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"I Was Showing How These [Customers] Think"

Mon, 2008-11-17 15:19

Peridot Ash of had a nice discourse last week on the difference between how many sex-worker customers behave towards sex workers (evidently mostly politely) and how they often** think and/or talk about them in “escort review” venues. Ash, a sex-worker herself, wrote an informational post about pre-screening customers. Her tip got picked up on one of the “review” sites and was… poorly received.

I really did not mean she was intelligent. I was showing how these girls think.
I do agree with you.
The links were also enlightening.
After all she is a hooker,not smart to begin with.

There’s quite a bit more of the same, and her very level-headed reactions, here.

I’m… pretty sure there’s some bluster and/or self-loathing involved in such deprecating, denigrating language but even so, as we used to say down southern Appalachia it tain’t right and it cain’t be healthy.

Part of why I advocate legalizing prostitution is so sex-workers can have better, legal avenues for screening customers, not because it would make life easier for the customers who write these kinds of reviews.

(Note: And no, it doesn’t help to say “well, there are millions of trolls on the internet to begin with. Because, um, who are they then?)

(Via Amber Rhea.)

[** But sure, not always. —fl]

Sharing Risks and Responsibilities

Fri, 2008-11-07 17:05

Following up on my previous post, which also quoted this post by Cara of Feministe. She also said of New York prosecutors decision not to charge former Governor Elliot Spitzer.

There’s nothing to be surprised about here, and not just because Eliot Spitzer used to be governor.  It’s because, as this NYT article notes, clients are rarely prosecuted:

Patricia A. Pileggi, who once prosecuted public corruption cases in Brooklyn, agreed with Mr. Garcia that the federal government does not, as a general rule, prosecute johns in prostitution cases. She said that she once represented a madam in a criminal case and recalled that the clients in the matter were never charged, despite there being evidence to do so.

“What I’m seeing,” Ms. Pileggi said, referring to Mr. Garcia’s decision, “is completely consistent with how they’ve handled other matters.”

And that’s precisely the problem.

As you may know, I support decriminalization of prostitution.  But if we’re going to prosecute those involved with it — which I unfortunately think we will for some time — there is absolutely no non-misogynistic excuse to not charge the clients.  Not prosecuting the clients indicates that selling sex is morally repugnant, but buying it is not.  It indicates that there is something repulsive and wrong about women having sex with many men for a fee, but not about men paying many women fees for that sex.  It says that there is something that needs to be condemned and punished about female sexuality, and in fact female survival, but male sexuality and exploitation ought to just be shrugged off as “boys will be boys.“  And it sure as hell doesn’t do a damn bit of good to help those women who we pretend to be so concerned about.

Read the quote in context here.

In my previous post I proposed that while not all customers may be stigma-avoiding, those customers who are embarrassed or ashamed of their involvement benefit disproportionately and therefore may be more invested in keeping prostitution illegal than those of us who have never been customers at all. (In a footnote I also speculated, darkly, that such reluctance might explain why so many customers seem otherwise inexplicably sanguine about paying pimps and traffickers for sex with the involuntarily conscripted.)

Anyway, like Cara I too favor decriminalization. And consequently I believe that if prosecutors are going to enforce the law against prostitutes they should bloody well enforce it against their customers as well. Or maybe another way of saying that would be until prosecutors stop enforcing laws against prostitution they should start enforcing laws against customers.

It’s not just a matter of fairness, or avoidance of hypocrisy, it’s also a matter of strategy and tactics. Governor Spitzer and Senator Vitter both knew they risked at best embarrassment. (Even Spitzer, had he not made such a big splash about prosecuting sex workers, might have been able to bluff his way through without resigning.) Consequently, despite potentially having considerable say in the matter, they had virtually no incentive to help decriminalize the activities they benefitted from. Perhaps they, and the tens or hundreds of thousands of other public figures who may also quietly be customers, would take a clearer perspective on the business if they had as much “skin” in the game as the men and women they buy sex from.

A Most Ingenious Paradox: Who Benefits When Prostitution is Illegal?

Fri, 2008-11-07 11:50

Cara of Feministe says

“In light of the policy of the Department of Justice with respect to prostitution offenses and the longstanding practice of this office, as well as Mr. Spitzer’s acceptance of responsibility for his conduct, we have concluded that the public interest would not be further advanced by filing criminal charges in this matter,” Garcia said.

Right, because that’s how we often treat the women who work as prostitutes, isn’t it? They accept “responsibility” and law enforcement decides to just let it go, because how does it serve the public interest to prosecute women and humiliate them openly in a society that condemns their work, especially when they’re very often only doing the job because they’re desperate for money, or have even been forced or coerced?

