Amanda Hess of The Sexist jointly posted with Sady Doyle, who blogs at TigerBeatdown on the Levitt and Dubner’s dumb Superfreakonomics chapter on prostitution, wherein they ask, among other things, why all women aren’t prostitutes given that some of them can earn a lot. Particularly this one they dwell on a lot (“Allie”) who makes $350-$500/hour.
Even accounting for actual hours worked per year $350-$500/hour is still more than even a very highly-paid economics professor is likely to earn per year. Which leads to the second-most obvious question (I’ll get to the first in a minute):
AMANDA: haha right. now, i dont’ know if Levitt and Dubner are heterosexual males, but let’s assume they are.
SADY: assumed!
AMANDA: the only appropriate response to the ridiculous question posed in the article would be, “I don’t know, why don’t you suck cock for a living?” Why don’t you suck cock, out of your fancy house, instead of being a famous economist? I’m sure that will be the pertinent question in “SuperDuperFreakonomics: The Freakiestonomics Yet”
SADY: yes, at some point. WHY AREN’T LEVITT AND DUBNER JOINTLY FELLATING YOU RIGHT NOW: A FREAKONOMIC ANALYSIS.
AMANDA: probably because they don’t like sex?
That last little bit is significant. Because the one other prostitute they mention in their story, a subsistence/street prostitute they name “LaSheena,” says she doesn’t like her job and doesn’t even much like men. So in “pure” economic terms it not liking prostitution or men shouldn’t be an obstacle.
Hess and Doyle speculate that Levitt and Dubner don’t like men either, and so that might make them “failed” prostitutes they call “LaSheena.” But hey, at $28/hr even as a failure her average hourly earnings are still better than a lot of associate professors, which only shifts the question to why it wasn’t rational for the Steves to suck dicks for a living when they first left grad school.
This is not, incidentally, a completely out of line question to post to economists, by the way. A “philosophical” question that comes up in beginning economics seminars is why you wouldn’t mow a neighbor’s lawn for $25 if you won’t agree to pay a neighbor’s kid $25 to mow yours.
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Oh wait, remember I was going to mention the first-most obvious question? Maybe it’s because I’m not a super economist but it seems to me that even if I lived in the purest Total Asperger Blinders economist framing of prostitution I’d still want to hear how economics professors imagine the hourly rate would remain $350-500/hr, or even the $28/hr that “LaSheena” earns, if all women (let alone men) “enthusiastically” embraced prostitution.
Quick note: I keep returning to these almost-absurd cases because there’s already been so much excellent, thoughtful, and well-reasoned refutation of the author’s seriously bone-headedly convention-bound set of assumptions.
Lindsay Beyerstein of Majikthise asks
I wonder if Hollywood luminaries will sign manifestos in defense of James Phillip Edwards, a 60-year-old Kansas City man who admits to drugging little girls and molesting them
I wonder further if they'd consider 42 days adequate should Edwards be found guilty, since that's all Polanski served for drugging and assaulting a 13-year-old before skipping the country and they think that's all the time he should ever serve.
Echidne of the Snakes notices a large omission in Oklahoma’s new slut-shaming abortion-tracking law.
Oklahoma has a new law which requires all abortions to be listed on a public website. ... The required information astonishingly contains nothing about the man who caused the pregnancy, but is probably sufficient for finding the identity of any woman in a smallish town. And that is its real purpose.
Not sure I’m any more crazy about Echidne’s “man who caused the pregnancy” phrasing but the point remains: when it comes to pregnancy it takes two.
But the point that it takes two makes the passive-aggressiveness of the law even more obnoxious. Holding only women responsible and/or blaming them for abortion, or pregnancy, or (ultimately) not being able to “keep her legs together,” isn’t just about letting men off the hook. It’s about assuming men are incapable of managing their own sexuality.
That proponents of the legislation claim the “real” intent (and thus the question about whether there was an ultrasound) is to track, discourage, or otherwise manage selective abortion for boys or girls it still leaves men out of the equation. If so then one marvels that they omit tracking the father. Because, seriously, you think that’s not influenced by both parties in a pregnancy?
No. Of course abortion for gender selection will usually be a mutual rather than unilateral decision. And, interestingly, more likely to be a mutual decision because, think about it, it usually implies not unplanned but over planned pregnancy, and that usually implies non-random, generally high-communication partnerships. I.e. intentional pregnancy in marriage.
