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Family Research Council Evidently Thinks It's Safer to Hang (Yourself) In the Closet Than Come Out

Mon, 2011-05-09 15:40

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Amanda Hess says

Peter Sprigg, a Family Research Council policy fellow who advises Montgomery County public schools on their sex ed curriculum, is encouraging gay kids to identify as straight in order to lower their risk of suicide. Because when gay kids identify as straight, only straight kids will kill themselves. Problem solved.

Source: TDB

What's, well, queer about Peter Sprigg's report is that it appears to take perfectly sound (if strategically incomplete) data, and even some sound intermediary conclusions, but then add a couple of agenda-driven definitions and turn it all into some really batshit-insane, dangerous recommendations.

Fact: Young people who identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual do in fact have higher rates of suicide.

Fact: The sooner young people begin to self-identify publicly as gay, lesbian, or bisexual the greater their likelihood of committing sucide.

Fact: It's really is common for young people to feel "confused or uncertain" about their sexuality in adolescence.

Fact: Despite early uncertainty or confusion, by age 25 or so most people really have settled on a lifelong and generally far less flexible orientation

Fact: Of those people end up being exclusively heterosexual.

Oh, and

Fact: It actually really isn't a bad idea to wait to become sexually active till you're really sure what your identity and orientation is.  Even if (as Sprigg may have sock-puppeted into a quote) "you are sure you are heterosexual."

Facts, facts, facts, facts.  Most not even terribly objectionable since Sprigg got most of them from an article by Mark L. Hatzenbuehler in the respectable, peer-reviewed Pediatrics called The Social Environment and Suicide Attempts in Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Youth.

But then he turns that into... what?  A recommendation that everybody identify as straight people who just like sex with their own sex.  In other words to be more like former Senator Larry Craigformer minister Ted Haggard, or even better, like the millions of other conservatives who stay in the closet and don't get caught.

But you know what?  There's at least one other fact that Sprigg pretty much necessarily omits...

Fact: The biggest difference between an out gay, lesbian, or bisexual and a closeted one is... a closeted gay, lesbian, or bisexual isn't subject to the kind of harassment, ostracism, and outright violence out ones are.  Not from their friends, not from their families, not from their teachers, not from other people their age, and so on.

Question that perpetually eludes Mr. Sprigg and his ilk: what do you suppose drives a lot of teenagers to suicide anyway?  Gee, I wonder if maybe not only feeling like you don't fit in but being told to your face by that "vast majority" who "will end up being exclusively heterosexual as adults?"  Particularly when egged on by... Mr. Sprigg and his ilk!

Naah, couldn't be.  It's gotta be them gay cooties.

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What makes me particularly bitter about all this, by the way, is that when I was growing up I was regularly taunted, harassed, and beaten up for "being gay."  Even though, of course, I wasn't.

That said, as far as I know none of the boys and young men from my neighborhood who regularly beat the living shit out of me ever committed suicide.  Although, funny thing, at least two of them died of HIV/AIDS in the 1980s.

Actually did I just say "funny thing?"  It's really not very funny at all.  Because pretending, for instance, that you're really a straight guy who likes sex with other men, and by lacking credible, comprehensive sex education that Mr. Sprigg's coven deplores, makes it very difficult for men to learn the kind of sex safety practices that best minimize health risks to themselves, their partners, and, often, their spouses.

Closeting vs. Quiet Lives: Why the Right-Wing Should Rethink Their "Private Life Matters" Kagan Strategy

Wed, 2010-05-12 05:29

Summary: a meditation on quiet practice vs. active closeting and why right-wing private peccadilloes almost always matter more than unannounced center- and progressive private practices.

