objectification

Red No. 3 on Alt-Objectification in Particular and All Objectification in General

Sat, 2011-11-26 08:56

So over the years you might have noticed that some people stereotype the owl-poop out of whole classes of people. It's not always malign or dismissive. Sometimes stereotyping can arise from positive or shared experiences with individuals that... can get spatula'ed onto everyone who matches the "category" in question. Which might be fine if the category of persons all really were as a) ideal as claimed, and b) as interchangeable as claimed. Oh, and c) as willing to be homogenized in someone else's mind with all the thousands or millions of individuals the onlooker imagines they resemble.

When one does this -- when one opines that "oh, 'all Africans' are so beautiful and accepting" (based, say, on your Peace Corps experience in a single village in a country continent (almost) bigger and more populous than all of North and South America put together) or "Asians are my favorite students" or "ooh, librarians are hot," etc. -- one may have nothing but the best intentions but one is still engaging in objectification.

One can be no less objectifying even if the category one is drawn to is more often negatively stereotyped. In fact, one can be no less objectifying even when you yourself are a member of the negatively stereotypes category.

I mention this first because one of the most controversial forms of objectification revolves around sexual attraction. And second, because I stumbled across a pretty cool post by new-to-me male fat activist Brian of Red No. 3 who does a very cool job of distinguishing attraction from objectification.

So, I’ve noticed some of my fellow male fat admirers throwing tantrums when women object to be sexualized without consent. These dudes whine about how the women are telling them aren’t allowed to find fat bodies attractive.

Cut that shit out. Like now.

No one is out to confiscate your boners. Sexual attraction to fat bodies is totally awesome. There may be people out there who want to shame you for your sexuality, but its not these women. So, by all means, holster your outrage and listen up.

The issue these women are complaining about isn’t sexual attraction. They are asking to be treated with respect and dignity. Try not to be shocked at this stunning request. You still get that be sexually attracted to fat women. Just, maybe respect them.

And actually, strike that maybe.

Source: Red No. 3

It's definitely worth reading the whole thing. It's ok to be attracted. It's just not ok to forget the who who always and necessarily goes with your what.

Actually, if I can briefly bring in another contentious term, we're all entitled to our preferences. In fact try not being! We are not, however, and never can be entitled to the favors or affections all or even any individuals who happen to embody our preferences.

The rest of Brian's post is similarly sharp and it would be great if you just went and read the whole post. One thing I really appreciate is the way he invokes both altruism and self-interest.

This is especially important for fat women who already live in a culture that conspires to desexualize them. They often find themselves in scenarios where they are told to choose between never being desired sexually or always being objectified sexually. That’s fucked up and wrong. You should be able to know that by just basic empathy, but I’d submit that as fat admirers its in our interest to combat thin privilege and male privilege. Not just because standing with our current or prospective romantic and sexual partners on issues of basic human dignity is the right thing to do (though that really should be enough), but its in our self-interest, too. Those restricted options women face impact us, too. We are being taught that our sexuality is wrong and that if we act upon it that we are deviants. We are told we don’t deserve to open, loving relationships with partners we are sexually attracted to. We are told we shouldn’t date them because they are “unhealthy”. We are told there must be some defect that causes our sexuality. We are being denied the opportunity to embrace our sexuality in the ways men with conventional attractions take for granted. The women who complain about objectification of fat women aren’t trying to take away our sexuality, they are trying to fight for it! We should stand with them and resist those who tell us to sexualize and objectify fat women because they don’t deserve better and we don’t deserve better.

This is just brilliant. When we judge and objectify we subject ourselves to equal objectification and judgment and consequently we reduce ourselves in the eyes of others.

 

And this is a universal point. Brian ends his post by opening his point

Oh, and if you’re a dude who isn’t a fat admirer, feel free to take the word “fat” out above and it apply the same to you because we all know you dudes do this shit, too.