To neglect to seek information about men in such situations (as if that really was their intention) is to be even more incoherent than most anti-choice initiatives tend to be.
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Fran Langum of Blue Gal raises one of those points that frustrate the dickens out of transactional traditional-values types (emphasis mine)
I came across this LA Times article about a plastic made in China gadget which allows a woman to “fake” virginity, presumably on her wedding night. It’s got jockstraps-in-a-twist for the double-standard bearers of the right wing Islamic world.
And no where in the debate is the sense that women are supposed to enjoy themselves sexually either before or after marriage. We don’t hear from the female sex partners, to put the term most generically, of Ensign, Sanford, Vitter, and even Letterman as to whether or not they enjoyed the sex.
Well certainly not! The no-sex class paradigm’s Rule of Desire #1 says it’s simultaneously intolerable and inconceivable for a woman to have sexual desire. In a system where heterosexual sex is supposed to be transactional (i.e. men get sex and women get security, love, support, gifts, money, not getting beaten up, etc in exchange) it would be totally inconvenient if women enjoyed the actual sex part of sex! That would be like a dollar bill suddenly having a say in where it was spent.
(Sheesh, Cosmopolitan writers and editors get the Two Rules of Desire 100% right 100% of the time and they’re morons! So how hard can it be? But I digress…)
Twisting the knife on no-sex class cultural assumptions Blue Gal passes along the following little joke that’s made the rounds.
Q: What did the prostitute do for David Vitter that his wife wouldn’t?
A. Everything.
Ha. Ha-ha-ha! You see… he’d already done the wedding-ring transaction, see, and he’d gotten in trouble with her before about some sort of sexual peccadillos, see, which means that even if she had been interested in sex (which would be intolerable and inconceivable) she’d be off the hook for sex. Get it? See, and even if she was still on the hook she’d still withhold sex to punish him. Got it? No, see, prostitutes do things human women won’t because they’re paid to. Or, even better, because they’re coerced! Because, see, even prostitutes — and you know they’re all women! — wouldn’t do it if they either a) weren’t force into it or b) weren’t so greedy and avaricious they were willing to hold their noses and do it for mon… are you paying attention? This is serious! Because you won’t get that it’s funny!
Sheesh, Maxim writers and editors get jokes like that 100% right 100% of the time and they’re morons! So how hard can it be? But I digress…
Getting back to Fran’s original question, inside the dominant paradigm it’s in incredibly bad taste to ask whether Vitter’s, Letterman’s or anyone else’s partners enjoyed sex with them. Just identifying them as having had sex (marred or not, willingly or not, whether they enjoyed it or not) would rob them of the opportunity to use one of those plastic virginity things from China with male partner so he could at least pretend he was getting something of value. Even to suggest they might have enjoyed it would further reduce the exchange value of their sexuality. Inside the dominant paradigm to identify one of the partners at all could still (literally in some cultures) destroy her.
(Yes, outside the dominant paradigm there are matters of sexual harassment by employers, general and not just sexual rights to privacy, and whether there was choice in the matter. There’s also the little matter of professional stigma where career advancement based on merit can tarnished by assumptions about favoritism and/or compensation for sexual behavior. And outside it there’s even a perfectly non-controversial presumption that, y’know, to the extent they were grownups who decided to have sex then yeah, they probably enjoyed themselves. But inside it that’s just crazy talk.)
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There are a lot of other really good points in Fran’s post. She tackles some disturbing public perceptions about the agency of Britney Spears and her younger sister and of men who feel entitled to have sex with them. She raises the issue of what she calls the orgasm gap — the time, sometimes years, between when women first have intercourse and when they have their first (possibly non-solo) orgasms. Go check it out.
Fran Langum at Blue Gal is just awesome in her introduction to the equally awesome David Letterman.
Sanford, Vitter, and Ensign need two hours in a Powerpoint presentation on “How to Deal with Your Sex Scandal” with Dave. The slides include, 1. You might lose your job, and probably should. 2. Get a sense of humor. 3. Don’t be an effin’ hypocrite.
