Clarissa says
I thought I heard every pseudo-feminist piece of insanity under the sun but, never fear, there are always new and inventive ways to make feminism sound completely ridiculous. A pseudo-feminist blogger recently announced that her blog will be a male-free zone. Men will not be allowed to post comments if they insist on identifying as male:
Source: Clarissa's Blog
The blogger who's closed her comments to men is Jill, a.k.a. Twisty Faster. She's neither the first nor the last to do so. This is a two part post, first on the idea of my-team-only spaces, the other on the idea of labeling this or that faction as "pseudo-feminists."
First: I think it's fine to create people-where-you-are spaces, even when I'm not one of the people where you are. For instance there are quite a few "pickup-artist" forums that are actually quite closed to outsiders. There are feminist and womanist spaces, obviously. There's some tremendously angry guy in Portland who runs a closed anti-porn site. Glenn Beck types have their spaces. Trans people have theirs. Gay conservatives have theirs. Angry divorced men have theirs. And so on.
In each case, for better or worse, having a space where you can stand down from your belief that you must present your "unified public face" and actually talk about stuff you feel really vulnerable about. (The friend who told me about the PUA sites said, for instance, that it provides a critical space for men who are really worried about masculinity to safely *question* their masculinity.
So the question for me isn't so much that people have themselves-only spaces, or even that they brag about it. What matters is whether they *stay* in it. You sort of get to see what happens in, say, the whole Fox News "epistemic closure" phenomenon, and that sort of echo-chamber/amen-chorus effect shows up in places like IBTP.
But hey, there's a point in almost any consciousness-raising processes where frustration and impatience with the status quo boils up. And while it happens to be, I think, a huge mistake to stay angry, I think it's also problematic if you never get angry at all.
(Case in point that only seems completely off the wall: kid I was in high-school with maybe 40 years ago now still walks with a limp from the injury he got putting his whole heart, soul, and body into not losing the homecoming game in his senior year. Playing with unreported broken bones can evidently do that. At the moment, though, school spirit and winning that game was that important to him. Would he do that today? No, almost certainly not: he's gotten perspective. It's not that community isn't important to him -- I'm sure it is. It's that he, like numerous teammates who weren't crippled by zeal, were, well, so full of zeal they were willing to cripple themselves. And not to put too fine a point on it, if he hadn't felt the future of his team, his school, and his life were about to be lost to an opposing team he might not have hurled himself so thoroughly into harms way. My point is that people experience zealous feelings, and thrive on opposition. Particularly when they feel they're in an easily extinguished minority. When they can find a safe place to spread out their thoughts without opposition nearly all of them are eventually able to move on. Without feeling obliged to virtually set themselves on fire.)
So there. That's my pitch for tolerating and even encouraging safe-space venues for people to air out their demons. First, it's actually good for most people. Second, the more outsiders push, the more zealously they risk irreparably windmill-tilting themselves. When someone's in that space all the reasonable chiding in the world won't help.
Next: About the pseudo-feminist thing. I'd just point out that feminism is a very big tent -- big enough to hold the almost diametrically opposite Twisty Faster and Sarah Palin, not to mention everyone else in between. Where "in between" isn't even a single file but wide field. Considering the breadth of the field almost everyone on it can be branded a pseduo-feminist by one or more others on the field. Nor is it the case that the field slopes upward from, say, a least-feminist Palin to an ultimate-feminist Mary Daly.
sInstead I think the way to look at feminism, as with most other fields, is to look at their impact on the rest of the field rather than their authenticity. By that metric the Palin and the Daly factions are both noisy and noticable, but for all that they're neither terribly influential and thus, for all their visibility, not very significant. (Even though, referencing the "angry" stage, above, many or even most feminists may at one point or another go through a transitional Palin or Daly phase.)
Anyway, that's why I'm less inclined to call one group pseudo-feministst: it reinforces the idea that there's one single "authentic" feminism one could belong to instead; it allows us to imagine that the definition we're using to judge others is, in fact, the most authentic. Both of those require more authority than pretty much anyone has -- not me, not you, not Palin, not Twisty, not bell hooks, not Shulamuth Firestone, not Caitlin Flannagan, etc.




I really don't think that
Submitted by PattyCake (not verified) on Sun, 2011-02-13 18:39.I really don't think that Palin and Darcy (Twisty) are that "diametrically opposed". They're both far more alike than unalike; they both love the sound of their own thoughts and they both like to stay in their safe echo chambers, where they can delete the unwelcome comments that they can't actually laugh at.
Also, it's not that hard to identify as female when commenting on her blog. It's always been necessary, if you wanted to be heard. Now it's just a requirement.
