misandry

Hypocrisy, Irony, and Perspective Regarding Gendered Use of Two "C-Words"

Sun, 2011-11-13 11:21

David Futrelle has the scoop.

The most common “critique” of the #mencallmethings hashtag that blew up on Twitter last week was that the women posting examples of misogynistic shit they got called online were making a big deal out of nothing.

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It’s funny, then, that when MRAs find themselves described with less-than-flattering language they have a strange tendency to act like they’ve suddenly been struck with a case of the vapors. Witness the reaction of MRAs when someone calls them the “c-word.” No, not “cunt” – “creep.”

Source: Man Boobz

Now as it happens, I agree that calling a man a creep is a very, very rude thing. And implying that all men are creeps, as, say, the egregiously offensive Robert Jensen evidently routinely does is really, really degrading, demeaning, and very bad. (Not to mention, in Jensen anyway, extraordinarily self-hating.)

But, seriously, a little perspective here would be welcome. If you think someone is "thin skinned" or "can't take a joke" just because you called her a "cunt*" but when she turns around and calls you a "creep" you have a heavy metal breakdown? Irony. It's in the dictionary somewhere between "hypocrisy" and "perspective."

* or any subset of other gender-specific epithets Sady Doyle has conveniently cataloged in a single post.

Sounds Like MTV's Teen Werewolf Reboot Might Want to Teach Girls All the Wrong Lessons About Boys and Romance During Puberty

Mon, 2011-06-20 23:40

So on the cool pop-media analysis blog Overthinking It, a blogger named Stokes pulls some cool insights into a reboot of the schlocky 80's movie Teen Werewolf and its 2011 reboot as an MTV series. First insight was that werewolf stories are metaphors for the myriad disruptions of male puberty, from crazy hormone-driven emotional fluxes to disturbingly rapid growth to unwelcome physical reactions to, well, hair growing all over your face. The second was that while the original Teen Wolf saw transformation more as a metaphor for boys' uncontrollable awkwardness, the reboot has a much darker view of emergence into manhood.

In the original movie, this would have been fodder for the comedy of humiliation.  Oh no!  SHE’S GOING TO REALIZE THAT I HAVE AN ERECTION!  Must… fight… embarrassment!  And the important lesson, of course, is that eventually you have to realize that these sexual drives are part of who you are, and if the girl likes you enough she’s not going to mind even a little.  But in the darker and edgier Teen Wolf reboot, the threat is not that she’s going to notice — rather, it’s that he’s going to lose control and tear her limb from limb.  Taking its (deeply sexist and problematic) cue from the Twilight series, Teen Wolf: The Next Generation suggests that teenaged boys are seething cauldrons of hormonal lust that are always a whisker away from exploding into a whirlwind of passionate, bodice-ripping… well, rape.  There’s not a nice or polite way to put it; that’s what the subtext is about.  And it’s meant to be sexy, which is kind of gross.

Source: Overthinking It

It's a very cool insight. First, because of the possibility that werewolf stories could be used to help young men through the transition into getting a handle on their new assets and liabilities. As Stokes puts it,

The old Teen Wolf movie is fundamentally about being unhappy with the very bodily nature of one’s own developing body.  It’s not body horror in the classic sense, where what you are becoming is abominable and terrifying to look on.  Rather, the monstrous body is funny looking. Not terrifying but mortifying, embarrassing.  Teen Wolf is also about getting past that – realizing that along with funny odors and hair-every-which-where, puberty also maybe gives you some enhanced basketball skills.  And maybe members of the opposite sex aren’t as weirded out by your new body as you are yourself. And eventually once you’ve grown up completely, you start shaving and wearing deodorant, and your testosterone-crazed fight-or-flight reflexes calm down a little, and you make out with your childhood friend rather than the unattainable cheerleader type, opting for love and companionate marriage rather than a more juvenile romance based on lust and status.

The second insight, the one that ties in with the Twilight series, is that instead of providing boys with proxies that can help them resolve their own issues the new series serves the purpose of teaching girls to process their feelings about boys in decidedly anti-feminist ways.  Because that whole "ZOMG, if he didn't control himself literally every second Edward could totally rip her throat out... because that's what love is" is... sort of the worst possible gender expectations-setting you can imagine.

