jealousy

A Long Answer to the Question "How Can Someone Enjoy Lots of Sex Without Shame?"

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So the question over at Em & Lo's "Your Call" this week is "How Can a Woman Enjoy Lots of Sex Without Shame?" Specifically:

How does one go about feeling better about a very sexual personality? I realize I’m human and I accept sex and all that comes with it with open arms. However, our society does not. Obviously I’m not saying I sleep with the masses, but I do enjoy sex and I don’t feel I should have to hide that without being labeled “whore.”

Source: Today on EMandLO.com

I’m going to be a little contrarian here (especially for me) and say rather than be completely open about her sex life she might approach it the way a lot of wealthy people approach conversations about their money: proudly, without embarrassment, but also quietly.

If it comes up in conversation consider being non-defensive but indirect: “I’m just lucky to meet such wonderful people.” “Well, it’s not as big a deal as people say it is.” “I’m sorry, I’ll be busy next weekend.”

You’ll never please everybody and some people are going to be in a snit no matter how one frames it, but for lot of people the resistance lies somewhere their own obstacles and “must be nice” envy. Which is how most people also feel about other people’s financial good fortune. And based on the advice most often given to those with financial fortune, downplaying (without lying or denying) is probably the best way increase comfort levels all around.

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So I think this approach appeals to me in part because it makes an active sex life normal and unremarkable when there's overwhelming to make it extraordinary and noteworthy. Think about it like other normal and unremarkable things people do a lot of, like canning, golf, contra-dancing, couponing, scrap-booking, travel, and so on. On Monday mornings are you particularly interested in hearing someone else going on and on and on about their particular extracurricular activities?

Chances are that unless you share the same hobby you're going to be somewhere between jealous and bored stiff by a colleague going on and on and on and on about the rave they went to, their hang gliding workshops, their book club gossip, and so on. For all the slavering lather on magazine covers, cable TV programming, and, yes, blog posts, our sex lives just aren't that different from bass fishing or suduko tournaments: fascinating to us because... well... we're fascinated by it, but not really that fascinating to anyone else.

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Another point along these lines: People are generally quietly tolerant of things like a big appetite for money, sex, or travel, front-row season tickets, or (who knew) 1915 Cracker Jack baseball card collecting they don't like the feeling of having it rubbed in their faces.

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Final, most important figleaf-approved point: People have a surprisingly strong tendency to project our own disapprovals on others, with the result that, say, we may assume others disapproval is about the amount of sex we're having when instead a) they don't actually care one way or another and we mistake their indifference for disapproval, b) we mistake their wistfulness or envy for disdain, or c) they, again, we mistake their disapproval for getting their nose rubbed in it with disapproval of your sex life. Oh, or d) they actually don't much care for you but that's not why! One way or another we should be careful not to confuse how we think people "probably" feel for how they actually feel unless they tell us directly that, no, that really is what's bugging them.


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Longing: Jealousy as a Feeling of Unbearable Lightness

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Unbearable Lightness of Being DVD cover from Criterion Productions.

In comments to my post A Prudish Libertine's Thoughts on Jealousy, which is short enough to restate in its entirety: "One of the things I've learned as a reluctant but sincere monogamist is that a heck of a lot of what we construct as jealousy amounts not to possessiveness but longing," Ms.Inconspicuous said

"Can you elaborate on this please; what you mean by longing?"

I began to reply in comments and realized it was turning into a separate post.

As far back as my first long-term relationship in high school what I usually felt and called jealousy was about wishing for something that wasn't happening, and wasn't going to happen, and maybe even couldn't happen.

When my first girlfriend came back from a college course saying "I met this guy and we had sex so now I have to break up with you" it didn't bother me at all that she'd met someone, or that she'd had sex with them. It was that it meant (to her!) that we couldn't have our relationship too. It wasn't "hey, she's mine, nobody else can have her," it was a feeling of longing for what could no longer be.

Like when a friend I had a crush on hooked up with someone else. It wasn't that I didn't want them in each other's arms, it's that I wanted her in my arms too. It wasn't "hey, she shouldn't want to be with anyone but me." Instead it was a feeling of longing for a sense of closeness *right now,* even if I knew (as we could know such things in those days) that another night she *would* be with me.