Do it like this:
The things you don’t do are:
Decide to be the point person to criticize ACORN and prostitution. (Vitter)
Break the law in order to make your staffer, who is also your mistress’s husband go away. (Ensign)
And above all, you boys, don’t belong to a political party that thinks abstinence only education health policy is a good idea.
‘Cause that’s a joke. And it isn’t funny.
I’d use a different word than awesome to describe having sex with one’s employees, but I thoroughly admire Letterman for owning up to it, for defying someone else who sought to exploit it, for not having his partner(s) into stand-by-your-man charades, and for acknowledging and lamenting the potential consequences but neither whining about nor denying responsibility for those consequences.
Well this is kind of weird. Ampersand of Alas, a blog passes along one of those classic gotcha stories that combine double standards, overzealous prosecutors, and young people exchanging nude photography…
Reading, Pennsylvania: Where you get three years in prison for taking consensual nude pictures of your girlfriend, but cops who expose their penises in the office aren’t penalized at all.
... that for some reason I foolishly started following links back through the story. And discovered that, as they say on Facebook, “it’s complicated.” There’s more to it than will fit in any two-sentence summary.
Let’s get the willy-waiving policeman out of the way first: According to The Agitator (the site Ampersand links to) a Pennsylvania police officer was reinstated after an arbitrator determined he was improperly fired because his employers (the police supervisor he exposed himself to?) didn’t follow “progressive disciplinary guidelines, which involve a series of verbal and written warnings.” (That would be “progressive” in the procedural rather than political sense.)
The child-porn conviction business, though, just keeps getting deeper and weirder.
Most surface/gotcha-level view of the story: man convicted earlier for possessing naked photos of his then-17-year-old wife is sent to prison for 3 years for failing to notify a sex-offender registry of a change of address. Extra irony/quirk/outrage/overreach/whatever: his now-adult wife and child they had together are now an impoverished single-mother family and will remain so till the husband gets out of prison around 2012. Ouch, right?
Well, yes, ouch. The next complication, though, from the Reading (Pennsylvania) Eagle after the man was originally convicted: in 2003 a 23-year-old man has a hotel-room party with his 17-year-old girlfriend who takes pictures of the two of them having sex, and of two other girls, 15 and 16, kissing, touching, and showering naked. Girlfriend swears she took the photos and made a photo album of them and then gave it to him.
Ok, that’s more complicated but still way more of a sorrow-than-anger situation. (Update: Making the very big assumption that since court and news reports don’t say otherwise that contact was limited to his fiance and she really did take all the photos. But in current comments Sungold is persuading me to lean towards her interpretation, in which case eww, and throw the book at him.)
Except there’s the next level complication: The man allegedly kept the photo album in his vehicle for a year. It didn’t turn up till he had a traffic accident and a police officer found the album in his car. Oh, and they didn’t just charge him with child porn they also charged him with providing alcohol to minor.
Yeah, I’m starting to feel a little sympathy fading too here. Tough, and all that, but still, WTF, right? Well, yeah.
It gets even more complicated though.
The police officer who found the photo album was the man’s brother in law (or possibly his step-brother.)
The brother-in-something held on to the album for a year before someone else on the police force found it in his desk. When police searched his computer they found 120 other photos of naked minors.
That too got complicated. The brother-in-something was charged with possession of child-pornograhy but, since the photo album was evidence against the original man he wasn’t charged for possessing that.
It gets even more complicated: first, it sounds like the man and his erstwhile partner are separated. So it’s not clear what’s going on with her. And comments by a local in one of the articles said the brother-in-something eventually escaped conviction, which sounds like a bit more of a scandal — the photos aren’t characterized but it doesn’t sound like they were of people he was involved with.
But wait! It gets even more complicated! The brother-in-something was actually convicted and sentenced to six months house arrest. For possessing those 120 computer photos. Oh, and peeping in windows. So there you go.
Meanwhile the original man, having served his original sentence, is still back in prison for three years under the state’s Megan’s Law provisions for failing to let authorities know he’d moved.
So end of the story? Yes, it’s scandalous that a different police officer was reinstated after exposing himself to his superior and a bystander.
