no strings sex

Scott Adams and Em and Lo Mashup on the Question of Curiosity, Attraction, Romance, and Booty Calls

Wed, 2010-03-03 09:10

If someone wanted to answer this week’s Em & Lo Wise Guy’s column question (“If a guy’s in a booty call relationship with a woman, is there a chance he’d ever want to actually date her, could it ever blossom into something more?”) they could do a lot worse than read cartoonist Scott Adams of Dilbert.com Blog this morning. It’s about the relationship between curiosity and attraction in general terms, but it opens with a highly-relevant bang.

Curiosity is one of the most underrated phenomena in the world. It’s ironic that people aren’t more curious about curiosity. It’s a powerful thing.

For example, if you ever wondered if someone is attracted to you, the answer lies in curiosity. If someone asks personal questions about your past, your plans, your likes and dislikes, that is an unambiguous sign of attraction. If someone tries to steer you into the bedroom without some conspicuous data gathering, that is a sign of simple horniness.

Read the quote in context here.

That sounds about right though doesn’t it? Adams goes on to connect the same principle to friendship, job interviews, sales calls, and product idea. It’s definitely worth a read.

Here’s my own take on the Wise Guy question (full disclosure – I’m in Em & Lo’s wise-guy rotation but not this week.) A genuinely curiosity-free booty-call relationship might never “blossom” into long-term romance. But before you consider that a problem consider also that most genuine friendships never evolve into romance either.

But here’s a tip: booty-call relationships can can blossom into lifelong friendships. If you allow yourselves to get to actually know each other. Even decades later I’m still very good friends with quite a few of my old flings, flames, and one-night-stands.

An Intmate Conversation: The Importance of Defining Our Terms

Fri, 2008-11-28 13:31


Photo “Tête à Tête” by Flickr user Pabo76. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Lynn Gazis-Sax of Noli Irritare Leones had a great post a little while ago, the third part of which (her post covers three unrelated topics) discusses the question of “casual sex.” One important point stands out (my emphasis in bold)

Final unrelated topic, “casual sex.” There was a thread at Hugo Schwyzer’s blog that digressed into a discussion of the meaning of this phrase. Here are my thoughts. Among the range of attitudes toward sexual morality in this country, you can find “it’s fine as long as it’s consensual and condoms are used as needed,” “it’s fine as long as you’re in love,” and “it’s fine as long as you’re married.” Oversimplifying a lot here, because there’s a lot more of a range in detail than that, but in this case, I want to discuss the “it’s fine as long as you’re in love” position.

...one of the problems with criticizing “casual sex” is that it’s easy to take that in fuzzy ways that don’t have much to do with really thinking about what responsible sexual behavior involves – “casual sex” is sex if you’re not really, really in love, or sex if you haven’t had the requisite number of dates first, or sex with a number of partners that’s, well, fuzzy, but certainly more partners than I’ve had. So, if you’re going to criticize “casual sex,” be sure to be clear about what sex you don’t consider casual; otherwise people will just fill in their own varied ideas, and pat themselves on the back for not having “casual sex” by their own standards.

She said it here (but you’ll have to scroll down a bit.)

First of all I really appreciate her point that definitions vary up to the point where, for some people… quite a few actually (certain major religious denominations, for instance) non-intentionally-reproductive sex in marriage may be frowned on as “casual sex.”

(Quick note: I haven’t mentioned this for a while but I come by “prudish libertine” honestly: while I’m a strong advocate of having sex if you’re ready to have sex, I also firmly believe that “now you’re married now” doesn’t automatically mean “now you’re ready to have sex.” What does mean ready for sex? Here’s the official Scarleteen checklist. It’s long. It’s fairly strict. It doesn’t include “well, now that you’re married you should.” I think it’s spot on. But I digress….)

What I really appreciate is Lynn’s point that “casual sex” is what my logic and rhetoric professor called an equivocal term that needs to be defined before we use it. Even in, well, casual conversation.

A similarly equivocal term would be “sex**.” Another would be intimacy.

Speaking of which, Lynn mentions what she sees as my position on intimacy and casual sex. It’s a good illustration of her point about defining terms.

Two of the bloggers I read often are non-worksafe figleaf and Steven Barnes. Both of them talk a lot about sex (figleaf with more explicitness than the much more work safe Steven Barnes). Both of them clearly see sex as a vital and positive part of life. Neither of them seems to have a sexual ethic tied particularly strongly to a particular religious tradition, and neither goes with the old rule that you should need to be married to have sex. And both are pro-choice, as well as, of course, pro-birth control.

But beyond that, the guidelines they set seem to be very different. figleaf, who likes to call himself a “prudish libertine” or a “libertine prude,” has lots of ideas about what ways of approaching sex are desirable, but none of them require any level or intimacy or relationship between the partners (assuming both enthusiastically consent). Steve has said that it’s wisest not to have sex with anyone from whom you wouldn’t take a 2am phone call a year later, and that it’s not good to have sex under any circumstances where you wouldn’t be around long enough to know if a pregnancy resulted. Now, the thing about this advice is, whether you think it’s the right place to draw the line or not, it’s a clear place to draw the line, and not an arbitrary one. I think this kind of advice is rationally defensible in secular terms (and the 2am phone call example rather appeals to me), but simply letting people read whatever they want into “casual sex,” not such a good idea.