Because, seriously, it sounds like the 80s version had it exactly right.  The self-control most boys are struggling with is the intense desire not to humiliate themselves with testosterone's... um... byproducts.  If the message girls are getting instead is that boys are struggling not to (romantically!) massacre them it's...

It's going to create some disconnects that just aren't going to serve either boys or girls once they do leave puberty.

Oh, and extra credit in the "wrong message" department?  In the new version not only does becoming a werewolf fail to make the victim even more of a confused loner than he was before...

I find most of the “good side” of the protagonist’s wolfification pretty ugly to begin with — there’s nothing wrong with enhanced senses or physical speed in and of themselves, but he quickly and cheerfully uses his gifts to turn himself into a fratty douche.  The character’s name is Scott, but I kept wanting to call him Chad, or possibly just “Broseph.”   Who knows, maybe over the course of the series he’ll learn a valuable lesson about not being a hyper-competitive Type-A jagoff all the damn time.

In other words it turns you into a privileged asshole who... will rip his girlfriend's throat out any time he actually loses control.

Charming!

 

Case Study: the Two Rules of Desire are Driven By Men's Assumption that Sex is Always About Them

Sat, 2011-06-11 06:51

David Futrelle found a seriously complicated expression of the bogus Two Rules of Desire. What's unusual about it is that it's driven so thickly by Rule #2 (It's simultaneously inconceivable and intolerable for a man to be sexually desired.)  Basically he found a seemingly-sincere post from a highly... conflicted young man on the website Is It Normal.  Here's Futrelle

[T]his guy hates female sexuality in part because, well, he thinks the male body is ugly and so assumes – or at least feels on a gut level —  that any woman having sex with a man is being coerced, bamboozled, or raped. Yep, we’re talking about a rich and toxic stew of misogyny and misandry here. Let’s let him explain:

What little mysogyny I have in me is directed at female sexuality. I can’t stand it that females are attracted to males, ever. I hate them a little for it, just feel it in my gut. I thought for a long time when I was younger that females were basically asexual, not interested in sex, and that romance for them was something far removed from physical love. It didn’t occur to me that anyone might find the male form attractive, and I always suspected males were using some form of deception or raping women in some way when they were with them. I don’t understand this hate and distrust for my own sex. It really bothers me.

I hate that I feel there’s something wrong with a female having an active sexuality when I know intellectually there’s not.

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Source: Man Boobz

Ouch!

The Two Rules of Desire are driven heavily by the mainstream and therefore heterosexual male impression that sex is driven entirely by men's desire and that women only agree to sex in exchange for something... anything else.  The hope of pregnancy, for safety and security, maybe just dinner and a movie, or even cold hard cash are all ok.  But just "I'm horny and I'm hoping you'll help me do something about it?"  Not so much.

It would just be funny or sad if the young man didn't appear to feel angry at women who "violate" his image of what women's sexuality really ought to be.  Even if there was no misandry in his position (there's lots) and even his position wasn't misogynistic (it is) it would still be bloody fucking oppressive.  Because it would still be an almost pure expression of the dominant paradigm's view of men as the "sex class" (obliged eternally to demand sex) and women as the "no-sex class," (completely disinterested in sex per se which must always be reluctantly "earned" or "taken" but never freely offered.)

Ugg!

On Alienation, Creepiness of Men/Females, Women/Males Language Choices

Fri, 2010-07-02 07:27

While we’re on the subject of sex-related vocabulary, Holly of The Pervocracy reminds me of a tic that annoys me to no end.

I hate it when people call women “females.” I have one friend who does it because she was in the military and it was standard practice there, and occasionally I’ll say it when I specifically mean biological females rather than women, but 98% of the time it’s douchebaggery. Rule of thumb: if you say “females and males” it’s okay, but if you say “females and guys/men,” you’re probably a douchebag.

She said it here.

It really isn’t exclusive to misogynists: for instance the otherwise perfectly accessible bell hooks has the same completely annoying tic going the other way, and as Holly says they do the same thing to both genders in the military and, to a lesser extent, in police organizations.*

In the military or police it makes a little sense to put that layer of abstraction — it’s way easier to see or say (or, yikes, do!) when you can say something like “minor female down” rather than “a little girl is badly injured.” But whereas that sort of psychological separation might make it easier for soldiers, police, firefighters, or EMTs remain dispassionate in emotionally-charged situations, that kind of distancing is problematic in the extreme when you humanize one sex but “animalize” or objectify another.

