The BDSM Community is a Great Source for Concrete Advice on Applying "No Means No"

Note: Still on a happily hectic family vacation on the awesomely laid-back Greek island of Lesvos and so posting and comment moderation will continue to be sparse.  Today or tomorrow we're going to try and get over to Skala Eresou, which in addition to being Sappho's birthplace is also supposed to have an awesome beach.

It's really great to keep spreading the message that "No means no" and as a slogan "no means no" is memorable and effective. But a slogan isn't really adequate for helping people navigate real-world situations: you also need real-world illustrations and examples. Sarah Sloane offers an example from the BDSM community that ought to be part of mainstream Relationships 101.

Keep in mind that you do not need to have a reason to say no – you are entitled to say no for any reason (or even no reason) at all. It’s YOUR decision whether to play or engage in sex. You also do not need to give them a “rain check” or tell them maybe another time unless you want to – in fact, in my experience it’s been worse for me to tell them “maybe” instead of just saying no and leaving it alone.

When I came up in my leather community, I was taught that one of the things that bind us together is a sense of respect; part of that is respect for ourselves and our ability & power to say no, and part of it is respect for the other person that we’re talking with. Honesty – not the blunt, hurtful kind, but the compassionate kind – will be something that both you and the person that you’re being honest with can live with.

Practice saying no – to your mirror, to friends, in writing – and use those practice sessions to feel more comfortable and confident when you say it. When you’re in a position where you’re not sure what to say to the other person, tell them that – and ask them if you can get back to them. Take the time you need to make a decision; it’s a very rare situation to have a potential play session with someone that you will literally never see again, so there’s no need to pressure yourself into deciding. And when it comes down to it, remember that no means no – and if the person in question spends time trying to talk you into it, or becomes defensive, then that should be a clear indication that it’s not someone that you wanted to play with in the first place.

Source: Fearless Press

It's almost a cliché in social theory that minority or alt communities will be more accurately aware of their differences and similarities than will the mainstream culture they're embedded in. And that therefore they may have useful insights that the mainstream culture would benefit from. Cliché or not, the BDSM community really has necessarily invested considerable time pondering issues of peer pressure, consent, and maintaining mutual respect. Of course, Sloan's case demonstrates that, being human beings, BDSM people often need active coaching and sometimes frequent reminders. But, being human beings, everyone else frequently needs those same reminders as well.

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Submitted by sumisa en madrid (not verified) on Mon, 2011-06-27 22:57.

[NOTE FROM FIGLEAF: This appears to be a new kind of auto-generated spam reply. Don't bother responding further. --fl]
BDSM is still considered to be a subculture that is generally not accepted in today's society. It involves incorporating pain, bondage, dominance and submission, as well as sadism and masochism into sexual acts.

It's true that BDSM is not

Submitted by Mike Howell (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-28 16:34.

It's true that BDSM is not accepted in the larger society, but as a subculture, it has given more thoughtful attention to the necessary social practices for indulging particular sexual desires in a safe and meaningful way than has the larger society. I understand that to be figleaf's point: they haven't taken for granted a universal sexual protocol that reinforces inequality the way the larger, heteronormative vanilla culture has. 

It's a good reminder for

Submitted by Ms.Inconspicuous (not verified) on Tue, 2011-06-28 21:32.

It's a good reminder for everyone, and saying no can be tougher when bringing in the domination/submission aspect. Too many people will play at dominant, thinking that it means they should have full and free reign without hearing no. Too many submissives will think that they MUST do as a dominant wants, or they will not be good or desirable or submitting.

 

It's a community predicated on mutual respect and a community that effectively polices itself when people are together. It can, however, be an individual refuge for those who want to perpetuate abuse (like anything can be on a one-to-one basis, of course). The advice to practice saying no is well-given. Because one identifies as submissive does not--in fact--mean that they must submit.

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