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Coke Talk on a Completely Different Way Breast Implants May Not Be For You

Fri, 2011-01-14 23:54

Coke Talk's lowdown on someone for running down breast implants.

With your skanky brand of gender politics, of course you don’t see the point. Fuck you for even suggesting that it has anything to do with what you like to grope.

Source: Dear Coke Talk

Having been of the same opinion that fashion in general and boobs in particular were all about me -- that since I thought they looked and felt funny people shouldn't get them -- I appreciate Coke Talk's sentiment a lot more now than I would have then.

Same would be true if I instead thought implants were sexxxay.  They're still pretty much almost never for me.

That's not to say that as well as perfectly good and perfectly neutral reasons there are plenty of questionable reasons to get implants.  Or other body modifications.  Just that those reasons for questioning it have nothing to do with my personal opinion, my personal judgment, or my personal preferences.  Or anyone else's.

Phil Plait on "Boobquake:" The Risks of Combining Probability and Gullability

Mon, 2010-04-26 14:10

In case you didn’t need other reasons to be skeptical of today’s proposed “boobquake” response to (yet another) religious leader’s claim that women’s immodesty brings down the wrath of god, Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy point out a strictly pragmatic, statistical problem that…

...has to do with the number of earthquakes around the world. Here is a table from the USGS giving the number of earthquakes per year listed by magnitude:

As you’d expect, there are very few huge quakes, and a lot of little ones. We expect to rack up maybe one quake more powerful than magnitude 8 in a year, but on average we get one in the magnitude 6 – 6.9 range every couple of days somewhere in the world, and one in the 5 – 5.9 range something like three to five times every day. That’s every few hours!

And there’s the weakness in the Boobquake plan. The idea of Boobquake is to debunk the cleric by saying that women can reveal their boobs and not start a seismic event (ignoring perhaps the tremors caused by geek guys habitually running to their computers every few minutes and checking for updates). But without defining the time period, the earthquake size, and the region in advance, this can actually reinforce the cleric’s claims! Given the huge tracts of land involved, no matter when women of the world unveil their decolletage, there is bound to be a magnitude 5 quake within an hour or so of the event, and a mag 6 quake within a day.

We also know that supernatural thinking makes people see correlations where none exist, and to also retroactively assign credit after an event to something that happened before it. They cling desperately to such measures like a drowning man to a life preserver. And when the parameters (like time and size) aren’t defined in advance, that makes uncritical thinking easier. If there is even a modest earthquake today, then that cleric can declare victory. If there’s a big quake, then it’s more like sending that drowning man a motorboat!

He said it here.

Of course a table similar to the USGS earthquake table could be drawn showing the number of dire imprecations and condemnations made by clerics, ministers, rabbis, priests, shamans, and right-wing pundits blaming women or LGBT people for earthquakes and, well, everything they think is wrong with the world. Although it would be a much bigger table. Which means on any given day it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t. And as the Alice character in the Dilbert comic said years ago, “if success is impossible then… I’m… free! The result will be the same no matter what I do.” So today, just like any other day, wear whatever you wanted to wear anyway.

Hmm... If English Had Been the Language of Science "Mastodons" Would Be Called "Breastadons."

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Sun, 2010-04-25 13:09

According to this month’s Smithsonian Magazine ...

The French anatomist Georges Cuvier coined “mastodon” from the Greek word for “breast” and “tooth.” The conical ridges on the tooth in question were for grinding branches… The mammoth’s tooth was better for eating grasses.

Source: Smithsonian Magazine, April 2010, pg. 42.

So now you know.


Mastodon tooth photo by Flickr user Colin Purrington.
Used under a Creative Commons license.


Mammoth tooth photo by Flickr user jby1982.
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Russ Meyer Would Be Thrilled: My Attempt to Debunk Australian Censorship of Small-BreasAdult Women Fails

Thu, 2010-01-28 22:45


Photo by Flickr user Wombatunderground1. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Feminist* author Courtney Martin, widely respected-by-feminists* blogger at premier feminist* website Feministing* quotes Australian feminist* porn-for-women blogger Ms. Naughty by way of decrying…

...censorship prompted by decidedly non-feminist Australian Senators Barnaby Joyce and Guy Barnett. The censorship in question? Small breasts, which at least in Joyce and Barnett’s understanding of anatomy, are found only on underage girls.