At the very least it sounds alienated. At worst it sounds ominously creepy.

* While walking through a shopping mall I once overheard a mall cop pretentiously instructing a janitor that there had been some sort of disturbance “in the females’ restroom.”

Susannah Breslin Doesn't Like Feminism But She Doesn't Like Men Either.

Sat, 2010-05-15 09:16

Wow, check out Suzannah Breslin’s nearly zero-information post at The Frisky called What His Favorite Sexual Position Says About Him. It would still be lame if it turned out it was accidentally tagged “sex” instead of “humor” it’s lame.

It’s basically a rundown of five sex positions with snorky declarations about the kind of men who’d enjoy such a thing. According to her men who prefer missionary, “pile driver,” tantra, or woman on top are all some kind of lame loser dudes. Even her guy who prefers rear entry (which like too many other people she dismissively calls “doggie style”) sounds disordered.

Even without the TMI about wearing tube socks. It means “He’s a butt-man? ... He won’t stop talking about your butt. When you say you want to try it missionary-style, he looks at you like you done lost your mind, girl.” Seriously? That’s it? No other reason he might like sex from behind?

Too bad because a) even if you are obsessed with butts rear-entry isn’t the only way or even the best way to enjoy them and b) there are a million other reasons for liking rear entry that range from darkly selfish ones to goopily mutual, from mechanically expedient to operatically emotional, and from arrogant dominance to faceless servicing.

Also, unless it’s some new seedy porn-valley lingo the rest of us aren’t yet privy to, “pile driver” doesn’t mean what Breslin seems to think it means (her illustrations suggest she means switching rapidly between sixty-nine oral and missionary and woman on top intercourse.)

Its current seedy-porn meaning is neither comfortable nor particularly safe for the participants (slipped disks for her, fractured penises for him) but does let the cameraman film the all-important naughty bits from across the room without getting out of his lawn chair.

She even misses the point of missionary! I mean, yeah, sure, I guess, you can look into each other’s eyes while doing it, that’s true for pile-driver too! The thing about missionary is that, like slow dancing but unlike porn positions, it’s most memorable when done not eye to eye but cheek to cheek.

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A while back Breslin got roundly thumped for dissing and dismissing feminism. Her Frisky post clears things up quite a bit since she also disses and dismisses men who prefer… pretty much all the basic ways to have intercourse (face to face, face to back, lying down, kneeling, and sitting up, man on top, woman on top, and man behind.) In other words, like most anti-feminists, she doesn’t like men either.

(Link via Em & Lo)

Anti-Feminism and Misandry: More Reasons Why Real Men Should Never Feel Threatened by Feminism

Mon, 2010-03-08 14:59

fMhLisa of Feminist Mormon Housewives stands up for feminism and men (I’ve mildly reformatted her post)

So there’s this one debate, you may be familiar with it . . .

One side of this debate says stuff like:

  • Feminists hate men.
  • Feminists attack men.
  • Feminists want to weaken men.

And I hear many of these same people saying:

  • Men only think (or care) about one thing.
  • Men  don’t have a strong moral compass and need women to (gently) guide them to do the right thing.
  • A man’s pride controls him, so don’t bruise it by being bossy.  It’s okay to get your way, just so long as he thinks it’s his idea and feels strong and manly about it.
  • Men are visual, they can’t help it, so cover up because he can’t control himself.
  • Men are simple creatures who need food, sex, sports, money, and fast cars.  Don’t expect him to have (or express!) a complicated inner life with emotions and crap.
  • Men are naturally less righteous than women, so they need this here God-powered crutch gift to raise them up (nearly) to our level.
  • Men have to think they’re in charge, or they quit trying. So we’ll just tell’em they preside (even if we really are equal partners), and let’em assign someone to say the prayer.
  • You also gotta let men have all the leadership positions, cause otherwise they’ll stay home and watch football.
  • If we don’t let men have the priesthood (and make the money, and protect us from spiders ‘n rapists), then women wouldn’t really need men. (Since other than that all they’re good for is sperm donors?)

So wait . . .

Who is it that attacks, weakens, and hates men?

I nicked her whole post from here.

