gender stereotypes

Speaking of Musical Lyrics, A Question for Em & Lo Makes Me Wonder if "Why Can't a Woman Be More Like A Man?" Isn't Already True

Tue, 2011-02-22 18:33

"Unwilling Goddess" wrote Em & Lo asking for advice on the following problem.

Dear Em & Lo,

How does one gracefully say “Thanks, but no thanks”? It seems to happen a lot to me: I treat the guy like a friend — meaning I don’t make innuendo (no puns please!) nor banter, etc., I just converse fercrissake! — and a few weeks (or months, or hours) later he’s dropping heavy hints and gazing at me with That Look. I then try to avoid any situations that may lead him on; i.e. refusing a drink together, though I wouldn’t mind having a friendly one. Also, I don’t want to lose friends who suddenly want to move it a notch further than I really want. Any ways to let them down gently?

– Unwilling Goddess

Source:

I don't really have a lot of advice for dealing with this. But I can look at the question from a couple of different perspectives.

It sounds as if the correspondent would find it more convenient if men didn’t grow more romantically attracted to women as they get to know them better, spend more time around them, and just generally appreciate all their qualities, and not just be turned on by the superficialities of their faces, hair, or booties. In actuality, though, a lot of men have exactly those romantic qualities that are more often attributed to stereotypes of women.

And looking at the question from yet another angle, surely the correspondent isn’t suggesting that women base their attractions to partners on initial hormonal response and thus never become more attracted to them as they got to know them better. If so then that would suggest that women have qualities that are more often attributed to stereotypes of men.

My intuition has always been that the following lyrics could be sung as easily by women as by the men (Rogers and Hammerstien*) who wrote them for the Anna character in The King and I:

Getting to know you,
Getting to feel free and easy
When I am with you,
Getting to know what to say

Haven’t you noticed
Suddenly I’m bright and breezy?
Because of all the beautiful and new
Things I’m learning about you
Day by day.

Actually my intuition says that’s still true. Chime in if I’m wrong, though.

* Not actually being a huge fan of musicals I wasn't aware until I Googled it that the song was from The King and I or that it was sung by women and not as a duet between a man and woman. (I'd guessed it was instead from West Side Story.)

Invisible Women in Science, Math, Engeneering, and Technology: The Lisa Simpson Syndrome

Wed, 2011-01-05 09:03

Image from Halley's Comment. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Image via Halley's Comment.
You know that question "why aren't there more women in science?" Technology entrepreneur Halley Suitt of Halley's Comment asks it in a particularly insightful way.

Been thinking about how few smart girl characters there are on TV. Lisa Simpson definitely is a girl brainiac. I love her. She's the best.

Was trying to remember if she was just smart in general or if she's more the science/math brain or more of an arts/humanity/music girl. Need to read up on her.

Source: Halley's Comment

There are a couple of perfectly conventional reasons why there aren't more women in science.  Like, oh, say, discrimination, gender steering, and outright intimidation, but feminist-geek blogger Restructure clarifies with a reason that's awesomely near and dear to my heart: there actually are quite a few women in science. And despite considerable obstacles there always have been. Most of the ones who don't get chased out by the aforementioned discrimination still get undercounted because, very much like the Lisa Simpson character, they don't look or act or otherwise meet our stereotypical expectations of women scientists as boxy, driven, Asperger-y taped-glasses types.

Does discrimination really exist? Oh yeah! Not was one of her high-school peers an utter prick

I remember when I won some physics award in high school, a male rival complained bitterly in the library that the physics award he felt he should have won ended up going to “some girl”. He actually said that, emphasizing the word girl, as if my very gender invalidates my right to win a physics award.

...but so was her own father!

I remember, in high school, when my father questioned me about why I was receiving so many phone calls from guys recently, and I explained to him that they were calling about physics. He then said, “Why would they ask you about physics?” He thought that I was lying and then basically accused me of whoring around with multiple boyfriends, a reflection of his patriarchal paranoia regarding sexual purity rather than anything I did. Apparently, the possibility that I might actually be good at physics could not be seriously entertained, and alternate explanations, no matter how far-fetched, were given more credence.

So, yeah, you'd have to be singularly oblivious to imagine there's no such thing as discrimination!

But!

