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Do Hetero Frames of Reference Contribute to Shy and/or Insulting Attitudes About Receiving Oral Sex?

Writing for the Good in Bed column at Lemondrop, Ian Kerner has a pretty good take on a common anxiety about receiving oral sex. This one’s from a woman but it goes both ways. Here’s the question and the beginning of Kerner’s answer:

[Q] I’m afraid to let a guy to go down on me because I’ve heard men don’t like performing oral sex. Is it true?

[A] This couldn’t be further from the truth. As the author of “She Comes First” (an entire book that’s basically one long ode to the joys of cunnilingus), I can honestly say that the vast majority of men that I’ve spoken with (and I’ve had the chance to speak to thousands of ‘em) take a gung-ho “viva la vulva” attitude when it comes to going down on their female partners.

In fact, many men complain that they’re not the ones with the issue. As it turns out, many women, like yourself, worry that guys don’t really enjoy going down, or you worry that you’re taking too long, or that your smell/taste might be unappealing.

Source: Lemon Drop

I think a more nuanced way to put this is to say that while there are certainly some men who don’t like to eat their partners there are more women who are anxious enough about their partner’s experience of eating them to not enjoy it themselves. And while fellatio’s near-universality in porn creates a buffer I happen to think the same thing is true for a lot of men and fellatio.

This is another one of those intuition-only hunches but I’m curious whether concern about being eaten is more common among heteros. I wonder because I’ve been thinking about frames of reference lately and it seems like it would be pretty easy for a straight person to project their own ambivalence to eating someone of their own sex into an assumption that everyone else (whether male, bi, or lesbian) would share their ambivalence.

I wonder further that self-referencing ambivalence in hetero men accounts for the unfortunate tendency to associate blowjobs with denigration, as in the epithet “cocksucker.” Which for some reason I don’t think is as common either among hetero women or bi and gay men.

As always your thoughts are welcome. I’m not sure what field of study this would fall under (linguistics? psychology? gender studies?) but if you’ve got links or citations I’d love to know more.


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My Reply for the Question "For Guys Who Give Oral Sex, What's the Appeal?" For Em and Lo's Wise Guy Feature

I’m on rotation in the popular “Ask the Wise Guys” feature at Em & Lo This week’s question was

“For guys who like to give oral sex, what’s the appeal? What differentiates them from the guys who seem to hate giving it?”

Read the other Wise Guy responses here.

Here’s how I answered:

I’m going to go out on a limb and say guys who find it appealing enjoy it for the same reasons women who enjoy it like eating their partners. It involves all our senses — sight, sound, hearing, taste, touch, and scent. It’s sensual and pleasurable the same way kissing a partner’s lips and face is. We like it because we’re right there so it’s easy to tell the effect we’re having. And because we know it can feel really, really nice for our partner. Also it’s a skill and because you can always learn something new about doing it. And it’s just cool to feel present and in control while your partner’s dissolving into inarticulate quivers. In other words, as I said, it’s for the same reasons many women say they like going down on their partners.

For guys who hate it? Again I’m guessing it’s not that different for women who don’t like giving either. You feel obliged. Your partner won’t do it to you unless you do it to them. You heard somewhere you’re supposed to. You don’t like the taste, or the smell, or the feeling of someone’s private parts pushing into your face. You have bad associations with it. You think it’s undignified or unbecoming or inappropriate or exploitive. You think it’s a necessary step on the way to “the real thing” so you want to get it over with as quickly as possible. You think if either you or maybe they “were any good” you’d both be satisfied with “real” sex, i.e. intercourse. In other words, much like the same reason some women don’t want to go down on their partners.

Just as it’s nice to enjoy receiving or giving, it’s also okay not to. Not everyone likes to go down, and not everyone likes to be gone down on. Just don’t pretend.


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Oral Sex is Sex: Since Pleasant Associations Aren't Reminder Enough, Jayme Waxman Takes a Different Approach

Summary: An article in WebMD says only 20% of young adults believe oral sex “counts” as sex. Jayme Waxman sets the record straight.