An even better question? Who created the stereotype of men that feminists are supposed to hate so much? Anti-feminists hate, fear, and are strongly disgusted by men. Feminists? Exasperated sometimes, when we men mistake anti-feminist stereotypes for compliments maybe. But hate? Not so much. Certainly not the way anti-feminists hate us.

Glenn Beck Thinks Women Psycho, Men Less Ambitious Than Flatworms

Thu, 2010-01-28 19:55

Jezebel of Evil Slutopia quotes right-wing troll Glenn Beck who, after deciding it’s not enough to slander his own partner, three daughters, plus the remaining 51% of the population decides to slander men as well. (Their source is from Beck and a colleague discussing Scott Brown’s victory speech.)

GLENN: Guys you can figure out: Food, sex. That’s it.

STU: Two step process.

GLENN: It really is. Feed me, make love to me, let me sleep.

STU: Sleep, yeah. That would be the third, sleep.

GLENN: Come on.

STU: That’s pretty much the bottom line.

Read the quotes in context at here.

Actually, technically, what Beck and his broadcast partner are doing is setting an expectation for men: anything besides sex and food should be irrelevant to us or, being a little more specific, everything else a man might want should be secondary. Dispensable. Defer-able.

Note also the expectations he sets: the main things men need “Feed me, make love to me” must be given to him. He can’t do them himself!

Given by or… maybe with a diamond, maybe with a couple of roofies… gotten from someone.

And given Beck’s presumption that all men are heterosexual who, exactly, is he expecting to “feed me, make love to me, let me sleep?” Women, or as he puts it, “psychos.” Who just don’t understand that all they should bother men with are feeding him, fucking him, and letting him sleep.

Yeah, that would make me psycho too. I fear for his little girls. Not because he’ll expect them to feed him and fuck him. But because he’s saying he’ll give them absolutely no support… and just tell them they’re psychos… if when they’re older they want more from a partner than someone to feed or fuck to sleep.

Listen, flipping male flatworms want more out of life than food and sex and all they’ve got is primitive notochords, but Beck is adamant that’s all men want?

Round-y side of the spoon down when you try to eat soup, dude.

Reinforcing the Myth of Male Weakness: Ever Notice How 'Blame the Victim' Isn't Used to Excuse Female Perpetrators?

Mon, 2010-01-25 14:18

Following up on my previous post about problems with blaming the victim: You might have noticed that throughout the post it looked like I was assuming all rape and sexual assaults are committed by men.

Actually, no, I’m not making that assumption at all — if for no other reason then because when I was roughly pre-school age I was physically sexually assaulted by a roughly middle-school aged girl. (And, of course, there are plenty of other reasons.) I also wasn’t making that assumption even the vast preponderance of sexual assaults really actually happen to be perpetrated by men. I wasn’t even making an assumption because narratives about male predation are even more prevalent than actual male predation.

Nope. I made the calculated decision to speak about men in the context of “she asked for it” victim blaming because…

you ready?...

When a woman sexually assaults or rapes someone — a man, another woman, a child, whatever, you know what they don’t say?

They don’t say “well, the victim was asking for it.”

They don’t say “well, she just couldn’t help herself.”

You know, the way they do when a man sexually assaults or rapes someone.

What do they say instead when a woman does it? That she’s mentally ill? That she’s traumatized from her own abuse (as, incidentally, I strongly suspect was the case with the girl who assaulted me.) That, in other words, she was broken, damaged, crazy, or otherwise not an otherwise perfectly normal person who’s hormones just got away from her in the face of irresistable provocation.

In other words when a woman does it there’s never any question about who’s at fault. No question that she deliberated, made a decision, and then acted on that decision. No question that it’s the assailant’s fault and not her victim.

Yes, yes, if you thought about that for very long you notice the bitter irony that whether as victim or assailant rape is always held that the woman is at fault. Believe me that hasn’t escaped me but while it’s not a small issue it’s one that’s heavily dependent on the main point of this post:

Notice how the characterizations of women perpetrators do not mitigate the assumptions about men’s inherent weakness and sub-human dependability and responsibility inherent in the standard “blame the victim” scripts mentioned in the preceding post: in one important regard women are held responsible for their victimization because men aren’t expected to be responsible in the first place.

And, once again, they say feminists hate men!

Ever Notice How Blame the Victim Narratives Reinforce the Myth of Male Weakness?