I think this is another case where the definition of “intimate” is equivocal because it sounds like Steven Barnes and I aren’t that far apart. I tend not to talk much about intimacy not because I think it’s unimportant but because I (mistakenly?) assume it’s a given. (Much like I wouldn’t talk about the importance of atmospheric oxygen if I blogged mostly about exercise.) I should probably make it clear every now and then that while I may have a much more expansive definition of “intimacy” it’s very, very important to me. For instance I’m not comfortable inviting someone to dinner if I wouldn’t be willing to field a 2am phone call from them a year later.

And no, this doesn’t mean I’d only invite someone to dinner unless I’d also have sex with them. “Intimacy” may encompass “sexual interest” but not vice versa at all, at all.

[**See Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich. Also, a college-level sex-ed textbook I read had a table discussing what people considered “sex.” A small number of surveyed respondents thought even penis-in-vagina intercourse to ejaculation didn’t count. It was way below 1%, and there was no explanation, but that anyone at all thought that might not count illustrates that what’s meant by the word is extremely ambiguous. —fl]

Sauce for the Goose, sauce for the Gander, revisited

Tue, 2007-08-07 08:15

Long-time readers might be happy to know that Goose and Gander of their epinomous blog have been on a bit of a tear lately after maybe a year of relatively low-key updates. For more recent readers Goose and Gander had a perfectly lovely, conventional marriage based on each partner’s assumption that the other would be shocked by their sexually adventurous inclinations. And so each, sacrificing his or her preferences out of commitment their marriage and their partner, kept their own sexual lid screwed down tight. And came close to separating before one or the other (can’t remember who) got brave enough to confess — expecting rejection and instead discovering intense relief.

I think a lot of couples find themselves in that situation, fueled in part by wireframe-only drawing conceptions of marriage, or partnership, or parenthood, or adulthood that we mistake for the final results. And of those who “come out” to each other, an awful lot of them simply switch one set of conceptions for another, winding up perhaps physically less strained but not necessarily emotionally closer either.

Which is why I think Goose and Gander’s story is so compelling: recognizing one set of mistakes they resolved not to simply take on another complete set, choosing instead to take what steps they took slowly, methodically, with lots of mutual check-ins, and some serious mutual generosity and respect. (It ought to be obvious that stepping outside of conventional boundaries takes generosity and respect for each other, otherwise you might find yourself escaping your relationships without having to move out or shake up your children’s lives.)

Has their relationships been smooth sailing ever since? Has their every encounter with someone old, let alone someone new, been hassle free, risk free, jealousy free, or better-to-have-loved-and-lost-than? Sheeyeah right — and they grew wings, won on American Idol, and never pay more than $1.30 for gasoline too. Oh wait! They, like we and everybody else, are humans involved with other humans so of course they’ve had burnt pancakes as well as perfect soufflés.

But more than anyone else I know they’re doing it together, exploring a multitude of kinks including bondage play, spanking and other forms of S&M, and other partners together, separately, and in groups. You don’t have to do any of this with your partners, even if you were so inclined. But if you did you’d do far worse than to choose to follow their example.

Anyway, the above has been a long preamble to the following snippet from Goose of Goose and Gander that nicely articulates what real adults can do, together, not just to discover but to create a community based as much on friendship as on mutual sexual interest.

I have to say though, that for all the punching, scratching, caning and general tingling of naughty bits, the part I liked best about the weekend was how much trust and love and fun there was. Its serious fun, without taking itself too seriously. There is always a ton of laughter and affection and ALWAYS seriously good food. Our little gang is awesome. Awww…..

Gander and I talked for a long time last night about the act of physical affection in today’s culture. I mean, anyone can fuck and run, but how often do you get to cuddle, hold hands, stroke skin, touch hair, be in breath range with someone other than your child/pet/significant other.

Touch is radical, or it can be. I think that is what feels the most subversive to me and the most pleasing, about our group parties and hang outs: that I can touch and be touched by many and in many ways. It feels rather healing actually.

Plus, I like seeing people naked.

She says this and more here.

Finally, what I really appreciate about Goose’s, and Gander’s, posts is not only the acknowledgment of “strings attached” sex (as if there could be any other kind) but the real benefit stringiness brings to our relationships. The furtive, “no-strings” touch humans too often seek, too often behind their partner’s backs? Not so much. This isn’t to knock casual encounters for those who choose them, not at all, at all. Just a point that they’re not as fulfilling when you’re starving for fulfillment!

Which brings me back to Goose and Gander’s original plight. The standard model would have been for each to slip behind each other’s backs, perhaps through one of the extramarital personals sites that seemed to be in the newspapers earlier this month, and try to “get it while they can,” for as long as they could, until one or the other slipped, and then deal with all the repercussions — trading a smaller set of problems for perhaps several much larger ones. I think it’s pretty cool that they’ve chosen to work together instead of separately.