And yes it’s on-balance unfortunate that the man went to prison a second time after serving what may have been a shorter first sentence for exercising what could only optimistically be called really, really, really bad judgment and somewhat more generously for canoodling with someone still a minor but past the age of consent and… her two minor friends who certainly weren’t. And not-at-all generously, for either getting minor children drunk, having sex with one of them, and taking and keeping naked photos with them, or, nearly as bad, getting drunk and naked with minor children and keeping the resulting photos. No really good way to spin that and… it’s not really clear why one would bother.
I’ve still got questions, though, about double standards on police vs. civilian conduct. Because one final Reading Eagle story, on the conviction of the brother-in-something adds one final complication. Turns out it wasn’t the brother-in-something who found the photo album in the first man’s truck after an accident. Instead some other officer found it and turned it over to the brother-in-something. Who put it in his desk. Where it was discovered a little more than a year later by someone else. Who, if I’ve got the chronology right, may actually have been investigating allegations of window peeping. But, having finally seen the light of day, resulted in charges against the original man for child porn, the brother for otherwise-unrelated child porn… but not withholding evidence… and… what?... disciplinary charges? Tampering with evidence charges? Nothing at all? ...for the officer who handed the photo album to the brother-in-law.
Point being that yeah, in its bare bones the story fits that two-line gotcha, “Reading, Pennsylvania: Where you get three years in prison for taking consensual nude pictures of your girlfriend, but cops who expose their penises in the office aren’t penalized at all.” But where the rest of the stories (I’m just a regular Paul Harvey, eh?) ought to raise even more eyebrows.
Anna N of Jezebel finds a charming new book called “Why Women Have Sex,” by Cindy Meston and David Buss. Subtitle: “The psychology of sex in women’s own voices; Understanding sexual motivations – from adventure to revenge (and everything in between.)
Neither Anna N nor I have read the book so I can only comment on the news coverage. But then as Dr. Petra Boynton points out, neither has anyone else — it’s not been published! Instead all we’re hearing about are reporters interpretations of the pre-publication press release. And the reporting is… all eaten up with the dominant paradigm of women as the “no-sex” class. Popularly quoted reasons from the press release include “I hoped he would put the rubbish out,” “to relieve a headache,” “to make my sexual skills better,” and “because it’s the closest thing to God.” It’s hard not to notice a common theme: women have sex for reasons other than sexual desire, usually in order to get something else.
Boynton notes, though, that while the book itself isn’t available the same authors published research based on reasons women and men have sex (pdf) back in 2007. The format of the survey, a list of 237 possible reasons for having sex, drew knee-squeezy remarks back then of the “who knew people had so many reasons” variety? Boynton says there’s every reason to believe that if they’re not just reusing previously-collected data from women in the survey they’re using the same methodology.
What’s fun about the list of 237 reasons is… it’s a very big list. Some of them are really, really… disappointing (I hoped he would put out the rubbish.” Others are perfectly predictable.
In fact, from the study here’s the top 15 responses given by both women and men in their 2007 study.
| Women | Men | |
1 |
I was attracted to the person | I was attracted to the person |
2 |
I wanted to experience the physical |
It feels good |
3 |
It feels good | I wanted to experience the physical pleasure |
4 |
I wanted to show my affection to the person |
It’s fun |
5 |
I wanted to express my love for the person |
I wanted to show my affection to the person |
6 |
I was sexually aroused and wanted the release |
I was sexually aroused and wanted the release |
7 |
I was ‘‘horny’‘ | I was ‘‘horny’‘ |
8 |
It’s fun | I wanted to express my love for the person |
9 |
I realized I was in love | I wanted to achieve an orgasm. |
10 |
I was ‘‘in the heat of the moment’‘ | I wanted to please my partner |
11 |
I wanted to please my partner |
The person’s physical appearance turned me on |
12 |
I desired emotional closeness (i.e., intimacy) |
I wanted the pure pleasure |
13 |
I wanted the pure pleasure | I was ‘‘in the heat of the moment’‘ |
14 |
I wanted to achieve an orgasm | I desired emotional closeness (i.e., intimacy) |
15 |
It’s exciting, adventurous | It’s exciting, adventurous |
Source: Arch Sex Behav (2007) 36:477-507, pg. 481
Wow, little bit of symmetry there eh? Attracted to the person vs. attracted to the person. I wanted to feel the physical pleasure vs. it feels good. I was sexually aroused and wanted the release vs. I was sexually aroused and wanted the release. I wanted to show my love for the person vs. I wanted to show my affection for the person. Shocking how different men and women are!