While I’m not completely enthusiastic about the close association between sex and disease Jayme Waxman of Sex Matters does use it in a good cause:

I just want to go on record and say oral sex is sex. That means BJ’s and CJ’s (blow jobs and clit jobs – a term I hope I just made up, but I’m sure I didn’t, still it’s what I’m calling cunnilingus from now on, as in from right now on) are sex. You can get sexually transmitted infections like gonorrhea and chlamydia form oral sex, and you can give and receive herpes and HPV that way too.

Read the quote in context here.

And yes, yes, she could also have mentioned another forgone association: that both giving and receiving oral sex is a source of sexual enjoyment. For whatever reason that never really seems to come up in conversations involving definitions of sex. So kudos to Waxman for punctuating the bottom line: oral sex is sex.


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Dumb Question About Oral Sex

For those who’ve done both, is fellatio any harder or easier than cunnilingus? And/or more or less enjoyable?

The question popped into my head halfway down an aisle at the grocery store while I was doing my weekly shopping. I’d been thinking about that Em & Lo wise-guys either/or question post about intercourse vs. fellatio and…

...it suddenly occurred to me that since most of my partners, especially when I was younger, tended to like intercourse but love cunnilingus I wonder if maybe it’s no surprise that so many men tend to say… they like intercourse but love fellatio. Men’s and women’s preferences being, folklore notwithstanding, more alike than different that would make sense.

So anyway, while in retrospect it seems like there are a lot of other considerations, the first thing I thought was that probably depends on whether fellatio or cunnilingus is objectively easier or harder than the other.

Rather than guess I thought I’d just ask. So…

If you’ve done both, is one any harder or easier than the other? And/or more or less enjoyable?

Thanks.


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In Other News Even Though Some Love It, Not Everybody Likes Italian Food Either

Via Rachel Kramer Bussel, John DeVore of The Frisky says in an article titled “Mouth Love Is Meh”

Blow jobs are overrated. There. I said it.

I think “meh” can be the right word. It’s not that there’s no such thing as a great blowjob, it’s that there’s not no such thing as one you don’t enjoy. (Key point: it doesn’t have to be their fault if you don’t enjoy it.)

What’s weird, or, maybe more accurately, significant, is that we feel compelled to duck rhetorically when we say it (as in “There. I said it.”) as if it was doctrinal heresy rather than a personal or even general insight.

I think DeVore, like me and like one of his commenters who said “Even if you don’t get off on mouth-love—and I rarely do—it still feels great,” are actually pretty average. Fellatio feels good; it’s hard to come that way… and therefore the doctrinal mania for receiving it comes from somewhere else.

Aside: about that “somewhere else.” Until not that long ago fellatio, in particular, was considered exceptionally coarse, the provenance of (then scorned) homosexuals and, oddly, of heterosexual lower/working-class customers of prostitutes. (For that matter it was often considered too coarse for prostitutes!**) Consequently no matter how nice it felt, nor how much fun it was to do, the barriers to either asking or giving were extraordinarily high. That, however, hasn’t been particularly true in mainstream culture for going on decades now. Yet the sense that it’s an accomplishment to receive one or, for that matter, a compromise to give one, persists. But I digress…

On the other hand the enjoyment in giving blowjobs, if it’s anything like my enjoyment of giving cunnilingus, makes a lot more sense: it’s fun, it’s a developable skill, and most important (and sort of reinforcing my point) it’s really great when you get it right. That last bit about “when you get it right,” when you think about it, belies the received wisdom that receiving oral is automatically the best sensation in the world.

Of course the same can be said, I believe, about cunnilingus… for many of the same reasons.

Anyway, any more than it’s true that the subset of those who enjoy receiving it overlaps perfectly those who’s partners enjoy performing it, neither is it true that the subset of those who feel “meh” about it overlaps perfectly those who’s partners don’t thoroughly enjoy doing it.

