Historiann, reporting on a surprising-to-me finding that (when taken with the usual grains of salt) suggests that the best predictor of college grade point average is... time spent drinking.
Does anyone look back on their college years and wish they had engaged in more drinking? For more than a decade, I’ve heard from current college students that the reason they “party hard” now is that they think that after graduation, their access to friendship and alcohol will suddenly dry up, and they’ll never have fun again. (I’ve written here about what an impoverished view of adulthood this is, and how it saddens me. Is it just the narcissism of youth and the students’ inability to more creatively imagine what they might be like as adults, or is evidence of the absence of meaningful inner lives among most American adults?)
Source: Historiann
She's mentioned this before, and for that matter I've linked to her when she's mentioned it. But that's because it's a really, really important point! For the record I don't think it's narcissism as much as simply growing up without a lot of good modeling of what adulthood is really like. And not to put too fine a point on it but having once been a child and now being a parent of children I think it's as bad an idea to get your ideas about adulthood from watching your parents' behavior around you as it would be to get your sex-ed instruction from watching your parents. For better or worse our behavior when our parents were interacting with us, or our behavior when we interact with our children, is not really representative of real adult behavior either whether that's outside the home, at parties or gatherings of friends, or in the bedroom.
That's not so say we just keep driving the porcelain bus after the kids are down. But neither do we just sit around and snip at each other about money or snip at our children, and each other, about chores and homework.
That's even presupposing that we marry, settle down, buy houses, and have children immediately after college. Which, increasingly, we don't.
In retrospect I've noticed we also don't immediately die of arthritis and wrinkles either. I was not immediately clear about this when I was the age most people go to college, and I'm pretty sure I was not the only young person who's ever made that mistake.
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It took me a while to take
Submitted by Holly (not verified) on Wed, 2011-04-13 07:24.It took me a while to take the two sentiments "Old people have sex, ew!" and "I'm going to be old, ew!" and realize they added up to "I'm going to be having sex for a really long time... yay!"
And yeah, beyond sex, I really did think of college as your one shot to really go wild. But it turns out that, if not precisely "wild," people with jobs and even kids still have fun and it's not all repressed "white wine and polite conversation until 9 PM" fun either.
I'm reminded of Jack, in The
Submitted by Lynn Gazis-Sax (not verified) on Wed, 2011-04-13 07:31.I'm reminded of Jack, in The Importance of Being Earnest: "When one is placed in the position of guardian, one has to adopt a very high moral tone on all subjects. It’s one’s duty to do so. And as a high moral tone can hardly be said to conduce very much to either one’s health or one’s happiness, in order to get up to town I have always pretended to have a younger brother of the name of Ernest, who lives in the Albany, and gets into the most dreadful scrapes."
See, this is why I like my
Submitted by ozymandias (not verified) on Wed, 2011-04-13 12:51.See, this is why I like my school (...or at least my friends). We have a much more sensible attitude to this, to wit, it is assumed that one is going to be drinking/watching anime/fucking/taking drugs/playing WoW/roleplaying (delete the ones that don't apply) for the rest of one's life, and it's not like the dice or the acid are going to disappear when you turn 25. "You only leave Dirty Hippie College," as the saying goes, "when you're brainwashed enough that you can take Dirty Hippie College with you."
On the other hand, the constant all-nighters, one assumes,will be making their departure by the time we get Real Jobs (tm).
I don't know... looking back,
Submitted by Goodknit (not verified) on Wed, 2011-04-13 14:49.I don't know... looking back, I do kind of wish I'd experimented more sexually while at college. And I experimented quite a bit! Abundance of alcohol doesn't diminish with time away from college, but an abundance of eager, hot, eager-to-play would-be-partners sort of does/did. Is that just me?
Nah, I kinda wish I'd been a
Submitted by pseudosilence (not verified) on Thu, 2011-04-14 12:20.Nah, I kinda wish I'd been a little more sexually adventurous then myself. Of course, I guess my caution ment that I never had any actually bad experiences, if also that my good experiences were a little more limited.
But I sure as heck don't regret not drinking much.
Figleaf, I don't disagree
Submitted by Jess (not verified) on Thu, 2011-04-14 14:06.Figleaf, I don't disagree with your reasoning, but I think there's something else at play as well - along the lines of "the absence of meaningful inner lives among most American adults". Namely, the reality of immanent wage-slavery for the rest of one's life once they graduate and enter the "real world". I only had to work part-time, on and off, in college (my parents were well-off enough to pay for my tuition and rent), so it wasn't until I graduated that I faced the prospect of having to get a "real" job - of losing the freedom of choice and carefree living that I enjoyed in college. It wasn't that I ever thought I wouldn't be able to hang out and party with friends anymore, it was just that a deep part of me dreaded the prospect of spending the rest of my life as a wage-slave, working for money, paying bills, and being a prisoner of the rat race.
It wasn't until, 10 years later, that I discovered the possibility of a different way of life (living directly for my own needs, primitively, off the grid, and outside of the wage economy) that I've felt any hope for a fulfilling future that makes me happy.