If all you did was focus on the blatant crap -- the sheer contempt for "a girl" in science and the blatant misogyny of assuming your daughter's brain could never be as interesting as her ass -- you'd miss a more invisible but no-less pernicious issue. Here's how she puts that.

Instead of challenging gender stereotypes, my success in high school physics led to suspicions and speculations about my (female) sexuality.

Both these examples demonstrate that (i) people may not recognize female geekery when they see it, due to sexist confirmation bias; (ii) people may interpret evidence of female geekery instead as evidence that sexist stereotypes are “true”, due to sexist confirmation bias; and (iii) female geeks experience additional sexism that non-geek women and male geeks do not experience.

Source: Restructure

Point being that for many (based on experience I'm guessing most) women in science, even if the overt, intentional bigotry vanished they'd still face the incredible bias of "gee, you don't look scientist."  They're there, they're not square-glasses square, you're so used to them you probably don't see them.  Stop being used to it.

Via Geek Feminism Blog

See also, for instance, Haley's Comment on Lisa Simpson

What if We Stopped Pretending Cross-Dressing Had Anything To Do With Dressing "Like" Women and Was Instead Just Its Own Thing?

Sun, 2010-09-19 16:58

Anthony McCarthy of Echidne of the Snakes wrote about the touchy subject of drag queens and the performance of gender. Here’s the basic pitch

Whatever I might think about drag and its relationship with the wider view of gay men, I’m certain that the drag queen role isn’t a good one for women to follow. The paper today informs us that RuPaul has a new program which is based on professional drag queens instructing women on how to be women.

He said it here.

Yeah, about that. But first let’s get a couple caveats out of the way. Is McCarthy bashing trans people (transsexual, transvestite, or transgender)? No, I don’t believe he is. Is he rejecting the notion that gender as a component of identity separate from sex? No, not that either. And, since it’s often confused even though they’re actually miles apart, is McCarthy confusing “female impersonators” like RuPaul with transgender or transexuals? Again, no. He’s just calling into question the notion that it’s a good idea for people who dress like women but make a point of not identifying as women giving women who do identify as women instructions in how to perform as women.

I mean, the only possible real good that could come out of the whole concept of the program is that gender, as opposed to virtually all other elements of identity, is constructed and performed based on the approval, disapproval, or outright direction of others rather than ourselves.

That the best people to instruct women in how to perform their gender might be men who are said to perform it better than women naturally do only makes the whole gender enterprise more contrived.

Which is fine, of course, and not in a “nothing wrong with that” way… I mean it _really is fine to be have in contrived and constrained ways — we do it all the time in games, say, where the rules can be almost completely contrived.

Unless you’re so far into it you mistake the game for reality, and the rules for laws of nature, and performance of the game for the way we “naturally” ought to be.

Which, unfortunately, when it comes to the game of gender an awful lot of people do. With very unfortunately consequences.

McCarthy continues

The story is that when the Stonewall Inn was raided it was the drag queens who were the first to resist. I wasn’t there and have never spoken to anyone who was. Since that is widely reported by people who were there, it’s a laudable act on the part of those who resisted anti-gay oppression. But that doesn’t erase the negative implications of drag and its promotion of oppressive stereotypes for women, and, indisputably, gay men. Living a phony stereotype is oppressive, especially one assigned for the purpose of entrapping victims into oppression. The powerful elite, comprised of straight men, wasn’t going to allow those assigned roles to be empowering. I don’t for one second see adoption of those roles as being empowering, that is a delusion useful to the established order. With this show, with the actual instruction of women by professional drag queens in how to live their act, that promotional aspect isn’t deniable.

Yup. I think if you want to go careening about in stockings, high heels, heavy makeup, and a wig more power to you! Lots of people do — from the annual Pride parade to the very elderly housewives in the grocery store next to my old neighborhood.

But thing is it really is approximately as likely, and as appropriate, and most importantly as authentic(!) on men in parades as women in grocery stores then why continue pretending that it’s actually about women at all? That it’s about cross-dressing at all, instead of just dressing? And just enjoy it for what it is instead of what-it’s-not-but-pretends-to-be?

Because if you’re going to go the other way, and go ‘round saying oh no these guys can show you how women really are? I don’t think that’s a very good idea.