Point being

See also: Rachel Kramer Bussel for whom feeling “meh” about receiving fellatio is a deal breaker. And Britni Danielle who would far rather give than receive.

[** “...up to two decades ago Sydney prostitutes refused to offer French at all. The women expressed disgust at its suggestion and took affirmative action if the subject was raised. Lisa, who worked in the lanes in the 1960s, told me that at that time the guys just asked for straight sex and nothing else, no oral or anything, and if they did they would have got their heads kicked in. One girl got caught doing oral when I was on College Street (1950s) and she was smashed and left lying in the gutter.” Source: Working girls: prostitutes, their life, and social control/ Roberta Perkins
ISBN 0 642 15877 0 Canberra : Australian Institute of Criminology, 1991 (Australian studies in law, crime and justice series) —fl]


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Calculations Graphed On the ("Eating At the") Y Axis

Megan of Jezebel briefly explains what… really shouldn’t be a mystery in the first place.

Brazen Careerist’s Penelope Trunk examines the correlation between women getting oral sex and how much money they make. As if you needed another reason to ask for a raise!

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...I think it’s worth noting that societies that allow and even encourage women to achieve educationally and professionally are also societies in which women have (some and increasingly more) autonomy over their lives and their bodies. If you are free to pursue your own life, your own career and your own relationships, then you are also more and increasingly free to pursue sexual pleasure. So, I’d agree with Trunk’s editor that while there is likely a statistical correlation between women’s income level and cunnilingus rates, the correlations is probably due more to the fact that these women are increasingly less likely to take up sexual roles proscribed by traditions that specifically discourage them from outside employment and equal earning power.

Read the quote in context here.

Not that everybody sees it this way. Megan raises another point:

Trunk’s (male) editor added this:

“Let’s assume that men give oral sex only because women ask for it. That’s probably 95% true. Then who asks for it? Women who consider themselves at least equally deserving of that sort of consideration -the women who are going to be better earners because they are educated enough to know that they deserve it (both the income and the oral.) So I think they are coincidental, not causal. A woman who earns more has the self-confidence (and the self-worth, boosted by external factors like earning ability, education, etc.) to ask for oral.”

Actually, that’s an interesting argument, with which I have one very large quibble. Most of the damn time, I don’t have to ask for oral sex. In fact, I’d say that he’s got the numbers completely wrong, at least in my college-educated, high-earning single experience: 95% of the time, the guy offers, requests or just heads on down there to eat me out. (Maybe it’s because I have better luck picking lovers than boyfriends?)

I… think what’s going on behind the “mystery,” as suggested by Trunk’s editor, is that some people still see oral sex in terms of power dynamics — as something you have to get, based on some reason other than it being something most people just like to do with each other because it feels great, it’s very erotic, and just as much fun to give as to receive.

If, on the other hand, you thought you had to calculate your relative advantages over each other before deciding whether one is allowed to, expected to, obliged to, or… what?... too good to go down on their partner? Or to be gone down on? You probably wouldn’t be into it either. And if one’s partner seemed to be making such calculations? Um, yeah, that’s a real turn on.

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And, obviously, this is entirely separate from the questions of whether one actually enjoys eating or being eaten. If you don’t then I don’t see how any amount of status or savvy obliges anybody to do something sexual that they don’t care for. Even as a “trade” for something one does.


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10. Bite or Suck


Photo by Flickr user tapperboy. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Still following up on the twenty questions I found at Amorous Rocker of Not Your Average Chick that I decided to answer one at a time instead of all in a rush. So…

10. Bite or Suck:

Usually when someone says “bite me” they’re being… well, non-gender specific, maybe but still not exactly polite. On the other hand they also say “you suck” so I guess that’s a wash. Which is sort of a nuisance since both can feel wonderful under the right circumstances.

When I was very young and learning about sex from a variety of pre-1960 and therefore not terribly helpful medical, anthropological, and psychological texts (with the occasional almost-a-stroke-book pseudo-academic works thrown in) I learned the following about the Kama Sutra: “The book contains five chapters about what we’d consider “normal” foreplay and sixteen chapters about biting, scratching, and slapping one’s partners for erotic effect.” And yes, I’m sure I have the exact numbers wrong but not the approximate proportions. It didn’t sound very tempting** and so I generally left off all that.

