The nasty thing about "male" or "female" libido is that individuals never have a "high" libido. Nor do they have "low" one. In fact individual people don't even have average libidos. Not even the average ones!
Instead all individuals ever have are... libidos.
Ok, actually, they have libidos and partners.
Partners who may (in fact probably) don't have libidos identical to theirs.
See, the problem we have is looking at individuals as if we were in the aggregate. Which of course is fine in the aggregate! Except, of course, again, we're individuals rather than aggregates.
This lack of absolute high or low libido isn't particularly a problem. I mean, sure, if one does have a partner, or maybe a prospective one, there can be negotiation and frustration or satisfaction or whatever. But left to our own devices we're pretty much horny now or we're not. Unless maybe we're Samuel Pepys we don't really chart it.
This, as I say, isn't particularly a problem. Except, of course, in the context of partnership. But for the most part we have a lot of social scripting and narratives for coping.
Until we reach somewhere a little north of middle age, anyway.
After middle age a certain problem can arise.
It arises out of the confirmation-bias-leaning phenomenon of individuals when left to their own devices only saying "gee, I'm horny" when they are. But never really "wow, I'm sure not thinking about having sex right now."
The problem being that up until slightly north of middle age, men are defined -- by themselves, by society, and often by their partners, as the baseline-normal of libido.
Again, he grows up never really having to think about being horny when he's not because, in the normal order of things he's ususally horny before his female partner so a) she pretty much never has to wait for him and b) he pretty much never thinks "I'd better get up to speed here, she's putting the moves on me." (You probably remember hearng narratives about men thinking about baseball statistics and great aunts to slow themselves down. Remember all those narratives of men urgently skimming fantasies in order to get themselves caught up with their partners? No, I didn't think so. It might happen but there's not a lot of social scripting for it.)
Anyway.
Somewhere between, say, ages 55 and 65... maybe a decade earlier, maybe a decade later... men stop being horny as frequently as they were in, say, their teens or even their 30s.
Very often, at some point, their partner's libidos -- the ones which might have been "lower" for the first few decades of their relationship -- can become higher.
Sometimes considerably higher.
Which, if you only notice when you're horny, and especially when you've grown up thinking sex only happens when you're horny...
Friction can arise for which there's not a lot of social scripting for coping.
If you're conscious about such things... about recognizing it when it happens, and acknowledging it... then you're probably going to be fine in your relationships. Maybe not great, maybe still a little frustrated or a little harried in ways you didn't grow up expecting to be. But still, if the possibility is on your horizon you'll still probably be fine.
If not?
Look out. Not all unexpected surprises are pleasant ones.
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In my extensive sample group
Submitted by Dimitri (not verified) on Mon, 2012-08-06 13:12.In my extensive sample group of 1, having the "higher" libido doesn't mean "sex only happens when I'm horny", it means "sex happens if & only if my partner is horny and if I'm not I'd damn well better get horny because it may be a while before this happens again."
Of course the higher libido partner can respond to the situation with grace or with bitterness. I've gotten pretty good at responding with grace.
If my libido were a bit lower, perhaps both of us would have to accommodate the other's libido at times, perhaps both would be unsatisfied at times. I don't see that as a huge problem. It certainly would remove an unpleasant power dynamic from the relationship.
I'm not too happy with the social scripts that supposedly support higher libido men or lower libido women, so their absence doesn't worry too much. From reading your blog I doubt that an absence of traditional gender scripts bothers you much either, so I'm curious about the friction and unpleasant surprises--are you able to say anything more about them?
I often wonder if it wouldn't
Submitted by Irene (not verified) on Mon, 2012-08-06 13:53.I often wonder if it wouldn't work better for the general expectation to be that women marry younger men rather than the other way around -- life expectancies and all that. Too late to worry about it now, though (and anyway my husband's only a couple of years older than I am).
But I think part of the problem is that people settle down and think, well, this is it, we're not going to change a whole lot for a while, because the expectation is that married sex is, if not boring, kind of same-old same-old (I don't get bored drinking coffee every morning, but I don't find it wildly exciting and grown-up, either). Then when they actually have to change and adapt it feels quite rug-slippy -- whoa, what just happened there? So far it's mostly been fun, though, knock wood (ahem). Given that almost everyone's sex lives could use more conscious attention, being forced to work on matters consciously can be quite a good thing.
I also wonder if Emily Nagoski's points about responsive versus spontaneous desire fit in here. If it's common for men to expect themselves to be spontaneous because they always have been, maybe they don't even recognize responsive desire as properly "counting" sometimes? (Heck, women have trouble with that.) And women may feel that any rejection is due to their getting older and less attractive, and be frustrated that a higher libido has to turn up at the same time as they're feeling gray and worn, that it makes them look a bit ridiculous. (Of course I'm madly oversimplifying here, and it could go the other way with any given couple.)
C.S. Lewis, who married in
Submitted by Irene (not verified) on Wed, 2012-08-08 10:11.C.S. Lewis, who married in his late fifties, subsequently wrote of Eros, "She herself is a mocking, mischievous spirit, far more elf than deity, and makes game of us. When all external circumstances are fittest for her service she will leave one or both the lovers totally indisposed for it. When every overt act is impossible and even glances cannot be exchanged -- in trains, in shops, and at interminable parties -- she will assail them with all her force. An hour later, when time and place agree, she will have mysteriously withdrawn; perhaps from only one of them. What a pother this must raise -- what resentments, self-pities, suspicions, wounded vanities and all the current chatter about “frustration” -- in those who have deified her! But sensible lovers laugh. It is all part of the game; a game of catch-as-catch-can, and the escapes and tumbles and head-on collisions are to be treated as a romp.
"For I can hardly help regarding it as one of God’s jokes that a passion so soaring, so apparently transcendent, as Eros, should thus be linked in incongruous symbiosis with a bodily appetite which, like any other appetite, tactlessly reveals its connections with such mundane factors as weather, health, diet, circulation, and digestion. In Eros at times we seem to be flying; Venus gives us the sudden twitch that reminds us we are really captive balloons. It is a continual demonstration of the truth that we are composite creatures, rational animals, akin on one side to the angels, on the other to tom-cats. It is a bad thing not to
be able to take a joke. Worse, not to take a divine joke; made, I grant you, at our expense, but also (who doubts it?) for our endless benefit."
my thought is men's baseline
Submitted by Pearl (not verified) on Fri, 2012-08-10 11:39.my thought is men's baseline for libido is the standard because it doesn't veer predictably like certain decades of a woman's life are likely to. yes, stress, illness, energies that impinge, or inspiring moments for anyone on gender spectrum, but I could write out dates for upcoming of which hours of which days I'm likely to spike into libido overdrive and for which weeks nothing could inspire interest.
one other factor for the
Submitted by Pearl (not verified) on Fri, 2012-08-10 11:42.one other factor for the midlife aspect is the second biological joke. just as some 12 year old girls could pass for 20 while their cohort boys could pass for 8, at midlife some men get "manopause" while women are hormonally shifting into last ditch attempt to procreate in perimenopause and/or shaking off societal suppression of permission to be sexual and finally free of childcare energies and libido consequently spiking. or so I've observed.
I've always felt that
Submitted by Hershele Ostropoler (not verified) on Sun, 2012-08-12 17:45.I've always felt that different libidos is only a problem in a relationship if one -- or, worse, both -- says "my libido is normal and yours is not."