I'd just add, finally, that the likelihood that it's men who get called for objectification is more an artifact of prior dating conventions than something (stereotypically!) innate to men: as more women take the initiative in dating, as more and more women continue to ask rather than wait to be asked, it'll be easier to notice how objectification tends to be more of a human characteristic than a gendered one.

Speaking of Musical Lyrics, A Question for Em & Lo Makes Me Wonder if "Why Can't a Woman Be More Like A Man?" Isn't Already True

Tue, 2011-02-22 18:33

"Unwilling Goddess" wrote Em & Lo asking for advice on the following problem.

Dear Em & Lo,

How does one gracefully say “Thanks, but no thanks”? It seems to happen a lot to me: I treat the guy like a friend — meaning I don’t make innuendo (no puns please!) nor banter, etc., I just converse fercrissake! — and a few weeks (or months, or hours) later he’s dropping heavy hints and gazing at me with That Look. I then try to avoid any situations that may lead him on; i.e. refusing a drink together, though I wouldn’t mind having a friendly one. Also, I don’t want to lose friends who suddenly want to move it a notch further than I really want. Any ways to let them down gently?

– Unwilling Goddess

Source:

I don't really have a lot of advice for dealing with this. But I can look at the question from a couple of different perspectives.

It sounds as if the correspondent would find it more convenient if men didn’t grow more romantically attracted to women as they get to know them better, spend more time around them, and just generally appreciate all their qualities, and not just be turned on by the superficialities of their faces, hair, or booties. In actuality, though, a lot of men have exactly those romantic qualities that are more often attributed to stereotypes of women.

And looking at the question from yet another angle, surely the correspondent isn’t suggesting that women base their attractions to partners on initial hormonal response and thus never become more attracted to them as they got to know them better. If so then that would suggest that women have qualities that are more often attributed to stereotypes of men.

My intuition has always been that the following lyrics could be sung as easily by women as by the men (Rogers and Hammerstien*) who wrote them for the Anna character in The King and I:

Getting to know you,
Getting to feel free and easy
When I am with you,
Getting to know what to say

Haven’t you noticed
Suddenly I’m bright and breezy?
Because of all the beautiful and new
Things I’m learning about you
Day by day.

Actually my intuition says that’s still true. Chime in if I’m wrong, though.

* Not actually being a huge fan of musicals I wasn't aware until I Googled it that the song was from The King and I or that it was sung by women and not as a duet between a man and woman. (I'd guessed it was instead from West Side Story.)

Adult Sexualization of Justin Bieber is Absolutely Not OK. He Isn't "Just a Boy," He's Also Still Just a Kid!

Wed, 2011-01-05 12:38

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Lilith of Evil Slutopia fingers the bullshit double standard that's significantly not on display regarding Vanity Fair's overwhelmingly sexualizing cover and photo spread on 16-year-old Justin Bieber. (The photos, which I'm obviously too polite to repost here, show Bieber covered with lipstick, with 10 different women's disembodied hands pawing him, shown in vaseline-softened-lens focus with his shirt unbuttoned, etc.)

If Miley Cyrus had, at age 16, posed for similar photographs there would have been a huge scandal, everyone from the ladies of the View to Bill O'Reilly would be talking about it, Vanity Fair would be accused of oversexualizing teenagers, Miley would be called a slut, and she would be forced to issue an apology about how sorry and embarrassed she was. (There might even be an action alert from the One Million Moms.)

Source: Evil Slutopia

I think that's about right. By 16 many children, both boys and girls, are perfectly capable of sexual feelings, and are already often in the midst of sexual exploration. With each other! And to a point in development terms it's perfectly natural, normal, and healthy. Again, with each other!

What's going on here, with the considerable adult sexualization of Bieber, is neither normal, natural, or healthy!

Since haven't historically placed a property-value premium on boy's virginity we tend not to see anything wrong with precocious sexualization or adult predation. Especially when the sexualization is heterosexual. But adult sexual intervention in child sexual development still fucks them up.