My loss, as I’ve learned since beginning to read other anonymous and then not as anonymous bloggers of kink.

Still, given a choice between the two I’d choose suck. And lick. And kiss. And mouth. And breathe warm breath across spots tender and mild. The latter, by the way, seems to work as well on recently spanked, bitten, or scratched spots as not… but not in my case if I’d agreed to pick only one. :-)

And again that’s given my choice of one. A choice I’d rather not make.

I haven’t been bitten much but if it’s not oversharing once you arouse me to a certain point I adore having my nipples bitten. But then at that point I adore having them sucked as well. You hear every now and then people praising little nips during fellatio. My experience has been that it’s… not so great. The side of my neck works well and so does the very top inside of my thighs. And while I’ve really enjoyed being bitten on the arms and shoulders it wasn’t the sensation itself but the shared level of emotion, combined with a willingness to sacrifice a little comfort in the interest of not alerting parents.

Sucking though? I love, love, love fingers and toes. When I suck yours. When you suck mine. Not hard so much as warmly, wetly, and deepy… mmm, that’s lovely almost any time. Earlobes? Yours or mine it’s also wonderful. The inside of arms, yes, and all up and down the throat and shoulders and neck, too.

Breasts? I actually don’t go in so much for sucking, or at least not the classic baby-nursing style though it’s a lot of fun to slurp as much of your nipples and breasts as I can with a gentle suction and then swirling my tongue around and around. And around. But I love licking breasts even without suction at least as much. I don’t know about you but I’ve noticed most people I’ve tried it with go deeper into haze when I kiss, or lick, or stroke the curves of the breast just below and to the outside rather than right over nipples. And, as I mentioned above, there’s blowing gently over wet flesh first to chill it and then re-warm it again with hands or lips or tongue.

And speaking of lips and tongue, does anyone else enjoy licking and sucking their partner’s lips during kissing? Gently biting there works wonders too, or would if not for that darn choice. It’s always the lower lip that gets the mention for sucking but I’ve noticed the inside of most people’s upper lip is a marvelous erogenous zone for that.

And of course there’s all the different non-bite-y things one can do during cunnilingus. I used to think that eating a partner was end-of-the-world, I-could-die-happy paradise, and while I’ve gotten over that a little in the sense that I’m no longer outright fetishistic about it I still… mmm… what was I saying? Oh yeah, something I’ve wound up doing especially during side-by-side (as opposed to top or bottom) sixty-nine, you know, where you’re each pillowing the other’s head on your thigh, is gently slurping… ok I mean sucking an inner labia deep into my mouth and then swirling the flat of my tongue across the inner surface. Like maybe a lot of people I can get pretty distracted during sixty-nine but doing that doesn’t take a lot of concentration. The only risk is that it tends to really distract the other person.

As for me? Well, fellatio tends to work in waves for me (I think this is true for a lot of people during oral, men and women) so one minute every nerve ending is on fire and a minute later I feel almost numb… although fortunately after another minute it’s back to… where was I again? Anyway, when I’m cycled down it’s wonderful when you pop me out of your mouth and tongue or slurp on the large, loose, soft vein along the side. You’re not going exactly lose my attention no matter what but that’s definitely going to keep it till my tide comes in again.

Anyway, I’m not going to say of biting that I could take it or leave it — there are too many nice ways to do it to give it up completely. But sucking? I’ll take that in a heartbeat. And give it just as quickly. Any time.

How about you?


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Here and There Hair


Photo by Flickr user FotoRita [Allstar maniac]. Used under a Creative Commons license.

So anyway, I was thinking about a long-ago relationship where whoever got up first semi-platonically kissed their way down the sleepier partner’s body: nose, lips, chin, collarbone/sternum, belly button, cock in her case, clit in mine… and then we’d slip out of bed, slip into a robe or other clothes, and go make the other person coffee.

