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The Trials and Tribulations of Role Reversal as Heterosexual Couples Age Challenge the Standard Model of Evolutionary Psychology

Mon, 2011-07-11 16:11

In the course of hitting the nail on the head about sex and aging, Joanna Cake also perfectly outlines why the Unified Field Theory of pop Ev-Psych is so wrong radar won't find it.

If you are in a relationship, Sex and Menopause is a subject which needs to be dealt with as a couple. Many marriages will be affected by the female's surge of testosterone prior to her Menopause which can leave her temperamental and sexually insatiable - and this is particularly noticeable (and often rather annoying) when her man begins to become aware of a gradual lessening of libido at the same age. But it's the mood swings and hot sweats that can really get a girl down. Bad tempered outbursts, hot sweats, lack of sleep, the feeling that we have no identity of our own accompanied by the female equivalent of a raging hard-on. It's not a good mix and is the basis for a female midlife crisis.

Source: Having My Cake and Eating It Too

'Member how EPs always say men "evolve" behavior one way while women "evolve" exactly the opposite?  Through entirely different forms of selective pressure based on entirely different optimized reproductive strategies?

Try telling that to a 45-year-old woman who's 55-year-old husband's drinking, smoking, and eating habits have started catching up with him!

For that matter, in my (at least so far!) 2nd- and 3rd-hand experience try telling that to a 55-year-old man who's 45-year-old wife's years of eating right and hitting the gym three times a week have kept her healthy and seems to be "constantly" (i.e. more often than he's comfortable with) hitting him up for sex when mostly he'd rather cuddle or watch TV.

The behavior of older heterosexuals is surprisingly similar to the behavior of teens and 20-year-old college students exhaustively monitored by pop Ev-Psych professors... only with the sexes reversed.

Now if you were to tell me there was a general evolved behavior that humans manifest when they experience more urge to have sex than their partner, or when faced with more pressure to have sex from their partner then I'd say sure, sounds great!

I just don't think you can build a sex-specific evolutionary case that explains how men's and women's behaviors morph, in matching fashion, as we age.

XKCD on More Sex Than Anyone is Comfortable Admitting

Fri, 2011-06-03 13:00

Comic by XKCD/Randall Munroe. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Comic by XKCD/Randall Munroe. Used under a Creative Commons license.
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Considering the alternatives, and the statistical probability of you getting there, you should probably consider being comfortable admitting it.

Also, considering the skyrocketing rates of STI rates among seniors it's pretty clear that they need to start getting comfortable admitting it!

Why Research How Older People Have Sex? Because Not All Sex Happens on College Campuses

Mon, 2010-10-25 09:54

Holly Moyseenko Kossover of My Sex Professor has some very welcome news. (Emphasis mine.)

A friend of mine recently pointed an interesting article in Newsweek about another benefit of aging. No, not discounted coffee at McDonald’s (I prefer the stuff that I make at home anyway) – but better sex!

Just when I think I’m living in a culture possibly a little too obsessed with youth, articles like this remind me that getting older definitely brings its own benefits. I’m all about aging gracefully (trying to stay healthy, washing my face every thing) but there are aspects of aging that seem to at least somewhat dance across the minds of even my most zen friends. However, articles that boast how sexy Helen Mirren looks are a nice reassurance (and damn, she is a gorgeous woman – at my age I’d be pleased to look how she does now).

The article points out that studying sexuality in older populations is still relatively new. Why is that? Did we just believe that after a certain age, there is no sex? Sure, the way someone engages in sex may change, but they can still be an extremely sexual individual and enjoy a healthy and fun sex life.

Source: Holly Moyseenko Kossover of My Sex Professor.

Considering how very thoroughly studied sex before, say, age 25 it’s important to understand how older people have sex not just because it’s somehow “fair” but because so much of what we assume to be just plain universal and true about all humans derives from ages when we’re just barely getting basic adulthood under our belts. As it were.

Those studies that have been done suggest, over and over, that a lot of assumptions about immutability — girl’s reticence, boy’s impetuousness for instance — not to mention assumptions about orientation “fluidity” or lack thereof seem to fade as early as the early thirties.

Anyway, it’s not just a case of “but older people have sex too.” That’s rather a foregone conclusion. We just don’t know enough about how everybody has sex to draw very well-informed conclusions about human behavior — sexual or otherwise! I mean, yeah, the light’s better under the street light of college campus-based academic researchers. But, metaphorically speaking anyway, there’s a heck of a lot more sex happening in the dark.

Speaking of Which, HIV and Other STI Rates Are Increasing With Age, Viagra Use

Tue, 2010-07-06 10:33

In a news roundup Robin Marty of RHRealityCheck.org passes along an interesting tidbit

Remember that whole argument that it’s ok to cover Viagra and not birth control because Viagra doesn’t run up other insurance costs?  Look who’s suddenly skyrocketing up the STI charts — sexual enhancements users.