Glenn Beck's Vision of Ideal Manliness, Channeled in Comic Format

Tue, 2010-01-26 15:34

The following comic wouldn’t be funny (I think it’s hilarious!) if it didn’t play into common stereotypes about, especially, young roughneck men. I happen to be one of those people who thinks that in mass culture stereotypes don’t just unfairly describe the targets they also, unfortunately, may also set expectations in the targets themselves. (If I may meta-stereotype for a moment, I’ve noticed that young men tend to be very influenced by pop-culture characterizations of… young men.)


Comic by Robert T. Balder at PartiallyClips.com

Source: Robert T. Balder’s Partially Clips

In This Case James Chartrand's Assumed Masculinity Probably Hurt Men More Than It Hurt Women

Wed, 2009-12-16 23:05

About this James Chartrand business.

A lot of people are seriously chuffed with her for pulling a fast one, selling out, betraying other women writers, and (hey, this one bugs me too) extending her adopted macho persona into an entire professional-writers website, Men with Pens.

Second, based on my (peripheral) experience with commercial writers over the years it’s not that uncommon for a single writer to work with mulitple pen names. For instance the local edgy alt-weekly might rather not use the same writer who also writes the gardening tips for the local flower and garden newsletter and ad copy for the local university alumni office. So folks use different names — big deal, so what? And if you use different genders? Also big deal, so what?

Note also the e-book title available under “Our Books” at Men with Pens: How To Create Believable Characters. Nice work, James!

Some things I do get uncomfortable about though. For instance that a lot of people prefered to hire and read copywriting from James… as long as they thought he was a man. Published research says academic reviewers consistently give higher ratings when a single letter in a submission is changed, turning the author from, say, the woman’s name “Joan Smith” to the man’s name “John Smith,” or “Jean Fitzpatrick” to “Dean Fitzpatrick.”

That Chartrand got pulled in when she dropped that hook over the side isn’t a problem for me at all. What is a problem, though, is that despite thoroughly faking it she built a website that’s… well, more aggressively “masculine” than I, a thoroughly red-blooded, XY-chromosomed man, am able to manifest. Which, if I was conflicted all Hemingway/GQ/Details-like about what “being a man” might mean probably wouldn’t be doing me a lot of favors. So in other words it’s not as much that Chartrand was “selling out” women as that she was helping to continue setting up men with, in this case, literally made up standards of what constitutes an authoritative male voice.

“Masculinity” already impoverishes men enough without people — women and men — literally playing it up. Although I think it’s a marvelous indictment of the whole conceit that biological women are able to pull it off as effortlessly as biological men. But here’s the deal: masculinity, like femininity, is a total fucking joke. Name one thing besides maybe peeing on cigarette butts in a urinal and needing to do things to keep your testosterone levels on an even keel that’s really all that “essentially” male? Right, that was a trick question! There are plenty of men throughout history who never saw either a urinal or a cigarette butt who nevertheless made it from first breath to last without ever losing a Y chromosome. And, to be perfectly fair, there are plenty of women, Chartrand not the least of them, who are able to nail the concept on the first go.

Meaning it’s all made up. Which wouldn’t be a problem at all if drunks in bars, bullies on playgrounds, and psychos with handguns weren’t either perpetually trying to live up to those meaningless, in some cases literally fictional standards or, worse, using other people’s failures to meet them as an excuse to do violence against them. Which sets off yet another cycle of men and boys looking for answers to the literally unknowable-for-certain question “what does it mean to be a man?” And finding hints in… “manly” graphics like the bullet-shattered logo James Chartrand chose to keystone her blog, or teasing remarks about “mommy bloggers” on… a working mother’s blog.*

Bottom line: getting jobs with fake names is fine. Finding success with your fake name is fine too. Taking your fake name and using it to perpetuate your ideas about your name’s gender attributes, though, isn’t so hot.

* For the record I don’t believe Chartrand ever suggested there’s any problem at all with bloggers who are also mothers. As for the “mommy blogger” genre, well, fair or unfair that gets a lot of criticism from most quarters.

