Via Geek Feminism and Restructure!, it turns out there might be something else going on besides "girls suck at math" that keeps more women out of, well, math.
Skeptics might wonder if some of the [gender] differences [in engagement] among students relate to how well the students know the material. The researchers checked for that and found that, across sections, women outperformed men on grades. So the data point to women losing confidence with male instructors — even if female students know the material as well as or better than their male counterparts.
Link: Inoculation Against Stereotype (Inside Higher Ed)
Source: Geek Feminism Blog
Yes, the plural of lots of anecdotes still isn't data, but my observation in engineering, tech, math, and hard sciences -- in academia and even more so in industry -- has been that the biggest obstacle for women trying to get and do their work hasn't been their ability to do the actual work.
Incidentally, Penelope Trunk, who hasn't gotten the memo, still thinks it's all about brain differences.
One fundamental difference between the male and female brain is gray matter. And University of California at Irvine released solid data to explain why men are good at math.
“Evolution has created two different types of brains designed for equally intelligent behavior,” said Richard Haier, professor of psychology who led the study.
“In general, men have approximately 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence than women, and women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men. Gray matter represents information processing centers in the brain, and white matter represents the networking of—or connections between—these processing centers.”
Source: Brazen Careerist
Not to sound all "don't have enough white matter to do interprocessing" or anything but gray matter is what we do math with, and if there are such vast differences between men's and women's white and gray matter then how is it possible that the average woman is capable of math as the average man?
Since that doesn't make any sense it must mean either that most men totally waste 5.5x of their 6.5x advantage over women in math-a-licious gray matter or... maybe something else is going on.
Based on the graceless quality and tone of the "congratulations" a friend of mine just got from her department head after receiving the highest NSF score anyone in her hard-sciences department has gotten in years I think it might be "something else."
The something else, incidentally, might be the worthiness trap conviction men have (doesn't matter if it's socialized or "genetic") that if they don't do better than women (let alone other men) then they'll never get sex.
You can't discount the effectiveness of that conviction, incidentally, or the grown-man-panic drive it can generate when a man's afraid he's going to be shown up by a woman. Thank Rule #2 of the bogus Two Rules of Desire for this -- if we're convinced women can't find us handsome and we're afraid they won't find us handy we imagine we're screwed... or more precisely not screwed!
Meanwhile women's worries about never getting sex run along pretty different lines (again whether it's socialized or genetic is kind of irrelevant.)
No one's asked me so far, but if someone did I'd say the difference in "...or I'll never get sex" accounts for far more of the differences in outcomes Trunk and others see in science, in sales, and in startups than gray matter ratios or "girls suck at math."
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I read an article at
Submitted by Vicky (not verified) on Tue, 2011-03-08 11:58.I read an article at Jezebel.com yesterday that made sense to me.
http://m.jezebel.com/5773765/girls-underestimate-their-own-intelligence
I don't know if it speaks to your experience in school, but it did for me.
Tossing in my own bit of
Submitted by ozymandias (not verified) on Tue, 2011-03-08 12:25.Tossing in my own bit of anecdata:
I go to hippie school. The supposed brain differences between men and women in science do not appear to exist. Both of the math majors I know are female, and men and women are fairly equally represented in physics, biology and chemistry. Marine biology is a boy's club, though. Maybe guys are inherently better at listening to dolphin sounds...?
My experience with this was
Submitted by koshka (not verified) on Wed, 2011-03-09 13:22.My experience with this was guys sounded confident about math comprehension and I doubted my comprehension. It was a perception disconnect. In my last math class as a liberal arts major, I asked the guys about things I felt I didn't understand fully. They helped me graciously and confidently from a perceived position of superior understanding, and I outscored them. It was a major "aha" moment for me. This was long before I knew about studies that compared confidence to intelligence levels. I also felt bad for doing so well, took me longer to figure that one out...
Interesting, I have heard
Submitted by Marty Barr (not verified) on Fri, 2011-03-11 00:29.Interesting, I have heard about this before but I have yet to see it true in real life. On the other hand, the percentage of men that chose scientifical careers is a lot higher than that of women. Maybe puberty plays a role in this?
Take care,
Marty Barr
This could be explained by
Submitted by fork (not verified) on Mon, 2011-03-14 20:32.This could be explained by stereotype threat, with a male instructor "triggering gender".
http://thecanonball.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/get-out-of-my-brain-sexism-and-the-implicit-mind/
"Fine also details the havoc these stereotypes can wreak on our behavior thanks to something called stereotype threat. . . .
One particularly illuminating study dealt with women taking a math test . . . Two groups of women took a test comprised of GRE math questions. The first group (the “stereotype threat” group) were told beforehand that this test was designed to “measure math ability and try to better understand what makes some people better than math at others.” (Subtle as it seems, Fine notes that a statement like this can “trigger gender;” most women are “well aware of their own stereotyped inferiority in mathematics.”) A second group was given the same test but told beforehand that in previous testings, no gender difference had been found in comparing the results. Though they were all of comparable abilities, the second group dramatically outperformed the first.
This tells us that when women are primed to think of their gender, they are also primed to call negative gender stereotypes to mind (and, studies suggest, then spend valuable mental energy suppressing those stereotypes). And proven gender triggers are frustratingly subtle: they can be anything from checking the male-or-female box before taking a standardized test, being in a room where one gender far outweighs the other, or having an instructor who displays sexist attitudes. Though these studies show stereotype threat at work in test-taking environments, it’s easy to see how these dynamics can play out in life outside the classroom too."