fantasies

Svutlana on Shared Fantasies, Intimacy, and Boundaries

Fri, 2010-10-15 10:44

Svutlana, in her trademark broken English, endorses an important point about intimacy in relationships: everyone’s entitled to a little bit of mental privacy. Answering a man who questions whether his long-term partner could be sincere when she says she has no sexual fantasies, she hits the nail on the head.

Svutlana be extreme sorry for say this, but you need for immediate get for fuck over need for extract fantasies from wife, Mr Fantasy. If wife say she no have fantasies, she no have fantasies. Even if wife have fantasies that she hide from you, you no have right for demand access for them and feel insult when she no comply with your wishes.

In Svutlana opinion, no matter how extreme faithful you be, there be limits for what you should expect from monogamy.

Source: Svutlana of Svutlandia

And just to be clear, I’m not saying this because I’m a privacy absolutist (I’m actually relatively sanguine about limits to privacy.) Instead it’s that I strongly subscribe to relationship therapist and theorist Esther Perel’s philosophy that while intimacy is obviously important in relationships too much intimacy begins to sabotage sexual desire.

There’s also the bit about how for many people, sharing or acting on fantasies can deaden them — even long-term cherished ones.

As to the question of fantasies Svutlana points out correctly that not everyone has them. She adds that women aren’t as likely as men to have repeated, strongly-themed fantasies, easily pinned down fantasies. (I’m not sure the gender declaration holds up but it’s certainly true that a lot of people’s fantasies are almost indefinably vague.)

She points out that her correspondent seems to want to know his partner’s fantasies not just because he’s hurt that she’s “withholding” but because he’s hoping there’s something in it for him.

You say for self, “But want me for find out what wife fantasy be so can increase her sexual pleasures!” and maybe this be true for some degrees, but you really want for see if maybe wife think up something excite you never think of before for get you off. And you also want for know everything about wife, include her most privates thoughts, for make you feel important and feed your ego.

And here’s where it gets cool: Svutlana says that instead of prying into your partner’s possible fantasies it might be more effective to suggest a range of broad fantasy scenarios that you’d enjoy trying and seeing whether any of your ideas work for them. She says that while fantasies can be hard to pin down most people have broad themes they respond to.

I’d just add that in addition to respecting each other’s boundaries, sharing your ideas is at least a good way to start a conversation. (Hint: if you feel vulnerable sharing your fantasies then… that might explain why they feel vulnerable about sharing theirs, right?) By risking your own vulnerability you create space where they might feel comfortable risking theirs.

Be Careful About Letting the Search for the Best Drive Out the Good

Mon, 2008-10-06 10:15

Interesting sex-related question at Manic Monday today

Which would you prefer and why? To have every stoplight turn green upon your arrival for the rest of your life or to have one week of the best sex any person ever had?

Read other, mostly non-sex-related questions here.

I read the question at Biscuit, who raises a perfectly sensible (and possibly ominous) concern

A week of mind-blowing sex. Very tempting, but what about the rest of your sex life afterward? Would it pale in comparison and leave you wanting?

She said it here.

Assuming all else would be equal I’d take the green lights.

Regular sex is already pretty nice, and in my experience “mind blowing” sex, while also nice, is sort of overrated. I mean who in his or her right mind says “oh darn it, that last orgasm sucked because it wasn’t the best ever” and/or “my partner’s last orgasm sucked because it wasn’t her/his best ever?”

Anyway, I’d settle for the same old perfectly enjoyable sex for the rest of my life… using some of the time I saved not waiting in traffic! :-)

Note: I’m very much not a subscriber to bumper-sticker slogans along the lines of “the worst day X is better than the best day Y.” In particular I don’t believe “there’s no such thing as a bad blowjob/cunnilingus” or especially the daft idea that “bad sex is still better than no sex.” Since todays’ meme isn’t about bad sex I just don’t see any of those slogans applying here.

Maybe Not Quite Enough Too Much Information

Wed, 2008-08-20 00:22

Well, the weather’s changed, I’ve only got two more big projects (ok, one major — packing up the basement for an entirely non-cosmetic but much-needed seismic retrofit — and one minor) and, thankfully, no more trips(!), and I hope no more heat-waves before my family returns to a normal school-year routine. Almost out of the woods isn’t out of the woods but I’m finally feeling a little less frazzled and consequently way more communicative. Apologies for being so out of communication email-wise, comment-reply-wise, and in person as well. Again I’m not out of the woods yet but, maybe because it’s finally raining properly again I’m up for a little non-seriousness and so, via Elisa of Fairy Flutters, a very late TMI Tuesday reply.

