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Via Audrey Rogers of Feminist Law Professors and others
As described at Jezebel.com: “ Duke [University] is in an uproar about a highly detailed “fuck list” that a recent female graduate made — in PowerPoint, complete with penis-size evaluations and dirty-talk transcripts. Upon graduating, the author decided to pass on the wisdom she had learned, in thesis format. The subject: “An education beyond the classroom: excelling in the realm of horizontal academics.” The thirteen subjects are each preceded by a tableau of photos of the men, most of which seem to be pulled from Facebook and athletic action shots.”
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She didn’t intend for the report to go “viral” on the Internet, but did e-mail it to 3 friends. Her partners willingly engaged in sex with her, but not to have the details of their encounters rated and published. The case raises interesting and troubling questions over power, sexual freedom, and invasion of privacy.
Aside from Roger’s post and a one-liner in an RHReality Check roundup there hasn’t been much discussion of the event in the 300 or so progressive-political, feminist, and tech/nerd blogs in my newsreader. Which in itself isn’t terrifically surprising — when you think about it except for the author’s sex it sounds like the usual private college humor that escaped into the wild.
It seems to be wildly popular on the more lad-oriented side of the internet. For instance I stumbled across a new-to-me trainspotting-style trivia blog, Anorak.co.uk, which reposted Owen’s powerpoint slides. Their introduction to the slides is fairly straight and uneventful, but they used the headline “Karen Owen’s Duke University Fuck List In Full With Photos (NSFW): When Feminism Bites Back.”
Some commenters were fairly predictably negative
I kept wondering if her pussy smelled bad. Did she go bareback? I love a woman who acts like a slut. I like to watch.
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sounds like a slut looking for attention. this is why us college athletes know which girls to sleep with, and which ones not to sleep with.
But another, Cheryl, gets a little closer to the mark
This is humorous. Most sports jocks in college do think they are the cocks of the walk and brag of their conquests.
Somewhat like Cheryl, above, I think the actual incident falls into the same category as similar stunts by boorish young men: poor judgment, an unfair outing of one’s sex partners without their consent, and momentary embarrassment for the author. And 13 is a little on the high side but still well within the normal range of partners over four years for both college-age men and women. So no big deal there, and anyone who thinks this makes her a “slut” needs to get out more often.
What I don’t get is how this is supposed to represent “feminism biting back.” At best feminism has created an environment where women can be sexually active, let alone admit it, fear of being stoned to death in the village square. At best feminism has created an environment where women can be financially, legally, socially, and politically independent enough not to lock down their laps (like that’s any easier women than it would be for men) until one guy offers to shoulder her complete financial dependence. But that’s just the environment we feminism has helped create — but inside that environment her actions themselves don’t seem either particularly feminist or non-feminist.
Otherwise it just sounds like minus the blow up 14 Duke students, one young woman and 13 young men, had some very enjoyable experiences in college. Without feminism it might only have been 2, with 12 others left wishing it could have been them… or maybe even never knowing what they’d missed at all… or, in the bad-old days before feminism, they’d have found “outlets” in one of the illegal brothels that once could be found on the “wrong side of the tracks” in nearly all college towns. Including Duke. All in all I think those options would bite worse than this.
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You know, if you're going to
Submitted by Nightfall (not verified) on Fri, 2010-10-08 21:21.You know, if you're going to do something like this, even if it's only intended to be seen by a few friends ("a secret known by three is knowledge shouted out to the world") it's a good idea to use random single letters ("A", "F", "R", whatever) or numbers or pseudonyms which give no hint to their actual identity. This way… well, some of the people at the college might still be able to put some of it together, but they at least don't have any absolute proof of it and it would be largely meaningless to people on the outside.
And even if someone genuinely is a "slut", so what? I don't care so long as they take steps to protect themselves (and future partners) from STDs. I don't see why anyone else should, either.
Yup. On both the “identify
Submitted by figleaf on Sat, 2010-10-09 20:30.Yup. On both the “identify ‘research subjects’ with randomly-chosen acronyms” and who cares how many people one has sex with as long as one wants to have sex with them?
Thanks, Nightfall,
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Have you looked at her
Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Sat, 2010-10-09 12:32.Have you looked at her "thesis"? I posted on this too yesterday, mainly because I was distrubed by how silent both Jezebel and Broadsheet had been about real problems with consent. One of the experiences she describes she doesn't even remember. She was blacked out the whole time. Another encounter came perilously close to that. The blacked-out sex clearly falls under North Carolina's rape statutes.
I'm not in any way opposed to casual sex, but her adventures reveal a lot about what's wrong with hookup culture, where much of the sex is often just not very good for women. She raves about one guy who made sure she came first. She's astonished with another when she discovers that sober hookup sex can be pretty great. This speaks volumes about what was likely lacking in her other encounters. She also seems to view sex as being about conquest to a degree that feels, well, transactional to me
And figleaf – are you sure you want to characterize 13 as "a little on the high side"? That's just over three partners per year. Back in the day before it was possible to expose your entire sex life on the internet, during my college years and early 20s, I was about as active as Karen Owen. (I did go for guys I actually liked, as opposed to targeting varsity athletes.) What would that "normal range" be? I'd be very wary of specifying "normal" except in a purely statistical sense. If I'm going to make a value judgment, then let it be about whether partners behaved ethically toward each other.
I noticed some of her
Submitted by figleaf on Sat, 2010-10-09 20:43.I noticed some of her encounters weren’t terrifically, um, optimal. But I evidently didn’t read them close enough. I came away with the impression her relationships were well-enough established that her too-drunk sex was decided on pre-too-drunk. And I have to admit that my discomfort with enthusiastic drinking plus her generally affirmative tone (about both the sex and the drinking) kept me from looking closer.
As for 13 partners in four years I thought that while well inside the normal distribution it was still above average. Considering how many students have zero to one partners until their second or third year (about which I’m also not judgmental) I really was thinking in statistical terms. (Although I really do need to take classes in statistics — I seem to have no grasp of terminology at all!)
Thanks for the reminder, Sungold.
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The problem with seeing
Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Sat, 2010-10-09 21:13.The problem with seeing drinking as uniformly bad is that it can be hard to distinguish between enthusiastic drinking and really unhealthy, dangerous behavior. Most of my friends (and I) enjoy a glass of wine or a cocktail – or two. We're enthusiastic about it. But we rarely go truly overboard. That's a far cry from the sort of binge drinking that Owen describes.
Generally speaking, I think established partners (even if they're "casual") can do stuff like saying, "Let's get drunk and have sex!" The guy you're picking up for the first time? It's unlikely that there will be any negotiation or clear verbal agreement on boundaries.
Last thing I have to say on the 13 partners: Your comment really did sound judgmental. And knowing that your own youth was notably more, um, active than Owen's or mine, it frankly came across as hypocritical, though I'm sure that wasn't your conscious intent.
[I completely agree about the
Submitted by figleaf on Sun, 2010-10-10 00:54.[I completely agree about the consequences about me being narrow-minded about alcohol. I certainly had many partners with partners who also had similar numbers of their own partners. Which is why I’m not really getting the judgmental thing. And actually see also Kinsey Although also see also that I’m still not that great with statistics. We might have both been above average, but what’s wrong with being above average?!?!? Besides nothing?
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