Quoth Martin…

So many jokes come to mind here, but I’m going to leave the analysis to Ms. Naughty on Australia’s weird ban:

Why ban small boobs? I can only assume it stems from paranoia that flat chests somehow stir up the pedophiles. And you only need to mention that “p” word to start a full-scale moral panic in Parliament.

Shall we put such hysteria aside and look at what this ruling is saying to Australian women? Basically, it’s classing a certain normal female body type as obscene. It’s declaring all flat chests to be automatically juvenile, something that should not be viewed by anyone because of a fear that it will stir up “base instincts” in certain people.

“Can the Classification Board be any more insulting or sexist?”

Read the quote in context here.

For what it’s worth Barnett and Guy have also pressed the board to outright ban all depictions of female ejaculations and, even weirder, they’re evidently working to restrict photos where inner (but not outer!) labia are visible.

So far anyway the comments at Feministing have been pretty positive in the sense that even those who aren’t totally thrilled by porn still think impositions like this are going too far.

In fact, pretty much around the world people of all stripes are taking a… pretty dim view of the board’s actions.

So I’m going to be contrary and try to give the stupid morons the benefit of the doubt.

Opposition to the small-breasts ruling have been pretty hyperbolic and the analysis has sounded a bit slippery-slope-y so I thought I’d look around and see if I could find the real scoop.

Turns out there’s not a lot. In fact the only credible source of a pro-small-breasts-ban line of reasoning comes from the the Australian anti-censorship site that seems to have broken the original story, SomebodyThingOfTheChildren.com.

According to them the Australian Classification Board says their intention is to ban only images of underage models. Well, and images of small-breasted of-age adults if they might be mistaken for underage models.

In other words even though there’s surprising unanimity in choosing to illustrate articles with photos of actress Keira Knightley, it’s at least somewhat likely magazines and videos depicting her wouldn’t be covered by the ban because she’s known to be an adult.

On the other hand, publications the board evidently has completely banned include 18 U.S. C. 2257-compliant U.S. magazines with titles like Barely Legal, Finally Legal and Purely 18. In other words publications that expressly intend their models to be perceived as of-age adults… and who, since the publications are under perpetual threat of F.B.I. investigation, are verified to be actually of-age adults.

Which means that, yup, even if accusatory articles are hyperbolic the underlying story appears to be accurate: in Australia pornographers are now officially required to discriminate against women with small breasts.

Senators Barnaby Joyce and Guy Barnett, and no-doubt Russ Meyer approve.

\* I’ve been debating a bunch of anti-feminists who claim all feminists are man-hating, hairy-legged, lesbian-separatist, female-supremacist sex haters lately and, at least according to them this post, nor Courtney’s, nor Ms. Naughties can exist, let alone say anything that isn’t straight-up conservative about erotic images of adult men and women. So I thought I’d emphasis the point. Not that it would matter — they’re inclined to see feminism as an evil monolith than Mary Daly was inclined to see men, period, at all. So I thought I’d rub it in.

The Word of the Day Is "Part"

Sat, 2009-01-17 15:44

Em of Em & Lo: Sex. Love. And Everything in Between. passes along a great vocabulary word

Oprah loves Kate Winslet’s real boobs. Winslet jokes that they race for sanctuary under her armpits when she lies on her back, but Oprah has a nicer way of putting it: they just part. As opposed to pointing toward the ceiling like the silicone variety. High-five for Kate’s golden globes!

She said it here.

I don’t know if it’s because so many people, men and women, learn about anatomy from Barbie dolls but I’m always surprised when people say they think breasts should continue to point up when you lie down.

They don’t.

In fact, as I recall from my own teenage years, even teenager’s breasts of any size at all rarely continue to point straight up when they lie down.

But here’s the thing. When they do that thing where they “race for sanctuary” under the armpits? That’s not “sagging” it’s by design. Which is why parting isn’t just a nicer way of putting it, it’s more apt.

Score one for Oprah.

The word of the day is “part.”