Bieber, like Cyrus, like all children, is not an adult plaything. Sexualizing him is not ok for him. It might seem funny to adults but it's not a joke. It's not that he's a boy, it's not that Cyrus was a girl. It's that in cognitive and social (if not physical) terms they're still children!

One of the things that basically characterizes an adult is that two or four years isn't all that long. But for children the period from roughly 14 to 18 is really, really critical. In two years Bieber will almost certainly have completed his psychological and social maturation and will thus be prepared for all the real adult sex and sexuality he wants. If he doesn't get it then like waaaaaay too many others before him he's likely to retain a very juvenile and also likely dysfunctional approach to sex. For the remaining 60-80 odd years he's an adult. Why short-circuit all that for a few titillating shits and giggles now?

Sweet mother of pearl!

Update: In comments an anonymous poster pointed out Amelia McDonell-Parry's shameful deplorable sexualization of then-minors Nick Jonas and Taylor Lautner in a Frisky post called "21 Guys We’re Ashamed To Say We’d Totally Screw."

If Anonymous is seriously concerned about the issue of sexual predation on adolescent boys as well as girls, and not (as I sort of get the impression) just pointing out equivalences in order to excuse doing nothing about male predation on girls, he might want to take a look at Lil Wayne and the Problem of Confusing Sexual Assault Victims With Male Sexual Role Models as well. In that case Wayne's male mentor ordered him to accept a blowjob he'd ordered a teenage girl to perform.  Which, when you think about it... as Wayne himself has... is doubly screwed up.

More on Rhetoric and the Creation of Social Expectations: Prostitutes Are Not The Jobs they Do

Sun, 2010-11-14 10:07

Sex-worker activist Amanda Brooks of After Hours says

Though I repeat (ad nauseam) that you pay for my time/energy, I have now figured out how to prove it! I don’t sell my body — it’s still with me when I leave. Though I have occasionally left possessions behind, I’ve yet to leave behind any bit or piece of me.

Source: After Hours

It is absolutely true that some customers think of prostitution as buying a person instead of contracting for her time. And it’s absolutely true that patriarchy’s virginity fetish creates the impression that by “taking” someone’s virginity you’ve actually taken possession of the individual herself. And it’s also absolutely true that anti-prostitution activiest of all stripes from evangelical to radfem insist with almost Catholic faith that sex transubstantiates activity into flesh.

In this construction the abstinence-only clowns with their metaphors of socks, gum, roses, and sticky tape are actually closer to the mark: they see sex merely as a depreciation of property, not an outright transfer of it.

I think it’s really important to get that. Because, even more so than patriarchal rhetoric so much of anti-prostitution rhetoric invites dehumanization. It encourages it. It creates an expectation of it.

If you’ve followed my blog for very long you know my call to action on sex-worker’s rights was a horrified realization that serial killers in my region, city, and possibly even my neighborhood were able to get away with murdering between one and two hundred sex workers (you read that right) not just because they’re easy marks (they are) and not just because society thinks they’re less than human (it does) but because they themselves buy the line that sex workers are less than human.

For this reason if no other reason I think it’s really, really, really important that even well-meaning opponents of sex work stop creating the social expectation that they’re literal, transubstantiated, diminished, dehumanized quantities of meat. They’re not. They’re people, not things.

And to return to Amanda Brook’s point, they’re people, not their jobs.

Hugo Schwyzer on the "Paris Paradox," How Sexualization Replaces Opportunity With Obligation

Fri, 2010-11-12 15:30


Video link via Rachel Hills

Speaking of adults creating a culture of sexual pressure for young people before they’re ready, here’s Hugo Schwyzer on increasing sexualization of girls. (Emphasis mine.)

Ariel Levy, in her powerful and controversial Female Chauvinist Pigs, quoted Paris Hilton’s remarkably perceptive remark about herself that she was “sexy, but not sexual.” Hilton isn’t alone. My students today, who are mostly in their late teens (though I have many older ones as well) were deeply influenced by Hilton, who was at the peak of her notoriety four or five years ago, when these now-college freshman were just entering high school. And sadly, not unlike many of their older sisters, they find themselves stuck in what we might call the “Paris Paradox”.