1. Are you truly politically correct? Be honest.

Yeah, pretty much. And by the way “politically correct” doesn’t mean perfect. (If nothing else, kyriarchy makes that nearly impossible anyway.) What it does mean, though, is owning your shit when you find yourself busted. Or when you bust yourself. And then cleaning up any mess you made as best you can — while recognizing “as best you can” may not be enough.

2. Will you ever streak in public during rush hour?

Hmm… Osbasso’s announced an HNT Olympics theme for this week so… Eh, probably not. For one thing I’m not sure how I’d photograph myself.

On the other hand while the memories have grown unnervingly dim I certainly streaked a number of public venues during the original streaking fad, including somewhere downtown area in Chapel Hill, NC., a (Unitarian) church service, and numerous large and small parties. Oh, and I think an interstate exit ramp in broad daylight when I knew a bunch of friends traveling in a separate car were about to pass us.

But would I ever streak in public during rush hour now? I’d need a pretty good reason, and a really great venue (I can say it’s way more fun with friends around) but… yeah, maybe.

3. Would you ever do something sexual in public (more than 20 people around)?

You’d have to define “sexual.” I’ve been covertly sexual in public places but not in a way other people would notice.

Does waking up naked with another person in a sleeping bag and discovering that what we’d imagined was the privacy of a forest but was actually someone’s back yard… with the trail of clothes we’d carelessly shed the night before scattered halfway up the hill? Fortunately the homeowners weren’t looking out their picture window but we certainly noticed them. (Yikes!)

I’ve also been sexual in a dark room where a lot of other coupled-up people were also being pretty sexual, but since we were all sort of into each other it wasn’t like anyone was putting on a show — there just wasn’t anywhere more private to retire to. So I don’t think that counts either.

Oh, and I’ve been very sexual in a couple of very large crowds (for instance a late-night outdoor concert, a fireworks display) but again only very discreetly. (It’s not about the fear of being caught, it’s about the excitement of not being noticed.)

But, again, as for would I openly have sex in front of 20 or more people? Eh, I wouldn’t rule it out, especially if it really spun a partner’s pinwheel, but I definitely wouldn’t seek it out either.

4. Do you ever not have good table manners?

Sadly no. Ok table manners yes. But definitely not great. I’m a little self-conscious about it.

5. Do you ever fantasize about a public sexual act? Describe.

Not so much. As I mentioned above I’ve been sexual in public settings but it’s not something I fantasize about.

Bonus (as in optional): Have you ever gone through a true sexual fantasy? Describe.

Oh yes! Although maybe it’s that I have pretty achievable fantasies that mostly involve highly exciting but not terribly outrageous fantasies about people I’ve had crushes on anyway. But to say I’ve gone through fantasies is sort of putting it backwards — my best fantasies are memories of things I’ve already done.

And as far as that goes, as you might expect from someone raised inside the “no-sex” class paradigm but not highly enamored of it many of my best memories are of times when partners took the initiative, seduced me, surprised me, showed me something new, pushed my limits, or otherwise shook the scales from my eyes. Going back to item #1 I really need to own that I still believe way too much about sex that turns out to be utterly, well, incorrect. :-)

Details will have to wait for another, preferably cool, rainy Pacific-Northwest day when I can finally sit down long enough to collect my thoughts without interruption. (Sigh!)

The Personal Shouldn't Always Be the Political

Mon, 2008-05-05 21:57

I’m working my way back through a list of gender-challenging posts that I’ve found, bookmarked, and the sort of lost in the shuffle. I found this comment, from Sallo in a post about gender, power, roles in BDSM by DevastatingYet of Devastating Yet Inconseqential, and I thought she made a great point about what sometimes seem suspiciously “coincidental” correlations between bold explorations of kink and highly traditional gender roles.

To use a non-bdsm example, when I hear women take a very conservative, traditional sex-role, one-step-removed-from-barefoot-and-pregnant position on marriage or women’s role in society in general, I do blame the patriarchy. It’s not that I doubt that the woman actually does in some sense want that life, but I assume that it is because she has absorbed these views from her (male-dominated) religion, family, or other source. It’s not impossible that this isn’t something that some women would just want for their own reasons, so I am inaccurately lumping them all into some kind of category of the (however mildly) brainwashed. This is quite unfair to those women who have thought things through at a deep level and still want that life, but the alternative is unclear. Taking it at face value that women want what they are willing to say publically that they want, or want the lives that they are living (through some kind of revealed preference thing, as though their choices have not been constrained all along) – that just seems too close to rationalizing and excusing the system.

