dating

They Won't Pepper Spray You For it (Well, Probably Not) But it Now *Can* Be a Federal Crime to Lie on a Dating-Service Profile

Sun, 2011-11-20 19:05

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Anyone care to guess how the paragraph in quotes, below, might directly affect your sex life?

Wall Street Journal columnist Eric Felten points out a fascinating problem with the new federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which intentionally or not, makes it a pretty severe crime to fail to follow (for instance) any of the conditions set out in Apple's seventeen thousand word terms of service agreement that you have to click in order to download an iPhone app or iTune MP3.

No. Federal prosecutors aren't very likely to bring charges. But it's still interesting to note that if the obscenely over-stated law is not overturned or amended that...

As it stands, the statute allows punishment of anyone who "exceeds authorized access" to any computer. According to critics of the law, such as Prof. Kerr (himself once a computer-crime prosecutor at the Justice Department), that vague and broad statutory language makes it a federal offense to violate any Terms of Service agreement. Take the user compact for the dating site Match.com, which states "You will not provide inaccurate, misleading or false information…to any other Member." At the congressional hearing this week, Prof. Kerr argued that, given people's natural propensity to fudge when cataloging their physical assets, "Most Americans who have an Internet dating profile are criminals under the Justice Department's interpretation of the CFAA."

Source: bookofjoe

Postscript note for any anti-government conservatives in the audience. The term you're looking for here isn't "government-bureaucratic overreach," it's "regulatory capture by industry."

Via Joe Stirt,

On "Red Flag" vs. "Shallow" Dealbreakers, the Place for Critizism of "Shallow" Dealbreakers, and What About Men's Dealbreakers?

Sun, 2011-09-11 08:53

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Here's Lynn Gazis-Sax on the recent dealbreaker meme. Pointing out, correctly, that there's probably no controversy about what she calls "red flag" dealbreakers, and there shouldn't be much of an issue with "we don't share the same values" dealbreakers (say, a collector and a declutterer) there are also "shallow" dealbreakers. About which she has some great points (emphasis hers):

Finally, there are the “shallow” dealbreakers, the ones that involve looks, hobbies, tastes, etc. Now, the thing about shallow dealbreakers is that several things are true:

  • You have the right to have any dealbreaker you darn well please.
  • That “right” doesn’t mean a right never to be criticized for your dealbreakers (and it especially doesn’t mean a right never to be criticized for your dealbreakers if you announce them in a particularly rude way). It does mean that, once the deal is broken, the person you’re not going to date needs to accept no for an answer, and it does mean that at a certain point you get to tell people to butt out of your business.
  • You should, in fact, not date anyone you don’t want. That applies even if the reason you don’t want him is contrary to other people’s values. It also applies if the reason you don’t want him is contrary to your own values. If, for instance, you really, really wish you could be sexually attracted to men (because your faith won’t allow you to sleep with other women), but you’re actually only attracted to women, it’s not fair to pick a guy you’re not attracted to and date him anyway. For as long as your attractions and your faith are in conflict, suck up and be abstinent; at least that way, you don’t wind up imposing on some unhappy man who would have liked a woman who actually found him attractive.
  • At the same time, some “dealbreakers” may turn out to be more malleable than you thought they were. Sometimes people’s attractions even change (though the one about which sex you’re actually attracted to seems to be, if at least partly mutable for some people, pretty darn resistant to deliberate change). If you’re not happy with the men you’re actually choosing, you may want to rethink your choices. That might mean caring less about how a man dresses, or deciding that values are dealbreakers but tastes are fungible. The point here, though, isn’t to “settle” (and it isn’t that no one gets to have any “shallow” dealbreaker – see above about how you’re doing no one any favors if you date people you can’t find attractive); it’s to pick useful standards, ones that actually bring you a happy relationship, rather than being more exacting about things that matter less than about things that matter more.

Source: Noli Irritare Leones

I think the second point nicely handles, say, Jill Filipovic's defense of "shallow" dealbreakers while making sense out of Rebecca Watson's reservations about mocking those you've declined to date for "shallow" dealbreaker reasons.  While also nicely handling the case where when it's a woman who balks over a "shallow" dealbreaker it instantly stops being about the shallowness and turns into zomg there'sfeminernazifemalebichesusingwordsonmyinternetsmakeitstopppsss!!!!

But I digress.  One peculiarity in the discourse is an assumption that it's generally women who wield the dealbreakers.  Actually that's not all that peculiar in and of itself.  Inside the dominant paradigm where men are supposed to initiate and women are only supposed to accept or decline it makes sense that women's dealbreakers are visible (it's easy and almost inevitable to wonder "why did you say no") whereas men's are invisible (it's almost impossible to imagine anyone saying "why did you just not ask me out just then?")  And therefore inside the dominant paradigm it follows that there would be talk of shallow "gatekeeping" but none about the often equally shallow... I dunno... call it "gate passing."