In a news roundup post BarbinMD at DailyKos pointed out a ‘winger group that’s chosen a perilous tactic in its pursuit of Elana Kagan’s nomination


The American Family Association (hey, I didn’t name them) goes for flat-out bigotry in announcing their opposition to the nomination of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court:

It’s time we got over the myth that what a public servant does in his private life is of no consequence. We cannot afford to have another sexually abnormal individual in a position of important civic responsibility, especially when that individual could become one of nine votes in an out of control oligarchy that constantly usurps constitutional prerogatives to unethically and illegally legislate for 300 million Americans.

The stakes are too high. Social conservatives must rise up as one and say no lesbian is qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. Will they?


Barb said it here

I might… sort of… almost… be willing to see the Kagan nomination dropped on the “private behavior matters “ rap if that organization would agree to drop all their own thoroughly disgraceful bedfellows.

Almost willing… but only almost, not actually willing.

Problem being that the majority of their cohorts who are covert pedophiles or prostitute customers or fetishists or adulterers or serially divorced or closeted “ex-homosexuals” or draft dodgers or scam-runners or would-be bomb-planting America-haters are fakes, frauds, and, especially, intentionally and vocally vicious because that’s their strategy for trying to pass! And therefore what they do in their private lives is significant indeed.

Meanwhile, though, whether Kagan turns out to be quietly gay or quietly straight her private life what she preaches is not at all inconsistent with what she practices.

Therefore unlike a man who heads an extremist anti-gay or “ex gay” organization while cheerfully employing male prostitutes, and unlike a man who’s believed in the sanctity of all four of his marriages before ruthlessly abandoning them, and unlike the man after man after man who seeks to punish infidelity and prostitution while committing infidelity with prostitutes, and so on through the litany of right-wing, um, inconsistencies between walk and talk, Kagan’s private life simply isn’t germane to her public acts or roles!

Therefore to trade away her nomination would therefore be unjust… even though the corresponding decimation of the ranks of the right wing such a deal would bring would benefit society enormously.

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Exceptions that help demonstrate (a.k.a. “prove”) the rule: Former prosecutor, attorney general, and governor Eliot Spitzer was a rare Democrat whose closeted behavior involved publicly prosecuting commercial sex workers while privately hiring them for sex. In that case his private practices conflicted with his public words and deeds — my formal definition of closeting — and therefore it mattered. Meanwhile, rumors that Republican Senator Lindsay Graham or newly “independent” Florida Governor Crist might be gay aren’t really worth pursuing because… while they appear to be deeply conservative and therefore I disagree with them on many, many issues, they don’t seem to have exploited or exacerbated their conservatism in pursuit of deepening their closets… and therefore their private practices probably don’t belong in the public domain.

It's Not News When Conservatives Do It: J.D. Hayworth Edition

Tue, 2010-03-16 10:25

Paul Waldman of TAPPED wrote such a wonderful indictment of the IJNNWACDI tendency towards conservative perversion that I’m reproducing the whole thing here.

Via Steve Benen, we see that former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, who is challenging John McCain in the Republican Senate primary in Arizona, has some interesting ideas about what gay marriage will lead to:

“You see, the Massachusetts Supreme Court, when it started this move toward same-sex marriage, actually defined marriage — now get this — it defined marriage as simply, ‘the establishment of intimacy,’” Hayworth said. “Now how dangerous is that? I mean, I don’t mean to be absurd about it, but I guess I can make the point of absurdity with an absurd point — I guess that would mean if you really had affection for your horse, I guess you could marry your horse. It’s just the wrong way to go, and the only way to protect the institution of marriage is with that federal marriage amendment that I support.”

This kind of thing comes up with alarming frequency from Christian conservatives. For some of them, any issue of gay rights is about sex – — hot, steamy sex, so hot they can’t stop thinking about it. I’ve always said that James Dobson thinks about gay sex more than any five gay people I know put together. And apparently, people like Hayworth think that there is a tide of perversion lapping at our levees, and if we allow a crack in the edifice of heterosexual marriage, it will come down upon us like a tidal wave, drowning us with its forbidden temptations. I wonder what kind of thoughts led them there?