Oh no, wait, actually Eliot Spitzer himself was well-known for prosecuting those running prostitution services and working for them, but not the clients.

Read what else she said here.

I still think one of the biggest obstacles to legalization of prostitution is that customer anonymity — the occasional very rare arrest here and there notwithstanding — is better protected.

Which by the way has to be one of the weirdest elements of prostitution in its current social construction.

I mean consider: if prostitution is legal then there’s nothing wrong with hiring a prostitute*. And if there’s nothing wrong with it there’s nothing to be ashamed of. And if there’s nothing to be ashamed of then there are no additional consequences for having it learned you hire prostitutes**.

And yet customers far more than sex-workers seem reluctant, embarrassed, or even ashamed to have their activities known.

Now, right about now your mouse pointer is probably hovering over the “comment” link… or maybe the “close window” one. But chill for a minute, I promise there’s a non-“moralizing” point to this.

Whether or not one should feel reluctant, embarrassed, ashamed, or even (especially?) afraid to be known as a customer the vast, vast majority is! And rather than try and unwind why let’s just accept that it is that way… heck, let’s be generous and say people feel that way not for any reason but for every reason. They just do.

Oh, just one more stop and I’ll get to the point: Elliot Spitzer faces no meaningful legal penalties for hiring prostitutes. Senator David Vitter (R-Louisiana) faced no legal penalties***. Heck, for some reason even customer of pimps who pay to have sex with minor children evidently face no legal penalties! Heck, Spitzer and Vitter remain married and Vitter is still a Senator in good standing with both his party and, evidently, his constituency so there aren’t even meaningful social, domestic, or employment penalties.

So. If there’s a) stigma associated with being a customer but b) no meaningful legal consequences if you’re caught then what’s going to make you feel more comfortable that you’ll never be outed: legal prostitution where the workers one hires have nothing to worry about or illegal prostitution where the workers you hire risk legal consequences far, far higher than you do****?

Just my way of saying one shouldn’t assume that none of 123,508 voters who opposed Proposition K were customers, or that all who voted for it were.

[* Unless they’re involuntarily trafficked or pimped, in which case there’s something very wrong. But then one never hires a conscript for sex, one pays the conscripts pimp or trafficker who lets you rape them. —fl]

[** Obviously there might be ordinary consequences but those can arise any time, for instance, one partner in a personal or business relationship spends non-discretionary joint earnings on any activity without consulting the other partner. —fl]

[*** The operator of the escort service Vitter used, Debora Jean Palfry, should have been so lucky — she took her own life after being sentenced to 55 years in prison. I’m not saying there are no meaningful consequences, just there are none for customers. —fl]

[**** Hmmm… another reason so many customers seem so barkingly casual about paying pimps and traffickers for sex with involuntary conscripts? Funny what a powerful force shame can be, eh? —fl]

Prostitution: Fear of Loathing

Sat, 2008-05-17 12:04


Photo by Flickr user mac42. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Kink in exile, who works for international charity groups and moonlights on the side as a sex-worker recounts a funny-on-the-surface, scary-underneath anecdote

A while ago I was working in a private show booth at a peep show.  I had a guy come in with a special request.

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“Dominate me.“  It wasn’t a command; more like a whispered plea. ... How do you dominate someone through a glass wall?

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But as soon as the guy’s orgasm was over he turned beet red.  He practically burrowed into the wall while trying to simultaneously put his pants on, shove a very generous tip into my box, and apologies for making me do that.  Pants on, he ran out of the both faster than any customer before or since.

It breaks my heart that anyone would be so ashamed of their desires.  I swear, I want to take them home like lost puppy dogs.

She said it here. (Emphasis mine)

The relationship between sex workers and customers is far more complex than most people give them credit for. On the one hand if one felt sex work was a bad idea one might feel irked that the guy, no matter how shy or how sincere his apology, sought to pay someone to do something he believes was demeaning to her. But then you might miss the opportunity to be justifiably compassionate for someone so benighted he can’t imagine women wanting to be sexual, let alone sexually dominant without unless someone pays them to be. The point being that while it’s pretty great that Kink in Exile was there for him his homelife, the place where all that baggage surely remains packed, may not be much fun for him… or his partner or partners.

Anyway, I think people get the idea I’m hostile to sex work in general, and maybe prostitution in particular, because I say things like that about customers. But the thing is I’m not hostile to it, I’m just aggravated, concerned, and impatient with it’s overall current state.

Which involves too many circumstances like Kink in Exile’s where someone already deeply conflicted comes in, requests and receives a particular activity, and then rushes out the door ashamed (maybe ok) and apologizing for… requesting and receiving the activity. So I’m going to repeat, without focusing too narrowly on that one individual, what’s the overall consequence of customers who feel that conflicted?

