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Who's More Likely to Force Jailed Fathers to Pay Child Support, Feminists or Anti-Feminists?

Despite being really, really not fond of MRAs Amanda Marcotte is actually pretty ardent about her support for men. Case in point: while she things divorced and separated men still support their children she also thinks it's evil to force indigent and imprisoned men to pay it.

There's a twist to the story, below, that I think makes the point that traditional, conservative anti-feminists are far more brutal to men than even the dead, white "radfems" of the decidedly radical 1970s. Emphasis mine.

But throwing men in jail for not paying child support is just stupidCharging men who are in prison and literally cannot make the money to pay child support for child support is just stupid. These are policies that not only hurt men that might very well intend to pay child support but can’t, but it doesn’t actually do anything to get the child support paid.  Men who can’t make money can’t pay child support, and being behind bars pretty much means you can’t hold a job.

I realize [expletive deleted] blame feminists for this, but it’s worth pointing out these backwards, punitive laws tend to be in place in anti-feminist, conservative states.  The reason behind them isn’t “feminazis out to get paid”.  It’s actually because conservatives believe that mothers are on public assistance not because they’re poor, but because they’re not married.  They still subscribe to this ridiculous notion that Mom + Dad + Baby = No Problems Ever Again, and figure that if people are struggling financially, it’s because they’re sexual deviants.  And so their child support laws are geared not towards making sure men pay for their children so much as punishing people for not being married, and punishing people for being poor.  It’s no good for the mothers, either, because they’re often expected to go to great lengths to try to get the money from the fathers before they’re permitted to get public assistance to feed their children. This is all rooted in a highly punitive view of gender roles and responsibilities, and no one benefits from it.

Source: Pandagon

I think that's about right. It is evil to hold non-custodial parents (it's not just men) responsible for child support if they're simply and legitimately unable to pay. It's particularly evil to use child support as just another way for legislators and prosecutors to pile on punishment than either law, justice, or (more to the point) penal theory would otherwise allow. And finally, as Amanda makes clear, it's also evil for social service agencies to refuse to provide assistance for children and their custodial parents (usually but not always women) when the primary-earning parent (usually but not always men) are also indigent. Or in jail.

But do check remember that not only do such laws tend to be more draconian in jurisdictions where feminism has less influence, many or most of those laws predate feminism by decades!

So once again, who really hates men? And if you were genuinely interested in men's rights, against whom would you rationally expend most of your efforts to resist their influence? In fact, who might you most logically want to form alliances to combat such oppression?

Oh, and last point?  At least in progressive jurisdictions legislators and courts, legislators, and society in general are all at least sympathetic to two crucial-to-men's-rights issues.

1) That divorce law and child support aren't strictly gendered, such that it's not enshrined that mothers stay home with children and fathers are responsible for all financial support, with the result that if a mother abandons her children or if a mother has more financial resources than the father then child support can go the other way, and

2) That opportunities exist for women such that they are economically, socially, politically, and legally capable of earning a living wage and supporting themselves and their children... or even their children and their ex-husbands if the husbands instead provided most of the primary care.

Items #1 and 2 aren't fully distributed yet, even in progressive, feminist-friendly jurisdictions, but they're a lot further along than in conservative, feminist-antagonistic ones.  Thing is, though, that traditional anti-feminists don't want women to have equal rights (these days they don't seem to want women to have rights at all!)  Such jurisdictions actively don't want men providing anything but financial support for their children (ok, maybe laudably beating them with their belts "when your father gets home.")  But sure as shittin' you're not going to find many feminists who want that for themselves or men.

 


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Obama Administration Proposes Requirement That Child-Support Dollars Should Be Used to Support Children

Monica Potts says

Somehow I missed this, but Obama's proposed Department of Health and Human Services budget would provide money to states to pass through more child support payments directly to families: Many states take a big hunk off enforced child support payments to recoup the cost of enforcement. It's a draconian practice that is especially hard on low-income fathers and mothers. Fathers with low-paying jobs struggle to make the payments, and less of it goes to their children. That is, after all, against the whole point of child support.

Source: TAPPED

Considering what a contentious issue child support is, and what its actual intention is (hint: to provide support for children!), this proposal seems like an all-round laudable no-brainer of a great idea.

And since it is a good idea you can expect New Red Menace Republicans to shut down the government before allowing it to pass.


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Structural Advantage Might Sometimes Be a More Accurate Term Than Sexism

In my broader social environment where there are fairly decent numbers of professional women heads of households and either lower-earning or outright stay-at-home men anyway, I’ve noticed that the phenomenon currently known as “male mid-life crisis” might instead be an artifact of structural advantage and/or senses of stress, frustration, or entitlement, or even existentialist despair.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not disputing the characterization of male mid-life crisis. It’s at least historically apt. But historically the distinction between “male” and “primary breadwinner” was effectively nil.