What I don't get so much is how much of the conversation hasn't mentioned, or mocked, shallow gate passing.  (Note: if I was feeling more strident I'd mention how this is yet further another still instance where we men have the wind at our backs.)

Because it seems like the Lynn's points about dealbreaking apply equally to both responding to and initiating relationship overtures.

Amanda Marcotte on Using Access to Gawker Media to Snub Someone She Didn't Want to Date (But Went Out With Him Again Anyway)

Thu, 2011-09-01 15:37

Note: Revised title -- initially I said she asked him out for the lunch date. --fl

I really like Amanda Marcotte's take on the recent brouhaha over Alyssa Bereznak's snobby link-spam post for Gawker Media about snubbing a millionaire she met on OKCupid because he's a Magic: the Gathering gamer. (And since Gawker pays her on a per-hit basis I'm not linking to it.)

Anyway, Amanda said

The problem I saw in the reaction in comments on the post and elsewhere was that all the various issues with this post were getting tangled up and people were getting confused about what was okay about this and what was fucked up.  So, for clarity's sake, I'm going to list what are the three entirely separate questions that this post brings up, and weigh in on how they're different issues and shouldn't be confused.  The questions were:

1) Was Bereznak wrong to reject Finkel on the grounds of dweebiness?

2) Was Bereznak wrong to go onto Gizmodo and tell the story, using Finkel's name?

3) Was Finkel wrong to "forget" to mention that he spends most of his free time playing Magic on his OK Cupid profile?

...

[M]y answers to these questions are:

1) Absolutely not.

2) Yes, and this is the real cruelty.

3) Yes, but.....

Source: Pandagon

The "yes but" being that Bereznak says Jon Finkel effectively lied on his OKCupid profile by failing to disclose that he's a big gamer (actually a really big gamer, though mostly retired from the game.) Amanda's position, and that of most right-thinking people, is big f-ing deal.

She doesn't mention it but it sounds like he also "lied" by failing to disclose that he's also independently wealthy because he evidently took his MtG card-playing skills to one of those pro poker tournaments and won three and a half million dollars. But I digress.

 

As Amanda says

Where Bereznak really shit the bed is with #2. There's no reason on god's green earth to name the guy in your post. Now this post is going to be in Google searches for his name. I can't for the life of my understand why she thought using his name was appropriate. It's just as good a story without naming him. In fact, it's a better story, because the moral of her story---be upfront about pertinent information on your dating profile---comes across as a more universal lesson when you're discussing an anonymous date. It's easier for any of us to project ourselves into the situation that way.

Actually I'm inclined to disagree about who's most damaged by the post. Finkel's a minor legend in a major "sport" (if you call poker a sport) and a major legend in a minor one. His public response to Bereznak's hit piece is kind of awesomely temperate. And years from now the story is likely to be no more than one of those quirky "did you know" asides in a larger write-up about him.

Bereznak, on the other hand, comes off looking like a jerk for snubbing a gamer (and publicly calling him a dweeb, an "infiltrator" and making various other nasty aspersions about anyone who's a) a nerd and b) trying to date women. That seems to be what's bugging most people about the piece. But what seems more significant to me is that whereas after the first date she Googled him long enough to find out he was a Magic champ she didn't go any further before expressing her repulsion. Instead he sounds like a moderately interesting man with a very interesting history. Which seems like completely unprofessional behavior for a nominal blogger for Gizmodo. That too is now enshrined in Google's archives. That won't be a problem as long as she stays with Gawker Media -- she and they seem like a perfect match! It might be a problem if she tries to find work with a credible media outfit. Being a smug jerk isn't really much of an impediment to good journalism. Being a jerk and a bordering-on-incompetent researcher doesn't look so great.

Pickup Artists May Need to Avoid Germany... Assuming This Gender-Preference Research Applies Only to Germans of Course

Sun, 2011-03-20 12:40

In a post titled "Germans prefer looks over wallet size," Patrick Morgan has some very bad news for sundry rump evolutionary psychologists, pickup artists, and all-round cranky misogynists (emphasis his)

Results of an explorative empirical study on human mating in Germany: handsome men, not high-status men, succeed in courtship.

Recent research on human mating depicts men as searching for physical attractiveness (PA) and women as searching for status.

...

Surprisingly, the answers given by male and female subjects regarding sociosexual behaviour and mating preferences are predominantly congruent. Sex differences among preferences for good looking and high-status partners were small or even insignificant. Lower educated subjects had considerably higher status preferences than higher educated individuals. In both sexes, PA was much more preferred in a potential partner than status. For both sexes, physical appearance was decisive for the subject’s dating attractiveness.