Read the rest of the roundup here.

The information in the article (Business Week but pretty straightforward reporting) is more interesting, with a number of sensible but counterintuitive tidbits.

First, fairly predictably, people most likely to use Viagra, not to mention people who’s partners are likely to use it, are also likely to have come of age at a time when condom use was not widespread, in part because straight people back then relied on the Pill for contraception, and all known STIs were easily treated with antibiotics.

Less predictably, though, it turns out that STI rates for men who use Viagra tend to go up approximately a year before they start taking it, and actually levels off or drops a bit in the year after!

The risk of getting HIV in the year before taking the pills was 3.32 times higher in drug-takers and 3.19 times greater in the year after, compared with those not taking the pills, they said. Users of the medicines also had higher rates of chlamydia.

Source: Business Week

It’s not an insignificant problem, by the way. According to the article

[P]eople aged 40 to 49 accounted for the largest proportion of newly diagnosed HIV/AIDS cases, 27 percent, in 2007, according to the CDC. Those 50 to 59 accounted for 13 percent, while those over the age of 60 accounted for 4 percent.

I want to reinforce a conclusion from the original report and contained in the article as well: Sex education is just as important for people in their 40s and beyond as it is for those in their teens and 20s. Physicians should be strongly encouraged to in turn encourage patients who request drugs like Viagra to practice sexual safety.

Finally I’d like to stress, strongly, that one shouldn’t fall for gendered assumptions about who’s driving “promiscuity” among older people. I can’t put my finger on a link but I’m pretty sure I’ve posted links in the past that suggest up to half of hetero men who seek medication do so at the prompting of their partners. It’s certainly the case that most of the gendered behaviors evolutionary psychologists swear are “innate” or “evolved” turn out to be highly conditional on age and circumstance.

Reality, Loneliness, and Perhaps the Harshest Downside of Traditional Older Man / Younger Woman Relationships

Mon, 2010-06-07 01:14

I’ve written both critically, and whimsically about the tradition of relationships between older men and younger women. I’ve cited Hugo Schwyzer’s meditations on such relationships with approval.

This morning around 4:00 AM a less-frequently mentioned issue… one that everyone seems to be aware of but everyone also tends to whistle past the (literal!) graveyard about… came to pass. My mother’s long time relationship with a man nearly two decades her senior ended when he passed away.

They met when she was in her early 70s and he in his later 80s. They became involved some time after his wife, a friend of hers, passed away. They’ve been extremely good friends for more than a decade. He was as smart as she is (quite a feat) and even more full of stories. He was a funny, charming, loyal, and true companion. As his health declined, even though he had admirable care, including nursing- and hospice care in the retirement center they both lived in she spent most of her waking time with him — talking to him, combing his hair, holding his hand, talking and joking with him, reading to him, listening to him, and (since she was a physical therapist before retirement) helping with his physical care. And he deeply appreciated and cared for her.

But now he’s gone. And as she has approximately the same life expectancy he did (late 90s) she’s quite likely to spend the better part of two decades without him.

Anyway, when we speak of relationships we’re so biased towards relative youth we tend to merely romanticize rather than analyze relationships among the very old. Staying in a community that thanks to the confluence of relationship patterns and life expectancy is generally about two-thirds widows of men who’d have tended to have shorter life expectancies even before factoring in their age differences it’s… pretty clearly not the ideal arrangement gendered relationship tradition suggests.

While I would never take away the deep enjoyment my mother and her partner had, nor do I automatically scorn even broad differences in age, I wonder how much loneliness might be avoided if we encouraged our children, should they be inclined to long-term heterosexual relationships, to seek more-literally, and more demographically, age-appropriate ones.

The No-Sex Class and Differential Sexual Satisfaction For Elderly Men vs. Elderly Women

Wed, 2010-03-10 17:57

Echidne of the Snakes had to dig, and dig, and dig through pop reports all talking about the “biological” inevitability behind a new study that suggests elderly men are more interested in sex than elderly women.

One complicating factor that’s mentioned by the lead investigator but not so much by the breathlessly gender-confident reporting?

One reason why older women are less sexually active than men may be because they don’t have a partner, or because their partner is no longer healthy enough to have sex. “Women outlive their marriages and their relationships,” Dr. Lindau says.

She and her colleagues found that as women aged, they were far less likely than men to be married or living with a partner. In one of the surveys the authors used, just 58% of the women ages 65 to 74 had a partner, compared to 79% of men in the same age bracket. Among 75- to 85-year-olds, 72% of men still had a partner, compared to just 39% of women.