And even now, to use an example from Ms. Inconspicuous's blog, even though I'm happily in a relationship when I hear her describe lying in bed with a lover, away from the world, reading The Unbearable Lightness of Being between bouts of sex and melting ice cream I'm filled with an impractical ache to do that with her. It's not that I think "it should have been me instead of him," and *certainly* isn't "it should be her instead of my partner!" Not at all. Instead it's knowing her and liking her even through the little windows of her writing, and longing to have known her better... known her well enough... to have done the same.

Multiply that by dozens of friends and hundreds of writers and thousands of situations and all the vagaries of time and age and distance and preference and it stops being about jealously "coveting my neighbor's wife nor his house nor his cattle" and so on, nor is it about jealous fear or anger that a neighbor might covet (or even have) a relationship with my partner. Instead it's an emptiness of knowing or fearing that what I long for will never be.

I guess in the simplest terms, at least for me, what I feel when I feel jealous isn't "I want that" as it is "that would be so nice." That, for me, is the difference between possessiveness and longing.

Incidentally, and speaking of impossibilities, what inspired my original post was reflecting on the experiences and expressions of first-time crushes, romance, love, and loss chiming softly through the newly-minted class of high-schoolers in my oldest child's circle of friends. I'd not go back, not least because I remember the anguish as well as the exhaltation. And for that matter I couldn't do that because I've already known first-time love, romance, danger, and lust. But I was feeling wistful jealousy for them and on reflection it occurred to me that, well, as I said the first time one heck of a lot of what we construct as jealousy amounts not to possessiveness but longing.

Update: I think poly people have a word, compersion, "a state of empathetic happiness and joy experienced when an individual's current or former romantic partner experiences happiness and joy through an outside source, including, but not limited to, another romantic interest." That's sort of the opposite of what I mean.  Or maybe the opposite of the opposite -- a genuine but wistful or empty happiness for the good fortune of others.  Oh, and for what it's worth, in The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, Milan Kundera had a great word, litost, for the desire for or action of self-sabotaging revenge that can arise through jealous longing.


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A Prudish Libertine's Thoughts on Jealousy

One of the things I've learned as a reluctant but sincere monogamist is that a heck of a lot of what we construct as jealousy amounts not to possessiveness but longing.


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The Two Rules of Desire and Gendered Jealousy

The Wise Guys column Em & Lo this week has something from me in it. Here’s the question.

Advice from three of our guy friends. This week they answer the following: “My boyfriend claims it means nothing when he looks at other women, and yet he gets jealous when I look at other men. Why is that?”

Read the quote in context here.

Here’s my answer (which, probably not coincidentally, is fairly closely follows my reactions in Interconnections: Women, Men, Infidelity, Morality, Betrayal, Dignity, “Manhood,” Etc..)

Straight Married Guy (Figleaf): Funny you should mention that. I’ve got a woman friend who flirts shamelessly but almost blacks out with jealousy when her partner so much as asks another woman to pass the salt. Her answer for the double standard is a lot like men’s: She knows she’s not looking to change relationships, so it’s okay for her, but not having the same insider information about what her partner’s thinking, she sees it as a total threat. Something similar is probably going though your partner’s head.

But that’s just the general case — there’s a more specific case related to what we “know” about men and women in relationships. We “know” that women are all “naturally” monogamous and men are just as “naturally” promiscuous, right? And so all your boyfriend’s cultural messages are that it’s really harmless for him to eye other women. He’d at most want a one-night stand, but we all “know” he wouldn’t want an emotional attachment. Meanwhile, though, all the cultural messages about you as a woman say that if you’re looking, it’s because you’d rather be with them. Forever! So he “knows” you’d really “only” want an emotional attachment and not a one-night stand. And as Em & Lo’s survey showed back in September, both men and women feel way more threatened by emotional infidelity than sexual infidelity. Is it fair that women are thought to be “naturally” monogamous and men are thought to be “naturally” promiscuous? No, but a lot of things aren’t fair, and jealousy will probably always be with us. The bigger question is whether it’s true? No, it’s not. Which is a bigger problem, but one that, unlike jealousy, we can get over.