He said it here.

That sounds about right about James Dobson, and one suspects Fred Phelps thinks about it more than every other gay man in Kansas. Any time folks start going into lurid details or taking their proposed prohibitions to extreme lengths there’s gotta be at least a little fire behind all that smoke. Another example, one with almost universally horrific consequences are the white slave-owning men who, while regularly justifying violence against African American men for their “lust” for white women, also happened to have unrestricted and coercive access to African American women. Another example? I always wonder what’s really up when I hear of another regressive state legislator proposing one of those no-exceptions-for-rape-or-incest abortion restrictions. For instance one wonders how long it’ll be before a weeping Glenn Beck upbraids the likes of me for being all nonconsanguino-centerically privileged and just not understanding that, say, Louisiana state legislators deserve grandchildren just like people do. Now I’m forced to wonder whether J.D. Hayworth would support this petition drive... or if he’d change the subject and fulminate about government having no business interfering with private property rights. $%!#%&%

(Quick note, plus attempted guilt expiation for quoting his entire post: I don’t quote Paul Waldman often in this blog but if you’re into politics and social issues TAPPED is a great group blog and you can find a bunch of his other posts here. I particularly appreciated his post Pro-Lifers For More Abortions from yesterday.)

Kevin Spacey's American Beauty as Metaphor: Andrew Sullivan on the Toxicity of the Closet

Fri, 2010-03-05 13:30

I probably would have let this post continue gathering dust in my Drafts pile but this post by Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo about the peculiarities of gay closeting among conservative homophobes in politics made it percolate back up for me.

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In a post about arty films that at least in retrospect suck, Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon made a poster child of the 1999 Oscar-winning American Beauty. Which in an awful lot of the ways she lays out really did suck.

Amanda mistakenly thinks the movie was about the reduction of Kevin Spacey to a state of pure privilege — a narrative arc that begins with him masturbating in the shower and, um, ends shortly after we’re supposed to see him as some kind of hero for not having sex with a 14-year-old… when it turns out (surprise!) that she wasn’t as ready as he (and she) had imagined.

That interpretation of the movie always surprises me. And if you see it that way then yeah, it doesn’t just suck pretentiously, it sucks gratuitously. Look at it that way and everything about it from the pseudo poetic voice overs to the floating plastic bags to the abrupt murder to the whole he saw / we saw comedy-of-errors between the Spacey character and the dope-dealing boyfriend just reeks phony/artsy.

But I always saw it as a gay morality play where the happy, well-adjusted out gay couple represent true suburban paradise, where the self-loathing, desperate-to-pass closeted gay neighbor on the other side represents Hell, and the Spacey character’s obliviously “latent homosexuality” is the metaphorical battlefield between the forces of the good of being ordinary and out and the evil of the closet. Throw in that all slightly tin-eared representations of heterosexuality are the result of “colonization” and… well, I’m not sure that’s what the producers really had in mind but it’s a lot easier to appreciate the movie that way.

Anyway, after a bit of rumination over irony, hypocrisy and petard-hoisting, Marshall closes his piece with this thoughtful observation

...as Andrew Sullivan puts it, these are all examples of their tragedy of the closet. Not just the inability to live full lives and all the self-loathing that’s painfully obvious in these men, but the soul-crushing and character-distorting effects of a life of denial and toxic secrecy.

He said it here.

That sounds about right. It’s not the hypocrisy, it’s the toxicity that drives it.

Further Reflections on Homophobia and Intolerance of Asexuality

Mon, 2008-04-14 16:12

So… Just a quick follow-up on this and this (about homophobia and asexuality denial.)

Y’know, there’s this maxim of marketing, one that I first heard for the first time from a greasy district supervisor of a pizza chain, and nearly every other customer-relations yak-it-up I’ve seen since, and that’s that

  • A satisfied customer tells, on average, three other people about enjoying your product or service
  • A dissatisfied customer tells seven to eleven how much they hate you
  • Therefore it takes more than two happy customers to offset just one unhappy one.