I have to say, a very nice way to begin the morning. It never (or pretty much never, I could be forgetting something) went any further than that. Like a lot of people she wasn’t that interested in sex in the morning, and while I’ve never minded it I don’t think I’ve ever felt deprived by missing it. I don’t remember us being particularly oral when we did have sex either — I’m sure I ate her but I hadn’t learned to feel comfortable receiving, but I mostly remember a we had a sort of slow-paced over-and-over roll where I’d be on top for a while then she’d be on top for a while then she’d sit up, then I’d sit up, and then I’d roll her onto her back and we’d be me on top for a while again.

But anyway, the memory popped into my head at another one of those waiting-at-the-stoplight moments and I got a little epiphany.

See, what I remember from her muzzy/fuzzy early-dawn-light kisses was the little skin-buzzing kiss she’d plant on the loose skin on the side of my cock. And I remembered that with her pubic hair in the way I was never able to get the same sort of skin-to-skin slurp when I kissed her. (Instead I’d have had to spend a moment first parting her hair with fingers or tongue and that would have sort of broken the arrangement by complicating it.

And that’s where I had my little epiphany about the difference in oral sex for men and women: chances are very good that anyone fellating an ungroomed man isn’t going to get his or her nose tickled or face wet with saliva-drenched pubic hair, on the other hand chances are excellent that anyone (umm… why isn’t there a Latinate word for this?) cunnilingualling someone with natural pubic hair is going to wind up tickled of nose and a very wet of face. And very hairy of tongue. It’s not a bad feeling, but it’s not the sort of feeling you’d really look forward to doing under other, less erotic circumstances.

So anyway, what I’m getting at is that while there’s certainly that whole ridiculous two-sphere gender model where if men are hairy women have to be the opposite… which means hairless. And yes that’s stupid because the way men’s and women’s body hair grows you can tell a naked man from a naked woman from the north end of the beach to the south. (Very different, you see, while not opposite is still, well, *very different!)

But if the double standard really does seem to be the biggest issue, it nevertheless obscures the point that with oral sex among heterosexuals, cocks stand well clear of hair and clitorises and labia generally don’t, and that given a choice I’m pretty sure most people, and not just women, would tend to be less interested in removing it if it didn’t get in the way of quick kisses…

... or very long ones.

Ironic isn’t it, especially in terms of that pesky two-sphere gender model, allegedly big hairy men are the ones with no hair where it would interfere with oral sex.

So there you go. A little epiphany because it’s not really a huge deal.


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Sucking the Agency Out Of Fellatio

So roughly once a year, on my blog anniversary, I link to my first ever post, which asks how anyone who’s received fellatio could use “cocksucker” as an insult.

And wow is it ever a wide-ranging insult! Misogynists use it. Fictional immigrant TV characters use it. Utterly clueless elementary-school kids use it. And I’m pretty sure there are other, possibly surprising subsets of nominally progressive culture that may deplore the word itself somewhat less than they deplore the practice itself.

I dunno. I’ve never understood it. And I could still be mistaken. But as sort of side-effect of all my agitated cogitation about agency, initiative, and the no-sex class recently I think I’ve figured it out.

“Cocksucker” has to be an insult. Because any other way would be to acknowledge the implicit agency in the act. And to allow agency for something enacted on a man just breaks everything!

If a man’s doing it to another man that’s a problem for some people because the whole point of gay homophobia, as opposed to “lesbian” homo-philia, is thanks to the limited constructions the public has to work with, when two men have sex one of them has to play “the woman” and receive from the guy in “the man” role. Which, as we all know, real menz are always supposed to be doing sex, not receiving it. So a man giving a blowjob just kind of mixes everything up especially since the active man is the receiving man and the receiving man isn’t the active man and… hey, stop snickering, I’m not the first person to observe that this stupid word game is a fundamental tolerance blocker for millions and millions and millions of homophobes.