Itty-Bitty Plot Summary

Wed, 2008-12-17 16:00

Yet another non-cliché mention of breasts I’ve noticed this week. Jessica of Feministing says

I was sick in bed yesterday (actually, still am) so I thought it would be a good opportunity to catch up on some movies I’ve been meaning to watch: Itty Bitty Titty Committee was one of them.

It was awesome, super fun and interesting. And I have to say, I was really pleased to see it not too far down iTunes “top rented” lists. Nice. C(I)A rules.

Read the quote in context here.

I don’t think I’m giving anything away by saying the movie is about Anna, a young, still-sort-of-coming-out lesbian who meets a group of activist lesbians. The activists work to reclaim space for acceptance and self-acceptance of women by, among other things, spraying graffiti on the walls of… the plastic-surgery clinic in which Anna works where… breast implants are a fairly important part of the business.

Finding the Right Fit

Tue, 2008-12-16 19:18

I mentioned earlier that I’ve noticed more posts about breasts than usual this week. Here’s another good one. F.F. of Feminist Finance, in a continuing series called “How to Care For Your Clothes” says

I will break the ice by telling you a somewhat embarrassing story about myself. Hi, my name is feminist finance, and I wore the wrong size bra for about 15 years. I bought bras based on the size I thought I probably ought to be. My breasts weren’t small, but I didn’t think they were especially big, either. I am not quite sure who or what I was comparing myself to, but I have a sneaking suspicion it was, oh, boob-fetishizing culture at large. So, not so big and not so small: a B-cup sounded about right based on that description. So that’s what I wore from the start of high school until the very recent past.

Ding, ding, ding, guesswork and habit is the wrong way to buy a bra. My idea of what I looked like, and consequently what size bra I should be wearing, didn’t match reality. ... But dysmorphic thinking can take a lot of different, less extreme forms, and the form it took for me was thinking that because I didn’t look like a Hooter’s poster girl that I could not possibly be larger than a B-cup. That is also the form it apparently takes for a lot of the women who appear on Tim Gunn’s Guide to Style (I’m such a sucker for Tim Gunn ), who says that in all the episodes of filming that show, he has never worked with a woman who was wearing a correctly sized bra. It’s not necessarily about body hate or even mild body dislike, but it is always about unreality.

... It wasn’t enough of a prompt that I always had to wear a sweater over my button-down shirts because they would gap and pucker across my chest. I thought that was just an occupational hazard of buying cheaply made stuff. It wasn’t enough that I could sometimes see the outline of my bra through my sweaters where my breasts were spilling out over the top of the cup. I thought maybe my sweaters had shrunk. ...I decided that just for shits and giggles I would swing by my friendly neighborhood department store lingerie department. It was there that I learned that I have probably not been a B-cup since early in puberty. Me and my properly supported 34-D’s can now quite happily wear the exact same button-down shirts that used to make me swear and foam at the mouth.

She said it here.

I strongly endorse f.f.‘s recommendation that women get fitted by someone who’s trained to do it, even though I don’t have breasts, because just before I moved to the northwest young I worked briefly with a young woman from a fairly rural area who’s starchily conservative, religious mom happened to sell foundation garments out of her home. And while she very strictly managed her daughter’s relationships (“so… exactly what are your intentions with my daughter?” “Um, I’m mostly giving her rides to work since she doesn’t drive”) she was absolutely relaxed and almost, well, evangelical about breast care. And so on the few times I had to wait for my coworker to get ready I got a living earful of not-immediately-applicable information about the importance of breast examinations, the merits and demerits of underwires, the proper adjustments of straps, changes in breast size over the course of menstrual cycles, and quite a bit about the arcane system whereby bra size is determined. And, as f.f. discovered, just how much a correctly or incorrectly sized bra affects the fit of one’s clothes.

The main upshot though being, yeah, especially considering how expensive they are and how much they affect comfort, fit, and even health, it’s really a good idea to get properly fitted before you buy bras.

Update: Doh! I should have added “...if you intend to buy or wear them.” Which not everybody does or should or needs to or wants to, and which some people say one ought not to.