To the extent that continues to change… to the extent we begin to see more heterosexual couples in households where there’s not just income and status parity but reverses of the historical norm… I think you’re going to see a shift away from certain assumptions we make about behavior we’ve historically assumed to be gendered male or gendered female.

The behaviors we’ve been (correctly!) attributing to male gendered behavior is perfectly apt. But, I’m going to argue, that’s much more because that’s how we’ve tended to construct it: as male behavior! What I’m going to say is you’re still going to see the same behavior. And in households that conform to social expectations about “male” breadwinner and “female” domestic partners I think you’re going to keep right on seeing those things. And, face it, that’s going to continue to be the majority experience at least until the boomers pass on. But in households where the “male” breadwinner happens to be a woman… I think you’re going to see the same behavior in those households as well.

If you’re skeptical that’s fine. I think, though, that you’ll agree that if there haven’t been enough counterexamples to support my claim there’s… also not been enough counterexamples to… support your counterclaims.

My currently still-anecdotal but perhaps more finger-on-the pulse experience makes me pretty sure I’m going to turn out to be right — that many of the virtues and vices of domestic roles that we construe as gendered are instead structural dynamics and comparative advantage.

We’ll see.


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Remembering and Respecting the Partner You First Met Helps Keep Dying or Dead Relationship in Perspective

While talking about the ethics of “revenge porn,” a.k.a. the intentional release of sexual images of former partners, Coke Talk makes a universal point about relationships.

There are certain things you just don’t do. Ever.

Violating the trust of an intimate partner is right at the top of that list, and yes, for the purposes of those sex tapes, she will always be your intimate partner.

I want you to think back to a time when you were head over heels for her. Remember that woman? No doubt, she was crazy beautiful and wild as fuck. You loved the shit out of her. You shared a level of intimacy you’d never before thought was possible, and there were moments when you were sure you’d spend the rest of your lives together.

Have you got her in your head? Do you see her, the way she used to be? That’s the girl you’ll be betraying if you make those videos public, the one you loved.

Don’t do it, man. You can never get your integrity back.

She said it here.

In this singular instance she’s answering a question from a man and so she answers about a former female lover. The larger point, though, is that yes, exactly, the person you’ve broken up with — the person you betrayed or who betrayed you, the person you just don’t mesh together with anymore, the person you no longer think you recognize, is still the same person you fell in love with.

Even better news? You’re still the person he or she fell in love with.

Yeah, we move on. Yeah, times change. And yeah, “in sickness and in health, for better or worse, as long as ye both shall live” isn’t as realistic in life as it looks in black and white.

That the original question was specifically about “revenge porn” and not any of the other ways, large and small, we take it out on our former partners is pretty much beside the point. You loved them once. If you want to love again you’ll remember loving them. And love them, or at least respect them, for who they were.

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This is not, incidentally, so much woo-woo musing. It’s based on Esther Perel’s perfectly serious, and I think seriously productive, relationship theory: in contemporary partnerships, especially contemporary marriages, love doesn’t “fade,” but instead grows overlain with more and more collateral responsibilities and dependencies. Or, to switch metaphors, as mutual obligation and accommodation accumulates the boats that are our relationships can become dangerously overloaded… in the hardest cases the become so overloaded the partners can scarcely move for fear of capsizing.

If you’re interested, Perel’s book, Mating in Captivity: Unlocking Erotic Intelligence, offers lovely insights that I think can really help stabilize and strengthen relationships.


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Homophobic "Defense of Marriage" Types Curiously Also Oppose Making it More Difficult to Divorce

Note: Some stories don’t fade over time. I’m not sure why I didn’t post this last December when it was still current, but… it’s annoying enough to be worth posting now.

The typical “gotcha” story’s already been circulated so I won’t go into much detail, but on the proposal to “protect” marriage in California even more than the loathsomely homophobic Proposition 8 did by outlawing divorce, I thought BarbinMD of Daily Kos did a great job interpolating her comments with a Associated Press newswire story

“Since California has decided to protect traditional marriage, I think it would be hypocritical of us not to sacrifice some of our own rights to protect traditional marriage even more,” the 38-year-old married father of two said.

Shockingly, the group that led the fight against gay marriage in California isn’t supporting Mr. Marcotte’s efforts:

As much as everyone would like to see fewer divorces, making it illegal would be “impractical,” said Ron Prentice, the executive director of the California Family Council who led a coalition of religious and conservative groups to qualify Proposition 8.

Funny how it’s suddenly “impractical” to peddle hate when the result would actually save traditional marriages.  

Read the quotes in context here.

Ron Prentice’s claims just smell bad here. And I don’t just mean his claim about impracticalities.

Note: Prentice is still blogging about the “homosexual agenda” at his “protect marriage” website.


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Love 'Em and Hate 'Em: The "Ex-Hole" Paradox

Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon on one of the paradoxes of relationships.