Source: Discover Blogs NCBI ROFL

Actually it's surprising if and only if you fall for the first bogus Rule of Desire. If you do then you're going to be a lot more comfortable believing that women are more attracted to money or power than to, you know, physical desirability.

If you're over all that then you're probably going to be even more comfortable with (yet, still, further) confirmation that both men and women are human beings.

Em & Lo Ask Readers For Beginning-Relationship Gift Ideas

Sat, 2011-01-29 06:25

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Someone wrote into the "Your Call" line at Em & Lo asking

Dear Em & Lo,

I’ve been dating a great girl for a few weeks now (yes, we’ve had sex, it’s awesome). I’m just not sure what to do for Valentine’s Day. I don’t want to do anything cheesy or cliche, but I don’t want her to be disappointed that she didn’t get the whole Valentine’s shebang either. I also don’t want to rush things, or make her think that any gesture is an unspoken confession of my undying love. I mean I like her, but I’m not quite at the “I love you” stage, at least not yet. So what should I do for the 14th?

– Big Heart

Source: Em & Lo

The point of their Your Call post is to give readers a chance to give their own advice. I passed along some advice that was given to me under very similar circumstances:

Your mileage may vary tremendously but the best new-relationship present suggestion I ever got was “bath salts and tub toys.” (I mean toy toys, not sex toys.) The further admonition was “and don’t break the bank.”

Like you and your partner we were at roughly the six week mark where it was too early to really go over the top, but far enough in that I really wanted to let her know I cared.

While I admit it wasn’t my idea it felt great exercising my creativity around town looking for genuinely interesting toys and really nice bath bubbles and salts.

And, again keeping in mind that mileage varies, it was a great suggestion because 20 years later we’re still together.

If you've got your own suggestions for an early-but-important relationship gift post your idea in a comment.

Politics, it's Made Out of People -- Ezra Klein on Making Real Gabrielle Gifford's Wonderfully Ordinary Humanity

Fri, 2011-01-14 12:15

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My respect for Ezra Klein has always been high.  Now it's through the roof.

...the single hardest thing I've read about the shooting in Tucson, the piece that made me angriest. It's a 2007 New York Times “Vows” column about the marriage of Gabrielle Giffords and Mark Kelly. This is the part I can't get out of my head:

"They began a long-distance phone and e-mail friendship during which she would sometimes coach him on dating other women. ('Call her the next day to say thanks, even if you didn’t have a great time,' she once said.)"

Gabrielle Giffords is a real person. She's been on bad dates. She's wondered why men didn't call her back. She has slightly old-fashioned ideas about courtship. She isn't just a symbol of democracy or civility or senseless violence.

It seems like the job of the writer in these situations is to search for some meaning, or try to counsel calm, or try to rationally analyze the various ways the country is reacting to the tragedy. But that's not how I feel. The shooting was awful and it makes me sick to my stomach whenever I think about it for too long and nothing will put it right and it's not like human beings have suddenly paid off their cosmic debt: More bad things will happen to good people in the future.

Source: Ezra Klein

The focus of politics may be... well... polity and not any individual human being.  But Klein gets that for all that, politics is still made out of human beings.  Good for him.

Phrases I Rarely Imagine Typing: Sound Dating Advice From Alex Tabarrok May Help Explain Pick-Up Artist Successes

Wed, 2011-01-12 15:51

So the other day most recent OKTrends, which routinely analyzes OKCupid's dating-site user statistics, came up with the paradoxical finding that, at least for women who are contacted by men, it seems that women who are rated beautiful by some men and unattractive to others are contacted more often than women who are uniformly rated beautiful. Or universally rated cute.

Economist Alex Tabarrok closed his analysis of the analysis with an uncharacteristically acute observation about rules of attraction.

In the marriage market what you want is not so much to increase your attractiveness to the average person but rather to the one person who will  cherish your unique features. Thus--conditional on attracting a decent number of suitors from a reasonable pool etc.--what you want to do is accentuate your unique features even if doing so reduces your average ranking. In short, heteroscedasticity makes you hot.

Source: Marginal Revolution

I think that's a wonderful insight. I also think it may illuminate the one genuinely positive benefit of so-called "pickup artist" techniques: inducing yourself to make contact with more people than you might naturally be inclined to do. Because I think that more than any specific "technique" is the actual "trick." (To the extent they don't actively antagonize women, e.g. "make the ho say no," PUA "tricks" may be useful for conversation starting. But I'm almost certain that graduates of, for instance, Dale Carnegie courses are going to be more universally successful.)