Lindau said it here.

If you’re a woman between maybe 40 and 50, with a male partner over maybe 45-55, raise your hand if your partner’s health, his libido, or both allows him to keep up with your libido? (I’m not saying everybody’s in that boat but… it’s a fairly common lament of partners of older men.)

What makes this particularly funny, in a not-so-funny way, is all the “happy tradeoff” lead sentences Echidne tracks down where in reporters smirk stuff like “Women may live longer, but it appears men are more likely to go out with a smile” and “Men have shorter life spans than women on average, but when it comes to sexual life expectancy, the guys have the advantage.” (Um, “advantage?” fuck you, dudes?!?!)

Oh wait, and look, here’s a nifty, but related “advantage” that’s not going to show up so often in the popular press, again from Dr. Lindau.

When women did have a partner, they were almost as likely as their male counterparts to be sexually active, although they tended to give their sex lives lower marks than men did. In every age group included in the surveys, a smaller percentage of women than men described their sex life as “good” overall.

Read the quote in context here.

As Echidne says “Women tend to have older husbands and the ill health of their husbands could well be one of the reasons for not much sex even in intact relationships.” Yup. Funny how blood-pressure medications, prostate problems, and even bad backs, hips, and knees can take the, um, wind of of a fella’s sails. And, again, funny how demoralized even the most enthusiastically consenting adult can become when sex requires not only candle light and slow dancing but also… repeat trips to the bathroom, penis-pumps, and other erectile interventions.

If you or your partner still have it — and not all men lose it — that’s great. But with even the most attentive partner in the world the disappointment levels are likely to be lower. And while I’m not positive, it might be particularly wearing on both older women and older men if they grew up back when heteros expected that men would take the lead in sex, and do nearly all the work as well.

Another little tidbit Echidne mentions:

I should also tell you that this study defined sex as heterosexual activity with someone else. People not engaged in heterosexual activity were not included (which the researcher would have liked to have changed) and neither was masturbation counted. Only heterosexual activity with someone else. That’s worth repeating, because the quality of that sex does also depend on that “someone else.”

Echidne says it here.

One final thing, something Echidne doesn’t mention but I’ve noticed that pulls the above snippets into a common thread. Even today, but certainly in the past, “interest in sex” was men’s domain. Consequently, as I mentioned in my first real post about the no-sex class paradigm (The limits of “no means no”), men grow up expecting to be interested in sex when they’re interested in sex, with the happy (for them) consequence that when we’re not interested in sex we… pretty much don’t notice. Whereas if our partner isn’t interested in sex we do. Meanwhile women are expected to notice when their partners are interested in sex, yes, but… that pesky no-sex class paradigm, with it’s bogus Two Rules of Desire, leads men to imaging women don’t notice when their partner’s aren’t interested.

See the trick? A man can be interested in sex only once a year. But! If he has sex once a year then… he’s going to mark his sex life as “satisfactory.” Even if his partner mentions it he’s still go the weight of the two rules on his side. Meanwhile his female partner? If he wants sex more often than he she’s going to mark down “dissatisfied.” But! If he wants (or is capable of having) sex less often than she does she’s also going to mark down “dissatisfied.”

Advantage? Men. All over. Although that advantage might be one hidden reason men’s shorter lifespans.

Just a though.

Meryl Streep on Sexuality, Aging, and Visibility

Tue, 2009-12-22 16:41

Em & Lo, blogging at SUNFiltered say

Meryl Streep, our new hero, on sex scenes between older people: “The whole idea that you have to look a certain way and be a certain age to earn love is ridiculous. We love what we love. It doesn’t matter what shape it is. It’s thrilling to see real people on screen.”

They said it here.

I’m not going to just want to be having sex when I’m old, I want to be sexy too. Sexy being at least 50% a state of mind, a good way to make that possible is to acknowledge that sex doesn’t stop at age 25. Nor is sex with the lights on.

Streep, who (like many of us have and almost all of us will) tried 25 for a year but moved on, is a wonderful ambassador for that message.

Canonical Age Ratios Will Apply Even After Gender Equalization

Mon, 2009-09-07 19:02

Wombat of Kiss & Blog on the new-to-him “cougar” designation.

Cougars are interesting at the very least because it’s one case where women behave in exactly the same way as men. Older guys chasing (much) younger women is passé. We don’t call such men ‘lions’ or ‘striped siberian tigers’. They’re just icky old dudes. When women do the same thing, they get a title, websites and college sporting teams named after them.

But let’s not focus entirely on Cougars. Let’s make this week’s topic about age differences between men and women in relationships.

Does half the man’s age plus seven years work for women too?

He said it here.