Good point, Patty. I agree
Submitted by figleaf on Sun, 2011-02-13 19:22.Good point, Patty. I agree they're similar (though *not* identical!) in those dimensions. As far as social priorities go, though, they almost couldn't be more different. See choice, deference to husbands, role of religion, approach to sexuality, interest in the use of conventional beauty, political spectrum, etc. --fl
Figleaf: Not so sure about
Submitted by Sungold (not verified) on Sun, 2011-02-13 22:55.Figleaf: Not so sure about the football player as example; you don't describe a consciousness-raising process, only the groupthink that I fear too often epitomizes homogeneous groups.
But your broader points about feminism are spot-on. If I start circumscribing "who counts" as feminist, why, I'll soon be down to just me! And while I find myself charming and amusing company, that's a bit scant for a social movement, don't you think? Instead, I'd much rather critique those who claim the mantle of feminism, yet are out to harm women. (I have taken a vow of silence for the month regarding the individual in question; let's just say she had a thing about caribou and wolves, as long as she's well armed and they aren't.)
I doagree that sometimes people need to explore their issues within a group of similar people. Creating a "safe" space, on the other hand, is trickier, and I just spent the evening writing about it. (IBTP is full of fail on this, I'm sorry to say.)
As for you, figleaf, do you think you'll venture into Twisty's comment section again? I've had the impression that you're willing to criticize her here, often sharply, on your home turf, but as soon as you appear on her blog, you aren't just polite, you stoop to toadying. Maybe that's the toll you had to pay in order not to be banned; maybe that toll will still be sufficient, or maybe no more. While I understand male feminists and allies need to show their bona fides, I can't imagine wanting to engage in discussion with anyone where I first had to kiss their behind. No matter how comely that behind might be. :-)
The takeaway from the
Submitted by figleaf on Mon, 2011-02-14 08:58.The takeaway from the football player was only that had our teem been winning, and had our cross-town rivals not been the extremely well funded, way better favored high school he wouldn't have felt he had to injure himself on defence.
As for Jill, yes, I have very mixed feelings about her. I toadied the owl shit out of her on her new post condemning trans-phobia. Partly because it's a surprise when she does stuff like that, partly because it reveals a lot more depth than she sometimes shows, partly because I think it sets a good example for her genuinely scary amen chorus (the post registers some of *her* fright of them), and also partly because it's just good points. If I have time today I'll have a post linking to hers, in which I'll toady her on my site. :-)
That doesn't mean I'm not often impatient with her, but by and large I think she, like Heart and her Women's Space followers, Glenn Sacks with his MRA ones, and other similar "leaders" of pretty over-the-top followers, Jill's something of a moderating force... who just totally goes off the reservation as she does when she quotes some of her "first let's kill all the men and boys" heros from back in the day.
Finally, I like Lindsay Beyerstein's take on Palin: it's not that certain factions are or aren't feminist, it's whether they're good, ok, or just really, really bad ones. In this post I've sort of modulated that a but to say whether a faction is influential on the main field. My feeling is that neither the "radfems" nor the "mamma grizzlies" provide as much influence as their visibility to outsiders would suggest.
Thanks,
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I pretty much had it with
Submitted by Adela (not verified) on Mon, 2011-02-14 02:31.I pretty much had it with Twisty thanks to her rant all about how breast cancer treaments are a conspiracy to mutilate women for profit by the patriacrhy B.S. Science geek who reads knows better and that piosonous attitude is what causes patients to turn to quack peddlers and die needlesly.
The title alone, I Blame the Patricarchy, is rather clear about her attitude problem. It isn't about make the world better or equality, its about nursing a life long grudge fest.
I know what you mean about
Submitted by figleaf on Mon, 2011-02-14 13:04.I know what you mean about how if everything is about the patriarchy then nothing is. But I remember appreciating at least two of her posts on breast cancer -- one, that the Susan Komen search for the cure groups were sucking oxygen from finding the *cause* of breast cancer. The other was about questioning the automatic expectation that she should undergo the risk and pain of additional surgery to have fake boobs put back in. I happen to think there are credible answers to both those questions -- for instance there might be fewer cures than causes, or some people might *choose* to look like they did before. In both cases, though, I'm pretty sure both the questions and the answers go completely unexamined.
In other words I like to read IBTP because sometimes there really is a pony under all the bullshit. :-)
Thanks,
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The line between a safe space
Submitted by Soren (not verified) on Mon, 2011-02-28 18:49.The line between a safe space and an echo chamber is a thin, thin one - and sometimes you need it to be both.
The problem is when a space loses the flexibility to change shape for people when they need it to. Sometimes I need a safe space to discuss and debate and dissect, but sometimes it's 2am and I hate my boss and I hate my instructors and I want to blow up the Capitol, and an echo chamber helps me purge myself of all that noxious shit so I can go out and do what I need to do to be okay.
Controlling identification and membership in larger social movements based on personal agreement is laughable. No movement worth supporting is free from internal debate and dissent and it shouldn't be. Feminism is vital precisely because we're always inches away from each others' throats - it reminds us what's at stake.