Form, Formula, Foundation Wear... and Fallacies

Tue, 2008-12-16 12:46


Photo by Flickr user zmxncbv.com. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Last week it seemed like more people than usual were (coincidentally) talking about vasectomies. This week I’ve noticed more than the usual number of posts about breasts. As a result I’ve got a couple of things I want to say about breasts as well. Here’s a good place to start. Dr Petra Boynton, tipping her hat to a post by Bad Science’s Ben Goldacre

As you may know, one thing that winds me up nearly as much as dodgy surveys for PR purposes it’s using fake formulae to promote products. The formulae I’ve taken most issue with have been those supposedly identifying ‘perfect’ breast and sizes or what the ideal Page 3 girl’s vital statistics should be, although there have been formula created for just about any purpose you can imagine – anything from the perfect consistency of a biscuit through to which day of the year is the most depressing.

None of the formulae ever really make any mathematical sense, but then they’re not supposed to. They are designed simply to get a product mentioned in the papers. And that message is always emphasised by the appearance of a ‘scientist’, ‘psychologist’, or ‘boffin’ (often from Cambridge University) who will give weight to the maths. They can get pretty shirty if you tell them their formulae don’t make any sense – or have been written for them by a PR company. But despite invitations from the media and other scientists to defend their work none have so far accepted challenges to the accuracy of their formula. Instead they make the claim that they are leading the way in science communication or are using these PR opportunities to raise our interest in psychology, science, or mathematics.

Read the rest of her post, and follow the links I haven’t included, here.

We’ve heard discussion of beauty ideals for thousands of years — of proportions and ratios, of ideal weights, of complexions, of hairstyles, of curves or lack thereof, and of course of ideal behaviors. (There’s been… considerable differences of opinion, varying wildly not just from country to country or century to century but sometimes from one decade to the next.)

Oddly, according to a credibly-researched presentation I heard last winter on the history of the brassier from a fellow student in the sex ed, women’s studies, and communications course I was in, there was almost no discussion of the ideal breast size until garment manufacturers settled on a standard for bra sizes right around the middle of the 20th Century.

Sure, bras had been around for a few decades (and obviously, before bras there had been corsets that did similar duty.) But standardized bras had something the earlier bras and corsets hadn’t: cup sizes.

Industrial society, with it’s recent appreciation for economies of scale, already had a bigger-is-better attitude about a lot of things, but at least in terms of breasts there hadn’t been much discussion in the early 1900s about whether, say, Mae West’s ample bosom was superior to Mary Pickford’s slight one.

But suddenly there was a single measurement. And suddenly there was the opportunity for comparison. And suddenly there could be competition. And suddenly there could be (by-definition post hoc and easy to mock) “formulas for perfect breasts.”

10. Bite or Suck

Thu, 2008-06-26 23:47


Photo by Flickr user tapperboy. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Still following up on the twenty questions I found at Amorous Rocker of Not Your Average Chick that I decided to answer one at a time instead of all in a rush. So…

10. Bite or Suck:

Usually when someone says “bite me” they’re being… well, non-gender specific, maybe but still not exactly polite. On the other hand they also say “you suck” so I guess that’s a wash. Which is sort of a nuisance since both can feel wonderful under the right circumstances.

When I was very young and learning about sex from a variety of pre-1960 and therefore not terribly helpful medical, anthropological, and psychological texts (with the occasional almost-a-stroke-book pseudo-academic works thrown in) I learned the following about the Kama Sutra: “The book contains five chapters about what we’d consider “normal” foreplay and sixteen chapters about biting, scratching, and slapping one’s partners for erotic effect.” And yes, I’m sure I have the exact numbers wrong but not the approximate proportions. It didn’t sound very tempting** and so I generally left off all that.

My loss, as I’ve learned since beginning to read other anonymous and then not as anonymous bloggers of kink.

Still, given a choice between the two I’d choose suck. And lick. And kiss. And mouth. And breathe warm breath across spots tender and mild. The latter, by the way, seems to work as well on recently spanked, bitten, or scratched spots as not… but not in my case if I’d agreed to pick only one. :-)

And again that’s given my choice of one. A choice I’d rather not make.

I haven’t been bitten much but if it’s not oversharing once you arouse me to a certain point I adore having my nipples bitten. But then at that point I adore having them sucked as well. You hear every now and then people praising little nips during fellatio. My experience has been that it’s… not so great. The side of my neck works well and so does the very top inside of my thighs. And while I’ve really enjoyed being bitten on the arms and shoulders it wasn’t the sensation itself but the shared level of emotion, combined with a willingness to sacrifice a little comfort in the interest of not alerting parents.