Not that that did our local pizza chain much good but in the small community our shop was in you could confirm the way about good vs. bad service spreads in real time.

So…

Let’s say we lived in a society where traditionally, oh, say, somewhere between 3% and 10% of society was forced to have sex with a gender they weren’t oriented towards or else be beaten up, imprisoned, sentenced to receive hormone injections, murdered, or plain old executed. And while we’re at it, let’s say there’s another 1% or 2% of the population that, having no orientation at all, might be squicked by sex with anybody… but still faces the same old pressures to get out there and “take it for England.” So we’re up to somewhere between 4% and 12% of the population that’s probably not so thrilled about the sex they’re expected to have.

Going by the old marketing rule of thumb where people who enjoy tell three friends and those who don’t tell seven. That means we could have somewhere between 28% and 84% of the population hearing from someone or other who can honestly tell them sex — no matter how considerate or egalitarian — sucks.

That would be pretty bad, right? Eh, maybe not too bad. I mean if nothing else, social network inefficiencies suggest that there’s likely to be some overlap of the receipt of bad news. (Although, of course, marketing experts also claim that, a la The Hunting of the Snark “what I tell you three times is true” is, well, true.)

Yeah, it could be bad, if just those 4-12% of the population was out there spreading the bad news about their displeasure with heterosexual sex. But it gets worse because it’s not just 4-12%. Because in this idealized “econ 101” style social modeling, each member of that 4-12% of the population sort of by definition has a partner. Who, one can only imagine, probably isn’t able to say his or her sex life is exactly a peak experience either.

So. If you let those people blab too you’ve not got 28-84% of the population hearing about how awful heterosexual sex is, you’ve got 56-100%* hearing about it. That’s pretty awful, right? But surely some of that bad news will be offset by other news from the majority of people who actually enjoy sex… even if they’re telling you they like it at a lower rate there are more of them and so on average you’re going to get an at-least balanced view of the benefits, right?

Oooh that’s a tough one. Because ‘member how we’re talking about a civilization where people who aren’t oriented towards active heterosexuality face burnings, beatings, imprisonment, medical experimentation, and murder if they’re suspected? And how the only realistic/intelligent thing to do under those circumstances would be to stay as aggressively closeted as possible and do everything else possible in order to “pass?” Well gee, what do you think some non-heterosexuals under that kind of pressure might say about their experiences with sex?

How about “Rapturous?” “Storybook?” “Flawless?” “Fireworks?” “Complete mingling of souls?” “Just one look / Was all it took / Just one touch / I came so much” or whatever?

Well, now it really gets interesting. Let’s say you haven’t had sex yet but you’re about to. You’ve heard from a surprising number of people that , you’ve actually heard from quite a few others that it’s pretty disgusting. And while you’ve heard from some people (who’ve actually had sex and enjoyed it) that it’s kind of fun. But then you’ve heard others say, effectively that if the top of your head doesn’t explode in a shower of rose petals there’s something wrong with you. Oh, and meanwhile? You’re also in a culture that doesn’t provide any meaningful sex education.

How’s that first-time sex going to turn out for you?

  • And if it’s as great as you were led to expect… you’re going to tell three people
  • And if it’s either pretty awful or at least not anything like you were led to expect… you’re going to tell seven people

Oof! That sucks.

Now remember, this little thought experiment doesn’t measure up to anything like formal social modeling, right? But it does illustrate the mechanics of how bad news drives out the good (another marketing maxim particularly popular in “negative” political campaigning) is all it takes to make almost everybody miserable, as a result of merely trying to make 4-12% of non-heterosexuals miserable.

There just really isn’t a way to measure it so that homophobia adds up. There’s just no way to measure it so that failure to leave asexual people the heck alone pays off.