Update: Woah, as Sungold ever set me stright? And in comments, below, Anonymous points to a post by Chartrand’s erstwhile gender-bending partner, “Harrison McCleod” who says the choice wasn’t as simple as Chartrand makes it sound. But it does indeed sound like she at least occasionally specifically criticized women writers as a class. Good to know. —fl

Bertold Brecht on the Persistence of (No-true-Scotsman style) Stereotypes

Mon, 2009-12-07 17:50

A dramatic reading from Galileo, a play by Bertolt Brecht, English version by Charles Laughton. It’s the last scene in the play and not always performed. I don’t know how many people are familiar with the play (lots?) but it very strongly influenced, and now nicely illustrates, my understanding of stereotype and its impact on perception.

Scene 14

Before a little italian customs house early in the morning ANDReA sits upon one of his traveling trunks at the barrier and read Galileo’s book. The window of a small house is still lit, and a big grotesque shadow, like an old witch andher cauldron, falls upon the house wall beyond. Barefoot CHILDREN in rags see it and point to the little house.

CHILDREN (singing):
One, two three four, five, six,
Old Marina is a witch,
At night, on a broomstick she sits
And on the church steeple she spits.

CUSTOMS OFFICER (to ANDREA) [etc…]

Meanwhile a little council of war among the CHILDREN has taken place. ANDREA quietly watches. one of the BOYS pushes forward by the others, creeps up to the little house from which the shadow comes, and takes the jug of milk on the doorstep.

ANDREA (quickly): Whatever are you doing with that milk?
BOY (stopping in mid-movement): She is a witch.

The other CHILDREN run away behind the customs house. One of them shouts “Run, Paolo!”

ANDREA: Hmm! And because she is a witch she mustn’t have milk. Is that the idea?

BOY: Yes.

ANDREA: And how do you know she is a witch?

BOY (points to shadow on house wall): Look!

ANDREA: Oh! I see.

BOY: And she rids on a broomstick at night — and she bewitches the coachman’s horses. My cousin Luigi looked through the hole in the stable roof, that the snowstorm made, and heard the horses coughing something terrible.

ANDREA: Oh! How big was the hole in the stable roof?

BOY: Luigi didn’t tell. Why?

ANDREA: I was asking because maybe the horses got sick because it was cold in the stable. You had better ask Luigi how big that hole is.

BOY: You are not going to say Old Marina isn’t a witch because you can’t.

ANDREA: No, I can’t say she isn’t a witch. A man can’t know about a think he hasn’t looked into, or can he?

BOY: No! But THAT! (He points to the shadow.) She is stirring hellbroth.

ANDREA: Let’s see. Do you want to take a look? i can lift you up.

BOY: you lift me to the window, Mister! (He takes a slingshot out of his pocket.) I can really bash her from there.

ANDREA: Hadn’t we better make sure she is a witch before we shoot? I’ll hold that.

The BOY puts the milk jug down and follows him reluctantly to the window. ANDREA lifts the boy up so that he can look in.

ANDREA: What do you see?

BOY (slowly): Just an old girl cooking porridge.

ANDREA: Oh! Nothing to it then. Now look at her shadow, Paolo.

The BOY looks over his shoulder and back and compares the reality and the shadow.

BOY: The big thing is a soup ladle.

ANDREA: Ah! A ladle! You see, I would have taken it for a broomstick, but I haven’t looked into the matter as you have, Paolo. Here is your sling.

CUSTOMS OFFICER (returning with the CLERK and handing ANDREA his papers): All present and correct. Good luck, sir.

ANDREA goes, reading Galileo’s book. The CLERK starts to bring his baggage after him. The barrier rises. ANDREA passes through, still reading the book. The BOY kics over the milk jug.

BOY (shouting after ANDREA): She is a witch! She is a witch!

ANDREA: You saw with your own eyes: think it over!

The BOY joins the others. They sing:

One, two, three, four, five, six,
Old Marina is a witch.
At night, on a broomstick she sits
And on the church steeple she sits.

The CUSTOMS OFFICERS laugh. ANDREA goes.

Source: Galileo; Copyright 1966 by Eric Bentley, Grove Press ISBN: 0-8021-4050-5; pages 126-129

The Paolo effect is what I had in the back of my mind for yesterdays post, “Jill Filipovic’s Answer to the “No True Scotsfeminist” Fallacy.”

It’s not that the stereotypes are insurmountable — they’re not or else Adrea would have succumbed to the witchcraft over 500 years ago as would we today. But they’re often persistent even in the face of direct counter-evidence.