Sucking though? I love, love, love fingers and toes. When I suck yours. When you suck mine. Not hard so much as warmly, wetly, and deepy… mmm, that’s lovely almost any time. Earlobes? Yours or mine it’s also wonderful. The inside of arms, yes, and all up and down the throat and shoulders and neck, too.

Breasts? I actually don’t go in so much for sucking, or at least not the classic baby-nursing style though it’s a lot of fun to slurp as much of your nipples and breasts as I can with a gentle suction and then swirling my tongue around and around. And around. But I love licking breasts even without suction at least as much. I don’t know about you but I’ve noticed most people I’ve tried it with go deeper into haze when I kiss, or lick, or stroke the curves of the breast just below and to the outside rather than right over nipples. And, as I mentioned above, there’s blowing gently over wet flesh first to chill it and then re-warm it again with hands or lips or tongue.

And speaking of lips and tongue, does anyone else enjoy licking and sucking their partner’s lips during kissing? Gently biting there works wonders too, or would if not for that darn choice. It’s always the lower lip that gets the mention for sucking but I’ve noticed the inside of most people’s upper lip is a marvelous erogenous zone for that.

And of course there’s all the different non-bite-y things one can do during cunnilingus. I used to think that eating a partner was end-of-the-world, I-could-die-happy paradise, and while I’ve gotten over that a little in the sense that I’m no longer outright fetishistic about it I still… mmm… what was I saying? Oh yeah, something I’ve wound up doing especially during side-by-side (as opposed to top or bottom) sixty-nine, you know, where you’re each pillowing the other’s head on your thigh, is gently slurping… ok I mean sucking an inner labia deep into my mouth and then swirling the flat of my tongue across the inner surface. Like maybe a lot of people I can get pretty distracted during sixty-nine but doing that doesn’t take a lot of concentration. The only risk is that it tends to really distract the other person.

As for me? Well, fellatio tends to work in waves for me (I think this is true for a lot of people during oral, men and women) so one minute every nerve ending is on fire and a minute later I feel almost numb… although fortunately after another minute it’s back to… where was I again? Anyway, when I’m cycled down it’s wonderful when you pop me out of your mouth and tongue or slurp on the large, loose, soft vein along the side. You’re not going exactly lose my attention no matter what but that’s definitely going to keep it till my tide comes in again.

Anyway, I’m not going to say of biting that I could take it or leave it — there are too many nice ways to do it to give it up completely. But sucking? I’ll take that in a heartbeat. And give it just as quickly. Any time.

How about you?

Figures of Fact and Fantasy

Wed, 2008-06-18 13:21


Photo by Flickr user mick y. Used under a Creative Commons license.

As long as I’m obsessing about breasts I ought to mention this post from a while back by Shelah, of the always interesting, no-kidding Feminist Mormon Housewives. Her last (planned) daughter just finished breastfeeding and now Selah asks a question more common than a lot of people think

Other than the navel, I can’t think of any other external body parts that stay with us after they’ve ceased to be useful. My navel, tiny as it is, doesn’t require it’s own separate undergarment. My breasts, on the other hand, continue to be front and center, even though now they are at best, a pleasant place to rest a hand or a reminder of times gone by, and, at worst, a potential breeding ground for lumps and tumors.

It’s not that I don’t like my breasts, don’t appreciate them for what they’ve done, but now that they’ve served their main purpose, it seems kind of silly to me to think that they’re such a force in our culture– that they, in the minds of many people, sum up a woman’s womanhood. We’ve had all of these posts about pornography lately, and when I think about how pornography basically boils down to breasts (I know that’s overly simplistic, but when I think porn, I think breasts), I look at my own and think, “This is what all the fuss is about?”

She said it here.

Breasts haven’t even always been a force in our culture in our culture! (Some times it’s been asses, elsewhen it’s been legs or ankles or necks. And round and round and round.)

And by the way, I’m not pretending to be above it all, not at all, at all. Breasts for me are pretty important signifiers of age and sex. Even though, at least for me, it’s complicated in the sense that, say, mastectomy scars count but “man boobs” don’t.

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