To call someone a “bitch” for dumping you is to imply that she was wrong and mean-spirited to do so, but the fact that you wield the word “bitch” to describe women who believe they own their own selves is evidence that she was actually a wise woman for getting rid of your sorry ass.

Read the quote in context here.

Amanda links the specific sentiment (referencing the intro to the movie (500) Days of Summer, which I haven’t seen) to misogyny but similar iterations of the paradox can be found at the end of quite a few relationships regardless of the erstwhile participants’ gender, orientation, or outlook on life.

An indication of the insincerity of the sentiment often derives from the point that the angered or scorned individual often genuinely wishes their relationship with the accused was still intact.

Complicating (but not, I think, diluting) Amanda’s point, I’d add that proprietary attitudes towards partners isn’t limited to men toward women partners. In English at least, even after a relationship ends we refer to each other as “my ex.” Or (relating this back to the more general version of Amanda’s point) “my ex-hole.” Which is what an old friend used to call hers.

Related: Regina Lynn on how to sever your online connections in How to Delete Your Ex.


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Ashley Madison on Affairs: Getting It Exactly Backwards

I noticed the other day that the Ashley Madison website is now advertising on television. The ad I saw invites a woman who’s burdened with an, um, inattentive husband to consider an affair with a soulful-looking customer… or maybe waiter.

I wonder about all the websites and alt-weekly personals that are designed to facilitate adultery. I’m not personally opposed to people having relationships outside of their primary partnerships. Although I do think they ought to be conducted as responsibly as, well, any other kind of social relationship ought to be.

Thing is? The tagline for that ad is “When divorce is not an option.”

The common assumption, as expressed in that ad, that one pursues an affair to escape one’s main relationship. When it seems like a much better idea to seek affairs that enhance one’s primary relationships by, say, providing outlets for expression and activity that aren’t otherwise available. In other words, instead of when divorce is not an option how about when divorce is the last thing you’re even interested in.

Note: Obviously I’m not limiting this notion to sexual affairs. The kind of “outside” intimacy I’m thinking about, the kind that gives one perspective, say, rather than distraction, appreciation rather than relief, and re-creation rather than neglect or abandonment is larger than that.

Note #2: Neither am I proposing that those inclined to relationship-affirming affairs attempt to bring in the entire infrastructure of polyamory. (As Sigourny Weaver’s character said to Kevin Klein’s in Ang Lee’s “how-not-to” The Ice Storm – Criterion Collection, “I’ve already got a husband.”)

Oh, and note #3: given that 50% of relationships that make it to marriage end in divorce it’s not like the present model of 100%-investment-till-failure-or-nothing is so durable all we need to do is just clap louder to make it all better.


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Louisiana values vs. Massachusetts values

Humorist Jon Swift quotes the disgraced and disgraceful then-candidate Senator David Vitter in 2004:

We need a U.S. Senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts’s values.

Source: Jon Swift

And when it comes to Louisiana values one could always snark that Sen. Vitter was a perfect match…

Moral benchmark
Louisiana
Massachusetts
Teen pregnancy rate per 1000 (source)
58.1
23.3
Reference STD/VD rate per 1000 (source)
485.7
205.8
Divorce rate per 1000 (source)
3.6
2.4
Reported rapes per 100,000 (source — scroll down))
31.4
29.1

...though this would be grossly unfair to the fine people of Lousiana. Who are just stuck with a bunch of supercilious liars like Mr. Vitter. And, it must be said I think the actual hypocrite in this situation is, Wendy Vitter, who’s (still) married to the Senator.

How does that work? Well, David Vitter could be accused merely of parroting the sort of lies that need to be told to be elected in a socioeconomically disadvantaged state that’s desperate to do something/anything about their in-their-own-terms morally wretched condition… even if it’s the wrong thing. He didn’t have to believe it. And the evidence suggests he didn’t believe in it. But he could have just been saying what needed to be said in order to advance his own, personal well being.

Wendy Vitter? She wasn’t running for anything when, in response to a previous revelation about her husband’s dalliances with prostitutes, she said

Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he’d had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston’s wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: “I’m a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I’m walking away with one thing, and it’s not alimony, trust me.”

I got it from Matthew Yglesias. Follow his links to their ultimate source starting here.

As far as one can tell Ms. Vitter has neither castrated nor divorced her (serially?) philandering husband.

Which, of course, most people don’t do when confronted with a partner’s infidelity. But by talking phony macho bullshit she, as much as her husband, contributed to a culture of extreme and largely domestic violence that is also part of Louisiana values (13.9 murders per 100,000 pre-Katrina) vs. Massachusetts (only 2.7 murders per 100,000)!

Don’t get me wrong, in a small way I’m glad that neither Vitter practiced what he or she preached because both preached from unsustainable, uncreditable pulpits. But it would have been better for the country, for their state, and for their families had neither preached at all.


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