The Durable Significance of Ephemeral Relationships

Tue, 2007-05-01 13:32

Seems like a lot of people have been talking about relationships, relationship failures, the relevance of dating and hookups and one-night stands these days. (And this makes them different from other days exactly how? Um… except maybe a third-time’s-the-charm effect not much.)

Anyway, the third-time charm this morning came from Anastasia of Sexualité who has a thoughtful meditation based on the last time she slept (slept slept, not had-sex-with slept) with a man.

That last time I awoke in a car. I didn’t do anything frisky in the car, preferring to engage in the hot stuff outside, on the beach. We returned to the car after a marathon grope and make out session, to chill out and caught some kip. My idea of relaxation or sleep takes place horizontally, not sitting bolt upright in a car seat. I don’t really think about the last time on a daily basis; I don’t mark it off on a calendar. However, this last fortnight I’ve been thinking about it more.

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Shortly after that, I waltzed into the meaning of everything, and it brought one of the most popular books to mind, Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl.

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Getting back on the track, a recent conversation returned to mind:

‘I’m great at casual!’ the person who said this to me reminded me of myself some years ago, and to tell you the truth I didn’t know what to reply. The last couple of days have taken me on a different route that’s had me return to the sexual equation. As much as I appreciate sex, the idea of casual anything has petered out. I think about it, and don’t know what to make of it. Can I or can’t I? It’s a question that has no real answer. I think I’m capable of having a random encounter, but another part of me questions this.

When it comes to relationships, I think the problem lies not in finding relationships that have meaning but in declaring relationships that don’t endure as meaningless. I think it’s an artificial distinction.

I mean, when you think about it Anastasia and I have a relationship. We each read what the other has to say and respond to each other in comments. We not only think well of each other but we also wish each other well. To the extent any relationship has meaning then ours does — even though we live a very large ocean apart, even though we’ll almost certainly never meet, even though we’re even less likely to have sex, even though we’re even less likely to live our our years together. And the great thing is I think we’re pretty content with the relationship as it stands, which makes it a pretty ideal one.

Obviously the kind of relationship we have either unique or exclusive to each other or anyone else. And my point is that just because it’s not “that kind” of relationship doesn’t make it meaningless.

I bring this up because I had some genuinely catastrophic breakups in my early days — when I feel in love I’d fall hard, and fall hard again when things fell apart. A big turning point came after my fourth “great loss” breakup when one of the first thoughts was “not two more years,” which was the time it tended to take me to recover. And once again it did take two years before I was ready for another relationship. But when that too fell apart, and the first thought again (after briefly contemplating throwing myself under a car that was speeding down the street that moment) was “not two more years!” And while in a lot of ways that breakup was the worst, that insight about time “wasted” in and after my relationships gave me a whole new perspective on what I’d been looking for, meaningwise, and what I had supposed I was looking for.

The time I spent in those earlier relationships wasn’t wasted at all. Nor, really, were they failures. And though each certainly made it easier to manage the next their meaning wasn’t the preparation or practice they gave me. They were just mostly wonderful experiences with mostly wonderful people that were failures only in the sense that our expectations were that “relationships” lasting less than a lifetime lack validity and are therefore meaningless.

Now before you decide I’m just being woo-woo all-one-love-yah, or that I’m saying we should all enjoy random sex with strangers and call it “relationships” I have one more point: A declaration that all relationships have meaning, even very short ones, tends to make one less rather than more patient with those who care only for the availability of one’s tab A or slot B.

[Note: From the other side, neither can we have much patience for those who seek to possess “a long-term relationship” without much consideration for whom they might have it. I’m thinking here about a former co-worker who, returning for a visit after a year, with outstretched arm pushed a huge engagement ring under everyone’s noses without once letting us know exactly who had given it to her. But that’s another story. —fl]

String Theory a.k.a. Pretzel Logic

Sun, 2006-02-12 14:10

Ok. So everybody talks… frets, really… about the idea of sex with no strings attached.

So let’s define our terms.

Sex with no strings attached means… you both agree to have sex with no further obligation.

So… what happens when someone breaks that agreement by, say, falling in love with the other after all, expressing harbored feelings, trying to see them, being jealous of subsequent partners, proposing that the partner is not actually an erstwhile one but an ongoing one, or even outright proposing, period?

If there are no strings attached then that’s a totally, totally fine thing to do, right? If there are no strings then there’s no “string” saying one party can’t do any of that. If, on the other hand, the second partner can hold the first to his or her no-strings obligation then that itself is a string of no small significance.

Nor is that the only string implied in no-strings sex. (For instance Avatar of Overworked and under-f*cked presents a very sensible set of rules, a.k.a. strings, here.)

There are strings in every sort of relationship. There just happen to be different kinds of relationships, with their own equally important strings. Different strings, yes, but no less stringy for it.

So what’s the point? Well, I’d like to propose we drop the term. It’s an inflammatory term for those who prize relationships with long-term strings. It’s oxymoronic — no-strings relationships come with strings. It’s inapt — as with any relationship if both parties don’t agree to the same terms going in problems can arise.

None of this suggests “no-strings” sex is bad. It can be rather wonderful. Unless, of course, one or the other of you fails to honor all the strings attached to it.

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