Mon, 2010-01-25 14:11

Robot-Heart has a cool post that gets back to problem with the whole “myth of male weakness“ ideology

“Left to my own devices, I never would have been raped. The rapist was really the key component to the whole thing. I was sober; I was wearing sweatpants and an oversized t-shirt; I was at home; my sexual history was, literally, nonexistent—I was a virgin; I struggled; I said no. There have been times since when I have been walking home, alone, after a few drinks, wearing something that might have shown a bit of leg or cleavage, and I wasn’t raped. The difference was not in what I was doing. The difference was the presence of a rapist.”

Shakesville

It bears repeating.

I don’t understand the contortions of logic people go through to find reasons why a rape victim is at fault for some other person raping them.

You know what is logical? Blaming the person who decides to rape someone else.

Read the quote in context here.

Once again, the problem with blaming the victim (she must have known that sitting at home in sweatpants watching a movie was asking for it!!!!) isn’t that it absolves the assailant(s) it’s a declaration that men are weak, impulsive, hormonal, dictated to by their organs of reproduction, undisciplined, infantile, base, and governed by their animal nature and an overwhelming, instinctive drive to inseminate.

You know what it is? (You’re not going to like it.) It’s saying that rapists are indistinguishable from all other men. Which created an unholy uproar when Susan Brownmiller or Andrea Dworkin or Mary fucking Daly said it. But which passes not simply without comment but as conventional wisdom whenever someone says “well, she must have been asking for it” or “what did she expect?”

If you’re a man and you hear someone blaming a victim for rape why not take it as a personal slap in the face?

How about saying “no, she didn’t ask for fucking anything — a man who knew exactly what he was doing made the deliberate choice to rape someone he believed he could get the drop on under circumstances he calculated minimized the chance of being brought to justice.” I mean, seriously, every time someone blames the victim they’re letting the rapist slide on the low, low expectations their shitty attitude about men’s incapacity for responsibility creates.

To paraphrase The Elephant Man “men are not animals, they are human beings.” And like all human beings men deliberate, decide, and then act. When anyone gets raped it’s because someone deliberated raping them, decided to rape them, and then acted on their decision to rape them.

Remember: it’s not feminists who believe in blaming the victim. Consequently its not feminists who can be held accountable for society’s predators-from-the-sewers narratives about men.

For At Least 600 Years Non-Feminists Have Believed All Men Are Potential Rapists... And Evidently Still Do

Mon, 2010-01-18 01:38

Julie Bindel, writing in The Guardian has a number of interesting points about a research project she participated in by interviewing men who volunteered and/or otherwise agreed to discuss being customers of prostitutes.

The most interesting point in her article, by far?

One of the most interesting findings was that many believed men would “need” to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand. One told me, “Sometimes you might rape someone: you can go to a prostitute instead.” Another put it like this: “A desperate man who wants sex so bad, he needs sex to be relieved. He might rape.” I concluded from this that it’s not feminists such as Andrea Dworkin and myself who are responsible for the idea that all men are potential rapists – it’s sometimes men themselves.

She said it here.

One really, seriously cool thing about Bindel’s article? She links to an ungated copy of the research report(pdf)! That’s very cool.

One reason it’s cool is that if you read the report you can see stuff like, oh, say, who the co-authors and sponsors of the study were. And one of whom was the not always exactly correct activist Catharine A. MacKinnon. Which lets you know to pick up a grain of salt while reading.

Skepticism notwithstanding, while there’s a distinct possibility that the quotes were cherry-picked there’s no reason on earth to doubt they found men who actually said those things.

Not least because it’s close to conventional wisdom: lots, and lots, and lots of people believe men are such borderline-criminal, verging-on-rapist, impulse-control-of-a-three-year-old-child animals.

Oddly, as Bindel points out, a demoralizing number of men believe it.

Lest one leap to accuse contemporary feminists for spreading that belief I’ll just point out the idea substantially predates contemporary feminism, which only really cropped up in the late 1960s. Whereas the idea that prostitution prevents rape was already current in the 1360!

Anyway, Bindel’s quotes nicely illustrate that whatever minor problems feminism might have with men it’s usually nothing compared to the abiding misandry of non-feminists and anti-feminists.

(Clue: Of course most men are actually perfectly capable of controlling their urges. Hello! Masturbation?)

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