

Submitted by figleaf on Tue, 2010-08-03 12:35.

Hi Nobilis,

The current title of this post is a little clunky but I think it could be turned into a good slogan for clarifying the real aim of feminism: it’s not about putting the shoe on the other foot, about turning a patriarchy into a matriarchy. Instead it’s about putting shoes on both feet. As for real radical-feminist ideas about the future, one of the original radicals, Shulamith Firestone, wrote glowingly about a Robert Heinlein scene between co-workers in bulky space suits who agree to hookup after work even though neither knows what sex the other is.

Thanks,

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For the most part, I think

Submitted by Lynn Gazis-Sax (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 07:35.

For the most part, I think that you’re right that “the reason repairing the imbalance is so effective specifically isn’t because women are somehow magically superior to men but because women aren’t meaningfully different from men. The differences being superficial, it makes no sense to withhold power or resources from women that are available to men.” But I’d make a slight tweak. I’d say that there are two reasons that repairing the imbalance is important. The first is that, for the most part, women aren’t meaningfully different from men. The second is that, to the small extent, or in the few areas, where women are meaningfully different from men, it’s important that the concerns of both be included. The difference between any one woman and man may be small, but if you multiply them by excluding women as a group from certain decisions, or certain choices, you’ve lost all of the women’s side of the difference from those decisions or those parts of your society, and, however small that difference in general may be, you’re poorer for losing it (same thing if you exclude men from certain decisions – the point isn’t anyone’s superiority, but everyone’s inclusion).

The first reason’s still the more important, because most of the time, women and men are pretty much the same in their minds, feelings, goals, aptitudes, and decisions. But I think the second reason still can hold some of the time (at the very least, women’s point of view will differ for those political issues that directly impact our bodies in different ways from how men’s bodies are impacted).

Lynn, I’m a little

Submitted by Nobilis Reed (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 07:48.

Lynn, I’m a little confused.

Your point appears to be: 1> Men and women aren’t meaningfully different. 2> Men and women are meaningfully different, but the differences are small. 3> The differences are small, but when you add them all up, they’re big.

Which doesn’t make sense, because you’re a thoughtful, intelligent person. I’m probably misreading.

I’m also having trouble parsing out what the call to action is on your point. Are you trying to say that on certain issues, women’s points of view ought to count for more than men’s?

Can you clarify?

Sure, I’ll clarify. 1) In

Submitted by Lynn Gazis-Sax (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 18:39.

Sure, I’ll clarify.

1) In most situations, men and women aren’t meaningfully different.

2 and 3) To the extent that men and women are different, the differences are generally small, but small differences do get somewhat bigger if you multiply them. (For instance, even such an obviously real physical difference as the average difference between men’s and women’s heights is really not that big, but if you actually built the world around men’s average height and completely ignored women’s height, you’d get a significant set of women – and men, but mostly women – at the short end of the continuum getting a bad deal. Similarly if you, for example, built all cars for average height women, really tall people, who tend more often to be men.) So, you don’t want either sex completely excluded from any sphere, not just because there’s really usually no good reason to (point 1), but because, even when there is a difference, the result of excluding one sex is imbalance (i.e. old style “complementary” systems where women are supposed to be running the childcare and men running everything else are wrong even to the extent that “complementary” sex differences actually exist – each “complementary” side should have equal right to be heard).

And, there may be a few issues where women’s point of view should count for more than men’s, though not many. And not necessarily absolutely. (Especially since the obvious possibilities – rape, abortion, access to the pill, etc. – seem to have men and women across the spectrum.) But if, for example, we lived in a culture where men as a group wanted more restrictions on access to birth control pills, and women as a group wanted fewer (obviously not actually the case in the US), women’s views should trump men’s, because it’s an issue involving women’s bodies. Same thing in reverse if there were a male birth control pill, and women wanted to control men’s access to it, and men wanted the reverse.

I hope that makes things a bit clearer; if not, feel free to ask me to do a better job clarifying :-).

Thank you, I think that

Submitted by Nobilis Reed (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 19:02.

Thank you, I think that handles it for me.

A friend of mine did a Master’s thesis on gender differences in the military, with regard to non-physical (that is, emotional, cognitive, psycho-sexual, etc.) arenas; mostly she was looking at things like office work, command, and technical tasks.

She found that in virtually every study that had been done, the only differences between men and women were based not on their gender, but on their socialization to their gender; for example, women were only more cooperative and less competitive when they had been taught to act that way. She could find no reason to bar any woman from any job in the US military except those which actually required extremes of physical strength, such as heavyweight boxing. Even the requirements of being an infantry soldier were entirely attainable by most women with appropriate training, if they believed that it was attainable.

In other words, Men are from Earth, Women are from Earth.

Leaving out the gender

Submitted by zilla (not verified) on Tue, 2010-08-03 11:02.

Leaving out the gender essentialism arguments (either side) and the culture arguments, I’d say that when you target the microloans to women, you get more bang for the buck, because there are more good investments as-yet unfunded, on the women’s side of the divide.

The men have historically had more access to those resources, so far more of their good investments have already been found and funded. The odds of getting good return by investing in a woman, are higher because the women have been historically under-invested.

Suppose you have 10 men and 10 women. 8 out of 10 men will do good things with investment money, and 2 will waste it. And say that women are exactly the same: 8 good, 2 bad. Randomly select 5 men to invest in, and ignore the women. Of the men invested in, 4 succeed with their investment, and remove themselves from the pool. The 1 who wasted the money still has his hands out in round two. So now the people seeking investments are:

Men: 4 good, 2 bad
Women: 8 good, 2 bad

If you again invest in five randomly chosen men, your returns are statistically unlikely to be as good, as they would be if you invested in five randomly chosen women.

The more rounds of investment are targeted to men alone, the more extreme the disparity becomes, and the better a bet on women looks. With successive rounds targeted to women, the effect will fade, but I think there’s a long way to go before that happens.

I love this comment. This is

Submitted by Plymouth (not verified) on Wed, 2010-08-04 23:53.

I love this comment. This is clearly the best and most pointed comment in the thread. That very much summarized what I was thinking more clearly than I could have. Awesomeness.

I’m with Plymouth on this

Submitted by figleaf on Thu, 2010-08-05 08:19.

I’m with Plymouth on this comment. It’s brilliant. It’s a nice, closely-reasoned explanation for what I was only able to say intuitively. It’s also generalizable to almost any situation where prejudice artificially distorts economic, social, or political access. It’s not that women are inherently better investments, it’s that thanks to discrimination the men who are better investments will tend to have already been invested in whereas the pool of women who would be good investments has not had access. It also helps highlights why any argument that we’d be better off just putting women in charge instead of men… or keeping the status quo… will fail: to do so would only change the pools of the under- vs. over-covered; it wouldn’t increase overall coverage. And finally, it demonstrates rather nicely why, as power equalizes, arguments of gender essentialism or exceptionalism would tend to evaporate.

Anyway, I think it’s a great explanation of how Martin or I could argue a) against gender essentialism while also b) arguing in favor of current policies favoring extra investment in women.

Thanks Zilla!

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Glad you like my

Submitted by Zilla (not verified) on Thu, 2010-08-05 09:02.

Glad you like my comment!

Even if you believe men are inherently superior, this works as a mathematical argument that women are the better investment bet in any culture that has historically favored men.

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