And even though it shows up in all the reports there’s nothing at all in the top 15 about rubbish, Godliness, or headaches. From either men or women. (In fact, you don’t get to “I wanted to feel closer to God” until around item #227 the tenth-most infrequent reason given by… both women and men.)
It’s not that gender differences don’t show up in the list, but as usual, there’s a lot of overlap. I’m actually horrible at interpreting statistics but from a quick read it I think they identify more differences for decisions between personality types (they measured that in the questionnaire as well) than between genders. Someone with a better eye may want to correct me though.
Anyway, you can read their whole original report for yourself. The bottom line, though, is that if their original report was even slightly methodologically sound their new book won’t contradict it much at all.
Which means we can turn our attention back to the question of why everyone’s latching on to low-on-the-list but high-on-the-stereotype reasons in the original press release and in their reporting of it. My guess? Stereotypical Rule of Desire #1: It is simultaneously inconceivable and intolerable for a woman to have sexual desire.
Which brings me back to Anna N’s post at Jezebel (emphasis mine)
The idea that women never actually want sex is much older than Meston and Buss, and it often provokes responses like Jimara’s — and, more upsettingly, the rhetoric of pickup-artists who think their job is to convince women to do something they don’t actually want to do. This can become a vicious cycle of ever more reductive and damaging gender roles. But of course, lots of women do like sex. As commenter Emma says, “What a load of crap. I’m sick of so called research studies telling me how I think. I have sex because I like it!” I have to wonder if it’s still hard for women to admit this to researchers, if it’s somehow more acceptable to say “I hoped he would put the rubbish out” than “I was horny” (a phrase I, for my part, find it almost impossible to utter). And I wonder if the more newspapers tell women “how they think,” the more embarrassed they’ll be to admit how they really feel.
That sounds about right. It’s not that there are no significant differences between men and women, it’s that the most significant differences are external. And rather than providing information about sexual behavior the reporting, and possible the book itself, are giving directions.
Echidne being right again, this time about the unanswered question about Sarah Palin’s inadequacy as a mother of five and governor of a state…
Now for the invisible elephant. I think it’s called Todd, a stay-at-home dad whose parenting skills are not much discussed. You remember? The guy married to Sarah Palin. I’m not sure what his role in that family is supposed to be if Sarah Palin is the one expected to mind the children and do politics, too.
Just do a reversal on that. Pick any male politician with a stay-at-home wife. Then ask how he manages to both work and care for the children. Make him the responsible party in anything the children do wrong. Try that and see the humongous waves of discussion you develop, even among feminists. It’s probably because we prefer the elephant invisible.
Another interesting question is why so many people wish the elephant should stay invisible. Double standards cut both ways. Yeah, it’s fine to say the Governor should or should not have kept up. But where’s the expectation that Todd Palin should have stepped up? Oh right, we only set low expectations for men.
As I’ve said often enough to make some of you sick of hearing it, human beings are very good at meeting expectations but usually more miss than hit at exceeding them. If you set low expectations the results are going to be… just about what you expected.
Part 1: The setup on the conclusion of a two-year human-trafficking trial
From Joe Ryan at the New Jersey Star-Ledger
“And the girls were not allowed to keep any of the money they earned?” asked Shana W. Chen, an assistant U.S. attorney.
“No,” said Afolabi, a burly man who sat shackled before U.S. District Judge Jose Linares, wearing a dark-green jail uniform.
(Note: I found Joe Ryan’s article after reading the following piece. Read on.)
Part 2: The context
Laura Kenney of AOL’s StyleList fashion site uncovers a straight-up classic case of international trafficking of children as young as 10 into the United States.
The worldwide epidemic of human trafficking has reached the beauty industry.
A West African immigrant has pleaded guilty to running a human trafficking operation that forced women to braid hair for up to 14 hours a day in Newark and East Orange NJ, reports the New Jersey Star Ledger.
In a case prosecutors equated to modern day slavery, Lassissi Afolabi, 46, told a judge he headed a ring that smuggled victims from villages in Ghana and Togo. He brought twenty women, age 10 to 19, to New Jersey, where he seized their passports, forbade them to learn English and make friends, and planted them in salons where they were forced to work up to 14 hours per day, 7 days a week.