And the biggest hoot of all, of course? The thing about orientation is that the very difficulty gay people encounter trying to pretend they’re interested in straight sex is… exactly why there’s no conceivable reason to fear that gay people might somehow “make you gay.” And, I might add, the very difficulty asexual people experience trying to pretend they’re interested (check out, for instance Joan Sewell’s wonderful I’d Rather Eat Chocolate: Learning to Love My Low Libido) brilliantly illuminates why abstinence-only programs have such miserable failure rates (despite the desperate efforts of the 4-12% of the population with vested reasons for pushing it.)

[* Yes, 84% of the population times 2 would be 168, but since there’s only ever 100% of a population you sort of gotta round down. —fl]

Figleaf admits to closet-ophobia

Tue, 2007-07-24 15:05

Pam Spaulding of Pandagon

NY Magazine: Married men on the down low

And we’re not talking about black men. David Amsden’s lengthy, interesting piece in New York Magazine, “Married Man Seeks Same for Discreet Play“ discusses the open closet, where men with families are pursuing same-sex desires with abandon because the Internet has made it easier to be on the down low. These men want a detection-proof double life that allows them to maintain public heterosexual privilege while they get their rocks off.

Subject line: “MM looking for other MM for side romance.” Text: Are you tired of playing games? I am. I’m looking for other married men who have always wanted to be with another man. Looking for someone in the same situation that can keep their home life at home but still have a separate life with me.

Mind you, these are not self-loathing closet cases or fundies; we’re talking about men who really want to have their cake and eat it too. 

She said it here.

Several of Spauldings commenters mentioned that this kind of thing — men who seek all the social, familial, legal, and economic benefits of heterosexuality while avoiding any of the stigma of bi- or homosexuality by keeping it all under wraps — creates all sorts of distortions. She promoted one commenter’s remarks to the main post:

This article underscores several facts: First, that masquerading as heterosexual, not marrying a same-gender partner, is what demeans traditional marriage. Second, that masquerading as heterosexual demeans Gay identity and distorts society’s perception of it. Third, that masquerading as heterosexual is an ultimately selfish act that can conceal contempt and hostility toward heterosexual spouses. Fourth, that masquerading as heterosexual reinforces heterosexism as a societal norm. Fifth, that Gay activists are crazy if they see someone’s “right” to be closeted as compatible with equality goals. The closet symbolizes deception, shame and fear, and none of those words are synonymous with pride.

Original comment appeared here.

Those five points seem about right to me. I’d add, however, that this kind of behavior distorts not only our images of bi- and homosexuality but also our images of hetero sexuality.

Trying to live a lie like that has to increase one’s temptation to exaggerate nominally “heterosexual” characteristics and express greater intolerance in hopes of passing. Also a temptation to adopt “for procreation only” arguments as a cover for non-preference distaste with one’s spouses. And never mind what impact such cover stories might have on one’s partner and her or his sexual enjoyment.

I think Pam’s correspondent is right about the total vacuity of a “right” to remain in the closet. Where “closet” isn’t necessarily the same thing as simply leading a quiet life. And of course “closet” means coverage, often hypocritical coverage, of all sorts of offenses. David Vitter closeted his serial infidelities by overemphasizing what he felt it meant to be faithful and advocating harsher punishments for infidelity. Ted Haggard closeted his homosexuality by preaching homophobia and magnifying what he felt it meant to be ruggedly heterosexuality. Randall L. Tobias hired prostitutes while heading the White House’s overseas efforts to discourage prostitution. And so on.

In each case the denial-inspired distortions introduced by these aggressively closeted individuals harmed not only those who openly belong to the closeted affiliations, and not only their no-doubt frustrated or beleaguered partners, but also — by holding up campishly high standards — members of the groups they sometimes frantically mimic.

The bottom line, then, is that even if they’re not “self-loathing” or “fundies” the men David Amsden interviewed aren’t really doing anyone a favor. Even a “I’m straight but some of my best friends are gay” masquerade serves no one.

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