Young women with the Paris Paradox were raised in a culture that promised sexual freedom, but what they ended up with looked a lot more like obligation than opportunity. It’s not hard to understand why the pressure to be sexy so often trumps the freedom to discover one’s authentic sexuality. As Levy and Martin and others have been pointing out for the past decade, we’ve begun to sexualize girls at ever earlier ages, as anyone who noticed the Halloween costumes marketed to tween girls will be aware. The explicitness — the raunchiness, to use Levy’s word — of this sexualization is relatively new. But when that sexualization (or pornification, to use another popular term) meets the far-older pressure on young women to be people-pleasers, we have a recipe for misery.

Source: Hugo Schwyzer

See also Rachel Hills who points out that a term even more accurate than sexualization is objectification. That sounds pretty good. Girls obviously aren’t the only children subjected to sexualizing pressure. But they’re certainly subjected to it. And, pace Rachel Hills, girls are definitely pressured by objectification by adults in way that boys definitely aren’t.

The key point, and the reason I’m quoting Schwyzer rather than Hills, is that I really appreciate his broader point that what’s nominally being presented to girls, especially, as new opportunities for sexual agency, expression, and self-determination is actually being presented as more of the same old obligation to perform. The expectation used to be to perform modesty, now the pressure’s on to perform “sluttiness.” In no case, however, is there latitude for girls to figure it out, on their own, for themselves.

But Ranking Men By Looks and Women By Income Would be Both Inconceivable and Intolerable!

Thu, 2010-10-28 08:43

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Amanda Hess The Daily Beast says

The Daily Beast has produced a slideshow on “Baseball’s Sexiest Teammates,” ranking baseball platers’ “wives and girlfriends” on their physical attractiveness and other conspicuously gendered categories (“Number of Scheduled Breast Implants: 1; Number of Breast Implants Carried Out: 0”). But the Beast knocks this one out of the park with the apparently unironic juxtoposition of the slideshow with this “Baseball’s 10 Richest Players” feature. Men succeed by hording resources like currency and attractive women! Women succeed by being horded by successful men!

Source: Amanda Hess

She suggests that for balance the Daily Beast should produce a slideshow of her male colleagues hair plugs and beer bellies and rankings of her female colleagues salaries and partner’s looks. Naahh. Ranking women by income and men by their attractiveness would be both inconceivable and intolerable!

Digging Into the Difference Between Wanting Somebody and Wanting Anybody

Mon, 2010-08-16 15:52

Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon says

As you no doubt know, I love Kate Harding and usually nod firmly at her blog posts. But I have to disagree with this one she wrote about a woman named Neenah Pickett, who gave herself a year to find a husband and kept a blog called 52 Weeks 2 Find Him Blog. I firmly agree with Kate that narratives that tell women they must be passive (or passive aggressive) to “catch” a man are sexist and not as effective as advertised, and that the portrayal of men as being composed of nothing but tender ego and skittishness—-where any kind of expectation-setting from a woman is sure to scare them off—-is also ridiculous. But I can’t help but disagree with her about whether or not it’s a good idea to make it a goal to find your spouse and give yourself a time limit to do so, and it’s really not a good idea to advertise it.

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And the reason is quite simple: No one enjoys being objectified. Call us hopeless romantics, but most of us want to fall in love, and to have someone else adore us for our unique selves.

Read the quote in context here.

“the reason is quite simple: No one enjoys being objectified.”

This.

Nobody wants to be “a piece of ass” and nobody wants to be “a husband” because those are things, not people, to the individual seeking them.

In a reply in comments Amanda adds

Exuding the “I just need a wife, please fill that role and quickly” is perversely going to get that goal further and further out of reach, as the good ones rightfully want to be treated like utterly charming, unique individuals.