I don’t immediately see why moving this into the realm of sex changes the analysis significantly.

Scroll down to comment #3, but read the original post here.

Far be it from me to criticize anyone for enjoying home and raising children (barefoot, now that I think about it.) But based on how often people say infuriating shit to my partner like “It must be so nice having him help with the house” I gotta say yeah, a lot of people have kind of absorbed their views about it from their (male-dominated) religion, family, or other source. That still doesn’t make anyone’s turn-on invalid, of course since if it turns you on then… that’s just what does. On the other hand, you’d probably want to consider not taking it personally if other people point out that public policies or conservative traditions your fantasies are tied to kind of suck.

Update: In comments Christina B suggests an excellent test: “ I think a good way to measure ‘free’ is to ask ‘what would happen if one day you change your mind?’” Pretty cool tool, by the way, for all sorts of situations.

25 words or less

Tue, 2007-08-07 09:17

You first broke the ribbons
and then broke the thread
so that’s why there’s rope
on each post of the bed

(21 words)

The "no-sex" class: Sex at work - fantasy vs. reality

Mon, 2007-07-09 14:37

So my family and I are now back from vacationing and visiting with relatives in the Appalachian southeast. We had a wonderful week. And a not-so-wonderful day on the return trip. Between post-boyhood interstate reconfigurations, traffic jams, small-airport crew-management issues, weather delays, and therefore-squeezed connecting flight schedules we had a pretty hectic, cranky, and generally uncivil-to-each-other time. (Which we’ve recovered from as well — one bad day does not a bad vacation make.)

I bring this up not to brag that we got to watch an old-fashioned, 4th-of-July fireworks alternative anvil shoot (photo here), or that we had excellent pizza under an awning in a slowly-reviving urban plaza during a glorious thunderstormy downpour, or even to justify the slow posting schedule over the last seven days or so.

Nope. I bring it up because of a thought that popped into my head on a between-concourses escalator as my family was fleeing from one satellite terminal to another via aerial tram and mad dash, desperately hoping to catch our connecting flight and maybe, just maybe, grab a little food to go since they no longer have meals on airplanes. And the though was…

I like sex. Like it? I love sex! Heck, I like it so much I blog about it all the time. But here’s the deal. If at that moment, on that escalator, hurtling midway across the time-zone-wide Houston airport, my very dear and very attractive partner had suggested we have sex… in fact had Gina Lollobrigida (born 1927), Kristen Bell (born 1980), and my partner (born in between) suggested we have a nice impromptu four-way while “no-sex” class, disinterested in sex and incapable of a rich and varied sexuality all my own. It would be because even though I’m at home I’m… well… at work. And sex at work is generally a lot easier in fantasy than in reality.

I’m glad to be home. But being home means I’m also back at work. Sex at work is cool, but a little trickier in reality than in fantasy.

Secret life

Thu, 2005-04-21 10:59

Here’s how Tieme of Sexual Awakening of a 30-something Wife answers one of Jay of JayLovesKitti’s five questions:

Q. 5- How would you feel and react if a male friend (that you find f*able) mentioned reading your blog?

A. ... If the male friend didn’t realize that it was my blog, I would do my best to change the subject quickly before my embarrassment gave me away. I’m pale and I blush easily! If he had already guessed that I might be the author, well, I don’t know how I would be able to look him in the eye. I’ve written some pretty personal stuff in my blog, and it would be hard not to obsess about the guy knowing about how I love to be tied up, spread open, spanked, and penetrated. For most male readers, if you knew the secret fantasies of a female friend, would you ever be able to look at her the same?

My first reaction is yes, of course I could look at a female friend the same if I knew here secret fantasies. My second is no, I wouldn’t think of her the same way. My third is of course I could look at friends the same way if I knew their secret fantasies.

Here’s the progression.

Yes: Everybody seems to have fantasies. Not all of them are, well, practical. Take the common non-sexual fantasy many men have of someday buying a sailboat. Would very many, if any, really sail it around the world if they had the chance? No, probably not. For almost everyone the boat fantasy provides a symbol or ideal or sort of Dumbo’s feather that helps them get through hard parts of the day, of life, of relationships. Same with sexual fantasies — at least the kind most people would be a bit embarrassed to disclose. Anyway, to get back to the point, since almost everyone has fantasies — often fantasies that conflict or contradict their public personas — I can still look at someone the same way if I know theirs.