One hopes they’re enormously thankful that someone’s out there who can accomodate their particular hot buttons, and one is sure that often that’s exactly how they feel. But… there’s also a very strong tendency for people, once their arousal hormones subside, to feel loathing not only for themselves but the people they feel “enable” them. This is how the serial killler Gary Ridgeway felt about the prostitutes he initially hired, then hired and murdered, and then possibly just murdered. The point being not (obviously) that conflicted customers become serial killers of prostitutes but that the continuum of conflicted feelings can extend in directions other than gratitutde.

So when I say I’m impatient with sex work as it stands I mean I wish it was legal enough, and customers and the friends, family, and acquaintances of customers, were mature and well-informed enough that people recognized that sex workers — like psychiatrists, dentists, proctologists, and other health providers — are trained and able to meet possibly embarrassing needs of their clients without themselves being being embarrassed or degraded. I’m not saying it’s the responsibility of sex workers to councel, educate, or even engage customers in order to promote a better understanding. I am saying I’m aggravated, concerned, and impatient that such understanding is not in evidence (as evidenced by, for instance, Kink in Exile’s customer.) And I feel that way because I believe the status quo puts sex worker’s lives, safety, and legal freedoms at risk.

And here’s another element of the equation with that customer I’m concerned about. If he leaves, ashamed and apologetic, and believing he’s just paid someone to demean herself for his gratification (which, remember, wasn’t Kink in Exile’s experience of it) then what, exactly, is going to be his sexual, let alone emotional, relationship with his partner at home?

We already know “whore” is a pretty common put-down for women who don’t fit, especially, men’s ideas of women’s sexual propriety. (Remember the flip side of the “no-sex” class paradigm: women not only aren’t naturally sexual but shouldn’t be!) So what if this guy accidentally let’s slip his “filthy secret” and his partner says “Oh sweetie is that all? No problem… now touch your toes.” To be honest that would be wonderful and they’d live happily ever after. But… also to be honest… I don’t see it happening. First because he clearly doesn’t think it’s appropriate in the first place, and second because he can go pay already “sullied” peep-show operators or maybe “pro-doms” to take that hit.

My point is, over and over again, that it’s not a problem that there are people… mostly but not exclusively women… who will indulge their customer’s fantasies and/or urges. In fact there’s nothing wrong with that at all. Nor, for that matter, is it a problem that men who know exactly what they’re doing and don’t have any conflicts would hire prostitutes either. Instead my point is it’s exactly a problem that there are customers like Kink in Exiles. It’s a problem that many customers — too many — are like hers.

Am I even saying that if it’s detected it’s the sex-worker’s responsibility to work to alter a customer’s negative, two-faced, and incorrect attitudes not only towards them but towards other, non-paid partners in his life? Not necessarily.

I am saying, however, that too much of the indirect, “collateral” harm done by prostitution in the world is done because too many customers, and too many people who see themselves as “too good” to become customers, have those dangerously, amounts-to-misogynistically alienated attitudes.

Sure only “whores” have sex willingly? So much more reason to lacerate your daughters with FGM. Sure “whores” are already impure anyway? So much more reason to choose one of them when you’re looking for someone to rob, rough up, rape, or serially murder. Feel conflicted about “out of the ordinary**” sex with women? Well then if hiring a “free” woman gives you too much of the willies then how about a nice really “out of it” target like an substance-abuser/subsistance prostitute? Or a trafficked one? You already feel horrible about yourself so… why not go whole hog?

Bottom line is that I feel absolutely unambiguously that prostitution (as opposed to involuntary sexual slavery… or any kind of slavery) ought to be legal because I believe that’s the best way to protect all sex workers (and not just all the other kinds of sex workers except prostitutes.) But I agree with… a subset of sex-work opponents that merely legalizing it won’t solve the underlying social problems that leave us with customers running away in shame, relieved that the “good” women in your life have been “spared.”

Unlike anti-sex-worker activists I just happen think the solution is to get rid of the attitudes, not the sex workers. (In fact anti-sex-workers often contribute to the problem by characterizing sex workers as drones, slaves, and indeed never naturally interested in “kinks,” as well as characterizing customers as already irredeemable evildoers. Instead of hung-up bozos.***)

[** Remember, despite all talk of desperate customers seeking “unusual” services, for too many customers what counts as “unusual” is… oral sex, hand-jobs, and maybe anal intercourse. Sure, Kink in Exile’s customer was a little further across the lane markers but… not so much further over that he should have felt so conflicted. Which is, again, why I consider it a warning sign.) —fl]

[*** If you as a customer, or your personal customers, are not hung-up bozos then good for you, you’re obviously not who I’m worrying about. On the other hand who I am worrying about is making your life a heck of a lot harder. —fl]

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