Lot of scare quotes in that response. But then words like “know” and “natural” are scary in declarations about gender differences.

But bottom line I think the bogus Two Rules of Desire, wherein it’s both inconceivable and intolerable for a woman to just think some guy’s good looking, accounts for most of the double standards of gender and jealousy.


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Matisse on Problems With Polyamory's One Penis Policy

Cool post about a… peculiarity of a lot of nominally polyamorous behavior from Matisse of Mistress Matisse’s Journal

I think the basis for the One Penis Policy is basically insecurity and sexism.

Read the quote in context here.

Her column slamming what she calls the One Penis Policy in Seattle’s alt-weekly The Stranger generated a lot of heat. The policy, evidently pretty common in a lot of open relationships, involves the man saying it’s ok for him to sleep with other women, and it’s ok for his partner to sleep with other women, but it’s not ok for her to sleep with other men.

The post I’ve quoted nicely dismantles the most frequently-raised justifications. For instance

I am utterly unimpressed with any talk about how it’s really about STDs or pregnancy. For one thing, both those can be controlled with a pretty high degree of success. Trust me on that, I’ve been doing it myself for years. Sexual health education, careful management, and planning ahead eliminate a lot of the risks in multiple-partner situations.

Besides, it takes two to pass an STD, or get someone pregnant. I find it hypocritical in the extreme that a man would want to have other female sexual partners himself – thus exposing them to those possible risks – but say it’s too much risk for his original partner. Frankly, I think that type of attitude should not be dignified with the name polyamory.

That that’s not a completely obvious point is kind of, um, gendered? First, because why is it worse for one partner to get an STI than another? Second, because why is a woman getting an STI (intrinsically) worse than a man? Third, because can’t women get STIs from other women? (Yes.) And finally because who, exactly, to straight men tend to get STIs from in the first place? And as far as pregnancy goes, how, exactly, is pregnancy less problematic with a poly man and another woman than for his primary partner and another man?

Matisse is also wonderfully clear about the role other partner’s feelings should take in choosing one’s own partners (assuming one has chosen to take other partners in the first place.)

I am not suggesting that the woman in the hypothetical couple is obligated to have sex with other men, okay? She gets to make that decision. And you know what, if she chooses not to sleep with other guys because she knows her male partner wouldn’t like it – well, that’s her choice.

Of course it’s her choice anyway. But there is a huge difference between your partner saying “No way can you sleep with other men. I cannot handle that.” versus your partner say “It would be hard for me. I’d rather you didn’t. But the choice is yours.” One is pressure, and one is stating a preference.

And getting back to her original point about sexism and insecurity behind the One Penis Policy

Now, feeling of insecurity and sexism are both pretty common (to both men and women), and neither of those things makes someone a Bad Person. But they are traits that can be changed, and being less insecure and less sexist will make someone a better person.

That’s nicely put. Good luck never feeling jealous or insecure (though see also men’s indoctrinated conviction that they’ll always compare unfavorably to every other male lover their partner either remembers or considers.) And, living as we do in a sexism-saturated culture, never being sexist is even harder than it looks. But there really are benefits to working on minimizing both. Whether you’re “polyamorous” or not.

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Also: note the oppositional sexism in the notion that it’s ok for a man to get someone pregnant but not ok for a woman to get pregnant. Or that women are vulnerable to STIs but not men?

There’s oppositional sexism as well in the notion that a man, being “naturally promiscuous” can have multiple women partners without threatening his primary relationship but that a woman, being “naturally monogamous” can’t.

As for the perplexing but conventional notions that a) women but not men are somehow “naturally bisexual” yet b) it’s never as much of a male-jealousy trigger for them to have female partners as male ones? You could spend all afternoon unpacking the assumptions and stereotypes behind that!

All in all it’s a nice thought-provoking post

Update: Just to be clear, I’m no more concerned about (hetero) polyamory itself than I am with (hetero) monogamy. The one-penis policy is built right into the definition of monogamy but in practice infidelity in men has long been both expected and tolerated more than infidelity in women. It’s just harder to pretend it’s invisible when it shows up in multi-partner contexts, and thus easier to call out the underlying double standard.


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