I’d like to say I’m all for it, mostly because at least in the statistical/demographic sense it’s evidence of gender balancing. It seems to me that older women pairing with younger men has been less obvious in modern western society mostly because until fairly recently ordinary, non-celebrity, non-wealthy women were rarely in a social, economic, or marital position to make their own partner choices in the first place, let alone either to choose, or be desirable to, younger men. In other words most of the eyebrow-raising has far more to do with its novelty rather than with impropriety.

On the other hand I can’t say I’m all for it because age differences in relationships between older men and younger women, older men and younger men, and older women and younger women can be problematic not because of gender but because age differences are often accompanied by experience, economic, and power differences. The potential for problems between older women and younger men is therefore no different.

But to the extent “cougars” (a term, by the way, I suspect will go away once the novelty wears off) finally balance set of gendered age differences we can begin to look at the issues with less passion but also with greater scrutiny of distribution of power within relationships in general. Because that’s likely to persist even after we move past the artificial and induced traditions of gender imbalance.

Oh, and short answer to Wombat’s direct question? I think half the older partner’s age plus seven is a good ratio to begin introspection on the party’s parts and scrutiny by onlookers regardless of gender mix.

Senior thesis

Thu, 2007-03-22 06:48

Just how many cultural biases can you pick out of a subspecialty called seniorsex?

In my conversation with Joan Sewell I said I call my blog “Real Adult Sex” because I think we base too much of our sexuality on a) reactions, often evasive reactions, to our parents to our parents efforts to regulate our emerging sexuality and b) reactions to the intense conformity pressures of peers in late adolescence (call it high school) that, say, Eric Erickson believed is critical to the formation of adult identity. I believe that in most other areas (with the notable exceptions of personal finance and intensely personal hygiene habits) we’re able to continue discussion into adulthood and thus continue to bring further, and more mature, distinctions that aren’t centered around recalled reaction, evasion, denial, and adolescent pressure to conform. Sex? Not so much.

Not convinced? Let’s ask one question: what’s your first reaction to the suggestion that your parents had sex? If your answer was like most peoples it was either “cover my ears and go ‘la-la-lal-la’” or “I threw up in my mouth a little.”

Sorry. Chances are exceedingly slight that the gleam in your father’s eye when you were but a gleam in your father’s eye did not involve making you. Chances are also exceedingly slight that your mother laid back and “thought of England.” Instead they, like your over-30 non-hot teachers, like your fusty principal, or ministers, or the craggy old grocery store manager had sex pretty much exactly the way you do and pretty much for the exact same reasons. Even if you think what you do is pretty kinky. Yup, your mom sucked your dad’s cock. Your dad gave your mom fat, juicy orgasms with his tongue. They tied each other up. They at least experimented with members of their own sex. They took pictures of each other with old-fashioned Polaroid cameras. They at least tried anal intercourse and maybe enjoyed it often.

More to the point, they didn’t only do it till your last sibling, or cousin, or schoolmate was born either. Nor did they do it only when they were 19, or 22, or (a stretch here, I know) 31. Nope. Chances are better than even that if they’re still alive and still together they’ve done it in the last 45 days.

Uh oh, where’s everybody gone? [Crickets?] Then I rest my case.

But here’s the thing. If they had stopped when you were born, if they had stopped once, say, they left college, if they had stopped at age 29 when, according to way too many fashionistas, the “bloom is off the rose, if they had stopped after they gained a little weight or started to turn gray or their skin started sagging a bit…

... you’d have to as well. At least “for the children” if not outright common decency itself.

Right?

Heh. I don’t think so!

And neither do you.

So from whence this idea that sex for seniors should have it’s own Faith-Popcorn©-style appellation “seniorsex?” At what point, exactly, does sex become “seniorsex?” If one partner is more than a few days older than the other then there’s going some point in their lives where one begins having specialized “seniorsex.” But not the other.

Bizarrely, considering it’s got it’s own appellation and all, neither partner is likely to notice the transition. Certainly not at the point when it begins to happen.

‘Member how I said we form our primary ideas about sex in response to our parents and high school? And how unlike most other activities that continue into adulthood we rarely bring further distinction to it? The notion that there’s such a thing as “seniorsex” is clue number two. (Clue number one being covering our ears and going “la-la-la”.)

I’m just saying.

Note: In the US, anyway, the American Association of Retired People mails you an AARP membership application when you turn 50. That suggests that, in at least some people’s minds, if you’re over 18 you’re no more than 32 years away from “seniorsex.” It also means that quite a few of the 70 million baby boomers are already having it. Unless you plan to stop having sex, plan to lose interest desire for those your own age, or plan for everyone your age to lose interest in you then it’s probably not too early to start thinking about how you want people to think about you when you pass that magic mark.

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