A year or two out of college my long-time partner came out and left me for another woman. She explained her decision to her friends with very generous words about my suitability as a partner in all regards but my biology. This combination of factors, it turned out, briefly made me the most eligible bachelor on the planet as far as a surprising number of impatiently single women in the neighborhood were concerned.

It wasn’t even as much fun as it sounds.

Meanwhile potential partners who weren’t impatiently single generally gave me a lot of space to get over what was a seriously traumatic separation for me.

That said, I think she’s a bit off the mark to label the behavior “desperate.” It’s something more like “instrumental.” Here’s what I mean.

Funny but true story: decades ago I was at a Halloween party. We were hanging out with a mixed group of friends and towards the end of the evening one of the men, who was dressed up like an old prospector, stands up, gathered up his various props, including a shovel and with absolutely no trace of self-awareness said “it’s getting late. I’m going to see if I can’t dig up a girl.”

That wasn’t about desperation, but it wasn’t exactly about forming a peer relationship either. Since his intention was just to get laid he didn’t particularly care who he got laid with. Which I’m sure made everyone he approached feel really unique and special… and previously engaged.

Which is pretty much exactly how I felt when I was being trolled for my long-term relationship potential. It wasn’t that they were desperate, it’s that they were driven by their purpose rather than by any person.

So yeah, it felt like a job interview. But worse, it felt like an interview for a job I wasn’t applying for.

It’s great if you say “enough dallying, I’m going to go out and meet people, reassess assumptions, criteria, and habits that make me unavailable or undesirable, and see what happens.” Saying “52 weeks from now I’m going to be married,” or for that matter “I’m going to go dig up a girl tonight” is something else altogether.

That’s what I thought Amanda meant.

On Alienation, Creepiness of Men/Females, Women/Males Language Choices

Fri, 2010-07-02 07:27

While we’re on the subject of sex-related vocabulary, Holly of The Pervocracy reminds me of a tic that annoys me to no end.

I hate it when people call women “females.” I have one friend who does it because she was in the military and it was standard practice there, and occasionally I’ll say it when I specifically mean biological females rather than women, but 98% of the time it’s douchebaggery. Rule of thumb: if you say “females and males” it’s okay, but if you say “females and guys/men,” you’re probably a douchebag.

She said it here.

It really isn’t exclusive to misogynists: for instance the otherwise perfectly accessible bell hooks has the same completely annoying tic going the other way, and as Holly says they do the same thing to both genders in the military and, to a lesser extent, in police organizations.*

In the military or police it makes a little sense to put that layer of abstraction — it’s way easier to see or say (or, yikes, do!) when you can say something like “minor female down” rather than “a little girl is badly injured.” But whereas that sort of psychological separation might make it easier for soldiers, police, firefighters, or EMTs remain dispassionate in emotionally-charged situations, that kind of distancing is problematic in the extreme when you humanize one sex but “animalize” or objectify another.

At the very least it sounds alienated. At worst it sounds ominously creepy.

* While walking through a shopping mall I once overheard a mall cop pretentiously instructing a janitor that there had been some sort of disturbance “in the females’ restroom.”

Gendered Objectification Based on Gendered Childhood Games?

Fri, 2009-08-21 18:01

Holly of The Pervocracy tackles “relationship advice” from a recent issue of Glamour magazine

“How to tell him to get better clothes: ...You lie next to your peacefully sleeping boyfriend. After making sure he’s down for the count, you sneak over to his dresser, shove a couple of particularly awful items in a bag and hurry out the door.”

NO. Do not do this. Do not fucking destroy someone else’s property because it offends your aesthetics. It’s not cute, it’s not mischievous, it’s not funny, and it’s not something you fucking do. Maybe he hates some of the things you own, you know that? Would you like your stuff to just disappear with a tee-hee and a “now we can get you things I like”? I don’t fucking think so.

She said it here.

She brings up more of the same this time from Cosmopolitan

“Why you should check his E-mail: Never read his e-mail, but a glance at his in-box can give you some insight into the kind of person he is.”