The Emasculating Goof: Hey Guys, You Wanna Know What It Means to Be a Man? Look in the Mirror!

Tue, 2009-12-01 13:16

Summary: Failing to understand “everything I do is masculine” causes men (and their partners, and fellow men) unimaginable but also unnecessary grief.

Samhita of Feministing says

A movie about the changing tide of masculinity? I want to see.

She wrote about it here.

You know what drives me crazy about the trailer? A bunch of grown men with beards, penises, jobs, and partners wandering around worrying that they’re somehow not… men! WTF?

My metaphor for “masculinity” has cutting, carving, or tearing away of everything about biologically male humans that doesn’t fit the stereotype.

How can it be that we call rediscovering, embodying, or otherwise adding back the cut-away parts emasculating? Instead of, I don’t know, maybe remasculating.

What’s funny is that you never see “men’s liberation” groups pushing to expand the definition of masculinity to include more of the full range of human possibilities. Instead it’s all about trying to get everyone to agree our metaphorical amputations should be accepted and/or seen as superior.

p.s. and dear sweet mother of pearl how bought into stereotypes is it to say men are “finding their feminine side” when they do anything outside the confines of masculinity?

Question of Naming Rights: Bond, Sartre, and... What?... Bob Kerrey?

Thu, 2009-11-05 17:16

Great vocabulary question from Bond of Dear Diaspora:

That conflation of dozens of identities with each other under the “lesbian” heading is really a strange thing. Why, why do we have one measly word that’s supposed to be able to stretch to describe the experiences of, say, butch dykes who like femmes, femmes who like queer masculinity in the form of butches, bois, queer guys, etc., androdykes who only like other androdykes, and separatists for whom lesbianism is largely political ideology?

Read the quote in context here.

It all makes sense, of course, if you just mean “someone identified by straight people as female and not straight.” Which makes approximately as much sense as people of one nationality calling everyone else on the planet “foreigners.” The latter distinction only really makes sense to the people making the distinction.

As opposed to, say, their potential victims. But when you consider the distinction comes from people who want to operate on others (“should she be ‘cured’ of not having sex with men?” or “should we round them up and intern them?”) those kinds of definitions might be technically accurate and even pragmatic for those making the policies.

But not otherwise particularly useful for the identified. For instance the only thing a Hungarian and, say, an American Samoan in, say, Nebraska might have in common besides their location is their “foreigner-ness.” Or, as Bond points out, the only thing a femme and a separatist might have in common besides their identification-by-others is their not-sexual-interest in men.

Fear, Self-Flattery, and the Misuse of "Precious Bodily Fluids"

Sat, 2009-10-24 18:01

Sadie of Jezebel says

We got a number of distressed emails about a recent piece in Details. Possibly because the description read, “Getting tricked into fatherhood by a woman hell-bent on getting pregnant is much more common than you think.” Good to know!

Deceptive, baby-hungry women have always been a staple of male-mythology; punching a hole in a condom is the sort of thing we like to do between maxing out guys’ credit cards on shoes and sleeping with their best friends. So it’s not shocking that this particular urban horror story should make the lad-mag rounds just in time for Halloween.

Read the quote in context here.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure there are as many women who perforate condoms in order to get pregnant with their unwilling partners as there are men who do so to get their unwilling partner’s pregnant, i.e. some but not very many and certainly not enough to warrant a “words of warning” article in Details. (I mean… seriously, in the average Details readers dreams do women want to have their babies!) Sadie puts it in perspective:

For every Cosmo-wielding nutter this guy dredged up (and I’d really like to see the email he sent out requesting quotes from “friends”) he could have found ten thousand who found the idea not merely abhorrent, but insulting and frankly incomprehensible.

Of course, to the author it makes total sense

For the record, one needn’t be “pro-life” to recoil in horror at the implications of one adult using actual pregnancy as a ploy or, worse, punishment against another. It is absolutely and unequivocally a woman’s right to choose whether she will keep a pregnancy to term. It is not, however, the right of any party to chose parenthood for another without his or her competent decision to do so. And while some religious denominations might be sanguine about it, the idea of one person potentially creating a third human being for use as an instrument against another strikes me as brutal, thoughtless, and deeply alienated from the condition of being human. And can I just say it’s also a lousy, lousy reason to have sex. I don’t mention it as often anymore but this is the sort of thing I mean when I say I’m a prudish libertine: mutually agreed-upon sex is great. Mutually agreed-upon procreation is also great (as can be mutually agreed-upon sex for procreation.) Sex to make someone an unsuspecting parent, though, is just ewww!