No. Again choosing a non-sexual metaphor here, when a buttoned-down workaholic co-worker revealed that she dreams about moving to the coast and opening a pottery shop I thought differently of her because I knew something important and personal about her. Similarly, when a former partner told me a previous lover had often spanked her and that she’d missed that in subsequent relationships it changed the way I looked at her because I understood her much better. If I’d known when we were together our relationship might have proceeded differently even if, at the time anyway, I doubt I’d have wanted to spank her anyway. So no, knowing someone’s deepest fantasies makes it impossible to look at them the same way.

Yes. Just because you inadvertently learn something as personal about someone as their most powerful sexual fantasies doesn’t mean your basic relationship is all that different. Or, more correctly, knowing how they feel doesn’t need to change anything nor should it. Case in point: if I’m attracted to someone to begin with, knowing her fantasies won’t really change the way I feel about her any more than seeing her naked in a sauna would. So yes, I could still look her in the eye. Similarly if I wasn’t attracted to them it wouldn’t change the way I looked at them any more than hearing them making love with their partner in an adjacent room would.

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Finally, while knowing someone’s fantasies wouldn’t really change the way I looked at them, knowing they wanted to act on them (particularly if it was a fantasy that resonated with mine, particularly if I learned I was an object of their fantasy) would be something else entirely. I’m not sure it would change my public behavior towards them or towards anyone else but it certainly might alter my own fantasy landscape.

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Hmm. Let me revise that, or at least introduce a special case. In mathematics and mathematical logic there are often special cases for the first couple of numbers: zero, one, and sometimes two. In terms of disclosed fantasies it’s different if the disclosure comes from your current partner. Now that can sometimes change everything, at least if you’re willing to hear it out before trying to respond.

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This last bit about knowing a partner’s fantasies, and the one before about knowing someone wants to act on theirs, brings up a fairly tricky problem — that of fulfilling fantasy.

Let’s go back to the neutral sailboat fantasy. What would happen if you could play magic genie and plop a sailboat, free and clear, fully stocked, and ready to go with all his other obligations magically and tidily resolved as well. Think he’d just leap onboard and go? If so how far do you think he’d make it before this or that or the other thing brought him back? And if (when) he does come back what will he be able to fantasize about instead?

The point is that most fantasies are best left unfulfilled, and not because they’re impractical, contrary to one’s true nature or (as many sexual fantasies are) dangerous or cumbersome (real-life zippers always stick.) Instead think about the pitiful woman in Bridges of Madison County who, her children discover after she’s died, had a very brief fling with a bridge inspector (a bridge inspector?) and spent the rest of her life going through the motions with a husband and family she could never feel complete about. Fulfilling that fantasy (a fairly common one judging from sales figures and commentary) did nothing to enhance her quality of life and instead arguably diminished it radically. Same with every poor middle-aged bozo who tries to lose himself with a Corvette or a much younger woman.

The facile response to fulfillment tends to be “act in haste, repent at leisure.” A more correct one, though very hard to ultimately understand, would be “before enlightenment chop wood, carry water; after enlightenment chop wood, carry water.” That’s not to say one should never act on one’s fantasies — not at all. But before one makes that choice it’s best to consider what it really means and whether, adrenaline and longing aside, you’ll feel more or less complete for doing so.

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A couple of further points:

- I’ve gotten a lot more turned on just sitting next to someone I had a crush on than I did later when I overheard her detail a fairly extravagant sexual experiences to a confidant.

- I must have masturbated eleven or twelve times in the first forty eight hours after an old acquaintance told me that as a teenager she’d regularly fantasized about me tying her up. I have no idea why she picked me for that fantasy, which I think was the biggest part of the thrill. Our various flames had died out by the time she told me — she was no longer my type nor I at all hers — but woozie! The “might have beens” were something else.

- One long-term partner would always cryptically answer “underwear” whenever I asked her what she’d been thinking about after a sessionw here she seemed particularly aroused. She rarely wore anything more than jeans, t-shirts, and shoes, and when she wore underpants at all it tended to be extraordinarily plain and practical.

- I’m usually at a loss when asked about my own fantasies. They tend to be eclectic, situation specific, and (a meta-fantasy?) collaborative.

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