And meanwhile, if it’s a woman giving the blowjob it’s even worse! First of all there’s still that problem with the men being receivers, yeah, but holy macaroni mosta tha time tha womanz tha active party and the dominant paradigm says even if that was possible, which it’s not, it would be wrong.

And the possibility that fellatio would ever be something women enjoyed learning and doing with all the same ecstatic gusto with which men learn and perform cunnilingus? Uh huh, when pigs fly. Whatever you do don’t leave comments saying you actually like to put Teh Cock anywhere near your mouth because, you know, experts from all over say even if you did, which you don’t, the idea that you take such an active role at all, let alone enjoy it, look forward to it, look back fondly on it, exactly the same way your partners look forward to eating you… well, you’re not just deceiving yourself, you’re not just degrading yourself, you’re not just lowering the bar for “good” women who don’t, you’re probably also oppressing yourself. In other words…

You’d

be

a

cocksucker!

That same notion that cocksucking really unhinges the universe is part of why I think there’s no comparable epithet — call someone a pussylicker and they’re almost certain to look question-marks at you not daggers. I think I’ve heard the term “cunt lapper” used derogatorily but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the “lapper” part that was meant to cut most. But nope. Cunnilingus involves women receiving and either a man giving (and so “proper”) or another woman (but harmlessly so and therefore “hawtt”) so I guess no foul.

Oh, am I going to have to say it? No, of course not but I will anyway: of course nobody is supposed to love oral, either giving or receiving, either male or female, either straight or gay, either right or left handed, either weekdays or weekends.

Update: Ok the comments so far have been just great with both intelligent agreement and disagreement. One point that’s emerged from remarks by, especially, sungold, nightfall, and m, is that a better way of putting it would be that whereas on paper the words for fellatio and cunnilingus ought to have equal connotations as actions taken by the giver, the connotations are instead not quite but close to opposite. For instance to the extent fellatio is an act at all it’s a service with the value highly weighted towards the man receiving the service whereas the actor in cunnilingus tends to receive equal or even higher value than the recipient, especially if the actor is a man. The point being that “cocksuckers” rarely get any credit because, in my view, to do so would upset people’s understanding of the nature of gendered roles.


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Life is Uncertain, Make Dessert First


Photo by Flickr user Queen Roly. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Because it’s so much fun to lick, and kiss, and slurp, and nuzzle outside the designated areas.
Because I always want to use more than my lips and tongue
Because I enjoying blurring the line between when it begins
Because I like to blur the lines between when it ends
Because one word, even such a large, fancy Latin one, isn’t enough for all it can be

There are whole worlds of cunnilingus
And only one word?
One word for when you kneel over me
Fists in my hair
Holding me still as
You rock and
Surge and
Grind into my mouth?

One word for when I catch you off balance
Catch your ankles in my large, strong hands
Turn you and press you in mid-tumble
So your knees nearly span your breasts
So you helplessly blossom open under my tongue?

One word for when you pull me towards you
And, resisting you
But not one last temptation
I slip instead down for a quick taste
Before answering your playful pull
With a lid-fluttered push?

One word for maddened howls
As I circle all that is not conventional,
The cups where tendons of your thighs join
The ought-to-be-ticklish hollows beside your mons
The rude flirtations with your perineum and ass
The broad, flat-tongued laps of enlarged halves of you
But never, no never closer
To your ridge-swollen inner lips
To your straining clit under it’s sensation-starved and angry hood?

One word for inarticulate hisses and sighs
As, play concluded,
I find my way to the spot you love best
I find the stroke you love best
I find the pressure you love best
I find the rhythm you love best
And spot you
And stroke you
And press you
And rhyme you
With nothing to distract you
But my lips and tongue

One word, for all the mischief
In the smile you get when,
My head pillowed on your open thigh, and
Your head pillowed on mine,
You mouth me deep
And I forget
And then, remembering,
And wetly swirling,
I smile that you forget?

One word for all that?

One word for any of that?

Well, let’s pretend
Cunnilingus is enough


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