Though not as horrific as sex-trafficking, this story brings to light the exploitation of innocents who want to find a better life in the US. And this is only one case — we wonder how many more women are being made to work against their will in salons across the country?
Part 3: False Distinctions
Not being a sex-trafficking case this case of trafficking, with coerced sex, hasn’t yet showed up on the standard sites for hand-wringing for sex-trafficker/prostituteders. Because for most of them the real crime isn’t the trafficking or coerced labor it’s sex work. (Why else would so many of them insist that even self-selected sex-workers equals trafficking.)
Which is sort of a shame, as I’ve said fairly regularly. Because it’s not like only trafficked sex-workers have coerced sex. Here’s the Star-Ledger again.
During yesterday’s hearing, Afolabi admitted trying to have sex with one of the girls, who was under 18, during a trip to North Carolina, where he hoped to open a hair-braiding salon.
“And she begged you not to do it — “You are old enough to be my father,’ “ Chen said, quoting the alleged victim.
“Yes,” Afolabi said.
He pleaded guilty today to forced labor, aggravated sexual abuse and traveling with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor.
The point being that just as not all sex work is coerced, neither does all non-sex trafficking involve no sexual coercion. Failing to get this has multiple consequences. The two biggest being that resources are spent to “protect” people (those sex-workers who are autonomous) who don’t need it and resources don’t protect other people (a substantially larger number who are trafficked, yes, and like Afolabi’s hair-braiding victim definitely sexually exploited, but who very often not the least bit “sex-trafficked.”)
Part 4, which seems to be growing into its own post, will be about a peculiarity in what I’m going to call, cynically, “benevolent trafficking” that makes prosecution, and even identification more difficult. The two-bit version is that four of Afolabi’s victims dispute that they were exploited and others report that their families at home are scorning and/or shaming them for complaining. The peculiarity being that Afolabi was actually treating his victims fractionally better than they would have been treated at home, with the result that they and their families felt they were getting a pretty good deal while… on the other hand he was treating them appallingly, and illegally, by U.S. standards and pocketing the difference between what they and their families expected them to earn in their home country (nothing) and what he was able to charge for their services (contemporary U.S. beauty-salon prices, which is quite a lot.)
In comments to my sports/virginity question where I questioned why, for instance, losing one’s virginity was supposed to destroy your life but blowing your knee out in high-school sports isn’t; why getting an STI (even a bad one like HIV) is supposed to ruin your life but picking up hepatitis while trekking in Nepal isn’t, MinorityReport (who blogs at, well, Minority Report) said
Great point. I wish that would have been the gist of my high school sex-ed classes.
An example: The school hired chastity speaker, Molly Kelly. I forget most of her talk. However, I do remember one very clear image she used. Throughout her speech Molly repeatedly dropped an apple. At the end of her presentation she held up the apple she had dropped and an apple that had been set aside. She then asked which we would rather eat, the apple that had been dropped on the floor (repeatedly) or the apple that had been set aside. It drove her point home, and for me at least it made an impact.
I would have been nice to hear something like, “But if you do _______, it’s not the end and life goes on.”
Oohhh, I had this realization after reading her Molly Kelly story and now I’m kind of beside-myself irritated.
You know all those abstinence-only metaphors of apples, roses, even gum and tape? Every one of them is a single-use consumable good. Bouncing an apple into apple sause just takes the cake though. The difference between apples and, oh, say, your body is even if you managed to get bruised during sex you’d still recover quickly. And most of the time, for most women and men, you’re not bruised during sex to begin with.
Apples, gum, roses, tape, suckers, etc., don’t recover at all but they’re fucking things, not people!
You want a better, but still-inanimate metaphor for a man or woman who’s had sex? Try a rubber ball. In fact try a superball since those seem to bounce with more energy than they begin with. How about a book? Try a deep pool that a pebble has been tossed in. A painting, an alarm clock, a window, a fireplace, a chicken and an egg (which came first?), a ski hill, a piano or flute.
And to be perfectly honest I don’t care for any of those because humans aren’t inanimate nor are we, women or men, either literally or figuratively consumed in the course of, well, intercourse.
A dropped apple is simply marvelous for propaganda in the service of patriarchy but evilly inaccurate for sex education.