But the above paragraph is a digression: Details- and perhaps Cosmo-reader fantasies notwithstanding, the likelihood of one adult partner attempting to make an involuntary parent of the other is vanishingly small when compared with, oh, say, the chances of both parties being confronted with the possibility of an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy do to failure to use contraception either correctly or, for that matter, at all. It would be lovely if Details, and its sister (in spirit if not in fact) publication, encouraged deeper introspection in that direction.

Correcting Nate Silver's Teabagger Penis-Size-Exaggeration Makes Teabaggers Even Bigger Liars

Mon, 2009-09-14 10:56

Via Amanda Marcotte, ace political statistician Nate Silver puts the scope of exaggeration by organizers of this weekend’s teabagger rally into perspective. Organizers claim there were two million people, pretty much everyone else put the figure at closer to 60,000.

Silver uses a vivid, and funny, but unfortunately gendered analogy.

That’s not a twofold or threefold exaggeration—it’s roughly a thirtyfold exaggeration.

The way this false estimate came into being is relatively simple: Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, lied, claiming that ABC News had reported numbers of between 1.0 and 1.5 million when they never did anything of the sort. A few tweets later, the numbers had been exaggerated still further to 2 million. Kibbe wasn’t “in error”, as Malkin gently puts it. He lied. He did the equivalent of telling people that his penis is 53 inches long.

He said it here.

I’m, um, not an ace mathematician so check my figures, but there’s a hidden insult in Silver’s number that a) makes it an unfortunate gendered insult but also b) diminishes the scope of Kibbe’s lie. Short version: Kibbe’s penis would have to be 1.5 inches long for his exaggeration to equal only 53 inches. Assuming he’s of average size instead then it’s like him telling people his penis is 196 inches long! Or 16 feet!

Point by implying Kibbe has a smaller penis Silver also made him seem like less of a liar.

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Long answer, showing my work:

First, let’s do the numbers to see just how big an insult Silver has cooked up.

60,000: Consensus crowd size estimate, discarding wingnut outlier
1,000,000: First estimate claimed by FreedomWorks organizers
1,500,000: Second estimate claimed by FreedomWorks organizers
2,000,000: Further inflated estimates by unidentified tweets

1,000,000 / 60,000 = exaggeration factor 16.7
53 inches / 16.7 exaggeration factor = 3.2 inch penis-size estimate for Kibbe by Silver

1,500,000 / 60,000 = exaggeration factor 25
53 inches / 25 exaggeration factor = 2.1 inch penis-size estimate for Kibbe by Silver

2,000,000 / 60,000 = exaggeration factor 33.3
53 inches / 33.3 exaggeration factor = 1.6 inch penis-size estimate for Kibbe by Silver

Unfortunately-gendered insults aside, and assuming Silver has no direct measurements of the specific teabagging wingnuts in question, then based on average penis sizes worldwide Silver would still only be exaggerating downward by a factor of 2 or 3, compared to an upwards exaggeration factor between 16.7 and 33.3 by FreedomWorks organizers.

Not that Kibbe comes out looking any better. Assuming he’s of average size then using the same exaggeration factors he used for his crowd estimates it’s the equivalent of him telling people that his penis is not 53 but between 98.5 and 196.4 inches! (That would be between 8 and 16 feet! Or for non-anti-science or French-cheese-eating types between 2.5 and nearly 5 meters! Or for football fans that would be between 2.7 and 5.5 yards!)

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Anyway, I guess me being a political sex blogger means I’m the one who has to grouse about the use and misuse of highly gendered body parts in political discourse. Even though he’s a racist, violence-advocating anti-democratic demagogue Matt Kibbe’s body is no more Nate Silver’s business than, say, Michelle Bachman’s body would be. In fact, because they’re both racist, violence-advocating, anti-democratic demagogues their bodies should be the least of our concerns.

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