Update: Incidentally, when I mentioned Dale Carnegie a minute ago I wasn't damning with faint praise. It's an awesome course not only for public speaking or self-esteem but for developing genuine, generous interest in other people -- the key, incidentally but non-trivially, to its promise to help you "win friends and influence people." It's pretty good stuff.

Em & Lo on Rejecting Romantic Overtures: It's a Lot Easier to Be Polite About it if You've Ever Reversed Roles

Sat, 2010-12-18 09:57

As usual these days I'm decades behind in my reading.  But just in case you haven't seen it, or perhaps have forgotten it, I just want to give a big shout to Em & Lo for their December 2 post about how to politely reject overtures.  What's golden is the perspective (and advocacy) they bring to it for hetero men and women.

A note to straight guys: You are less frequently hit on, and thus you have less practice at rejecting an unwelcome pick-up. Which means you’re frequently awkward and weird about it. But women especially need to be encouraged in their attempts at seduction — if only because you guys are constantly complaining that they don’t make the first move often enough! Don’t go along with a hook-up just to avoid hurting her feelings, but don’t treat her like a desperate Donna either. She’s not desperate for hitting on you (who made off with your self-esteem, anyway?), she just knows what she wants and goes after it when she wants it. And ladies, don’t take it personally if he blows you off rudely; he’s just had less practice than you.

A note to the straight gals: You are less frequently the picker-upper, and thus you’re less familiar with the sting of rejection. (Which is why all of you should attempt at least one pick-up to experience it first-hand, in the same way we should all wait tables at least once in order to empathize with servers the world over.) Approaching a stranger in a bar takes more bravery than root canal surgery or listening to a Celine Dion album in its entirety. So be gentle, ladies. And guys, don’t take it personally if she blows you off rudely; she’s just heard a lot of dirty catcalls and cheesy pickup lines in her time and is used to putting up walls.

Source: Em & Lo

It's true -- once you've been part of a pickup situation where the traditional gender roles are reversed you get not only a ton of perspective but also a great deal of sympathy.

Also it's just a darn good idea to kick to the curb most of the assumptions underlying the he asks / she answers tradition of dating.  They were really nasty assumptions back when we could assume that nearly any man had more economic and social power than nearly any woman.  And while it's 100% true that we don't yet have real gender parity it's also 100% true that the difference is small enough that the nasty logic of tradition no longer holds.

Carolyn Hax Paradox: If You Insist Women Only Date Assholes Then Why Are You Alone on a Saturday Night?

Mon, 2010-10-11 11:48

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Image: Scott Meyer’s Basic Instructions Oct. 7, 2010

Amanda Hess atThe Daily Beast, channelling syndicated advice columnist Carolyn Hax, tightens a too-common fallacy to the point where the logical flaw practically falls in your lap

If you think women only date assholes, you’re wrong; you are an asshole, and they aren’t dating you.

She said it here.

I would add that if you think women are gatekeepers you’re probably going to be gate-kept. And if you treat women as if they’re incredibly picky and hard to please then they’re probably going to be incredibly picky and hard to please. And if you think you have to lie to women to get them to give you the time of day then you’re going to have to lie before they’ll give you the time of day.

It goes both ways, of course. If you say “all men are assholes” then chances are awfully good you’re an asshole too, which is why non-assholes steer clear. And if you say “where are all the quality men” you may not like that answer either.

I say this with some confidence because if you look around in the world you’ll notice there are practically scandalous numbers of perfectly nice people who manage to meet each other and form functional relationships.

The interesting thing, I’ve noticed over the years, is that if you query those nice people in good relationships they’ll often express surprise that people think their relationships are exemplary. It’s not that they think they’re bad, it’s that they, like most humans, probably spend more time thinking about the subset of things about themselves or their partners or their relationships that aren’t working rather than the parts that are. But they generally don’t think of their partners as assholes or gatekeepers. And this would generally be because they’re not assholes.

Have I mentioned that there’s an incredible amount of really universal relationship insight in Dossie Easton and Janet Hardy’s The Ethical Slut: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships & Other Adventures? It shouldn’t be a surprise that a book about having multiple relationship would be full of relationship advice. You just might not have thought it would be applicable to finding one-on-one relationships as well. Until, perhaps, you get that every relationship, whether serial or simultaneous, is fundamentally one-on-one.

The Easton/Hardy paragraph might sound like a digression from a post that boils down to a reminder that “if you’re bored you must be boring.” Except that one element they stress over and over is taking responsibility for your own part in relationships. Including the parts that keep you insisting what everybody else’s role is (asshole, gatekeeper) without taking responsibility for yourself.

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