No. No no no no no. The inbox is up there with the medicine cabinet and the diary on the list of places you are just not invited. You creep. And “oh, of course reading is wrong but it’s okay to just skim” ...really? Come on.

Source

To be extravagantly gender-aware for once boyfriends are no more dolls to be dressed and scripted than girlfriends are scores or trophies of games.

The other day in comments Sungold asked, roughly, whether I thought women are brought up first to sacrifice themselves for their men or for their children. And while I can’t answer that well I can say that the way we have always raised girls might make it as difficult for them to relate to their male partners as the way we raise boys to relate to theirs.

We are in fact all human beings, men, women, and children. Not pieces, not property, not “ours” or “his” or “hers” or “theirs.” And so to want “a baby” or to want “a girlfriend” or to want “a husband” and especially to sacrifice to get those things is to lose track of what an honor it is to be with another person, to get to be with their being while they’re with us whether it’s by choice or chance or necessity. It’s also to miss the extraordinary pleasure of being with someone instead of something.

Cosmo and Glamour for women, like Details and Esquire for men, aren’t entirly to blame for this by the way. They only encourage patterns we begin in childhood but for whatever reason (including continuing encouragement from magazines and their sponsors) hang on to when we’re grown.

Holly on Naomi Wolf on Sexualization in Porn, and In Wolf!

Sun, 2009-06-07 15:52

Holly of The Pervocracy, in a generally positive, nuanced review, gets to the core of the problem with one section of Naomi Wolf’s long-controversial article The Porn Myth

And then the weird part.

I will never forget a visit I made to Ilana, an old friend who had become an Orthodox Jew in Jerusalem. When I saw her again, she had abandoned her jeans and T-shirts for long skirts and a head scarf. I could not get over it. Ilana has waist-length, wild and curly golden-blonde hair. “Can’t I even see your hair?” I asked, trying to find my old friend in there. “No,” she demurred quietly. “Only my husband,” she said with a calm sexual confidence, “ever gets to see my hair.” ...And I thought: Our husbands see naked women all day—in Times Square if not on the Net. Her husband never even sees another woman’s hair.

She must feel, I thought, so hot.

Or so constrained. I have — or mostly had — Orthodox friends too, and the way they hide women away isn’t sexy. I went to a Hasidic friend’s Bar Mitzvah once and all the women in the congregation had to sit behind a screen, looking politely at a goddamn white sheet as the sounds of the service sort of drifted through. Being sexier in private (if that’s even true) isn’t worth that shit. It’s humiliating. And when I’m asked to cover my hair, I don’t think it’s because my sexuality is special, it’s because my sexuality needs hiding. My very identity — which is being treated as synonymous with my sexuality — needs hiding.

FUCK THAT.

Read her quote of quote in context here.

A couple of critical points in there. First, it’s a mistake to imagine (as its too easy to do if your primary experiences are via media) that only one major religious tradition obliges women to cover themselves. Yes, there’s probably more controversy over Muslim women wearing scarves or veils but as Holly says, its an obligation in ultra-orthodox Judaism as well. And while we’re most familiar with wimples and veils on Catholic nuns and brides, Christian women of all stations in life were once expected to similarly veil themselves… and even in my paternal grandparent’s solidly American Plymouth Brethren denomination women wore (and may still wear) what I always though of as lace doilies to at least symbolically cover their hair.

The second point, though, is that upon reflection while Wolf spends most of her essay decrying the unreal expectations imposed on women by highly-sexualized imagery of women in pornography, Wolf’s glamorization of acres of swaddling veils and dresses is no less sexualizing.

Final point, of course, is that Holly has a bedrock deep understanding of the difference between sexuality and sexualization. And that she has no patience for the latter in any of its manifestations. Which she makes clear in the rest of her post, in which she largely agrees with Wolf about sexualization (vs. oh, say, largely missing sexuality) in porn.

Cool post.

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