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Svutlana's Hilarious But Practical Counterproposal for "Female Ejaculation" Fetishists: a Fetish for Male Anejaculation

Mon, 2011-10-03 09:46

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Svutlana, in her signature fractured English, turns the tables on a correspondent who's partner "has said she has squirted before, so I know she can"

Oh, thank you too much for squirt question that give Svutlana one more opportunity for address sexual tyrannies that decree ideal female orgasm come with espresso cup of clear fluids and originate with mysterious g-spots.

Imagine for one moments, Mr Squirt, phenomenon of male anejaculations in which minority of mens have orgasm but no ejaculations. By way, orgasm with no ejaculates be true phenomenon and no something Svutlana pull out of ass, but unfortunate male orgasm in absence of ejaculations no be fetishize so that mens can experience taste of tyrannies that many womens experience with squirts.

Source: Svutlana

Nice one! I'd add it would turn the tables in more than one way. The gentleman asking the question reveals what I think is a big source of the appeal of "squirting" when he tells Svutlana "To me, it's a huge turn on and the ultimate way of knowing I've pleasured her."

In other words if he can get her to "squirt" he'll know she's not faking it. This even though the vast, vast, vast majority of "female ejaculators" in porn are just peeing.*

Now imagine the consternation if male actors began faking anejaculation during unbukkake porn? "I know his moans sound real but how do I know he's not faking it?"

As someone who occasionally actually, really doesn't ejaculate** I would of course applaud the fetishization of anejaculation...

...but...

...since most men actually do ejaculate with their orgasms, just like most women don't "ejaculate" I'm pretty sure it would just be as stressful for men who reflexively do as the whole "squirting" thing is for women who don't.

Note: My experience of women who "squirt" when they come is that you mostly have to change not just the sheets but beds before going to sleep. I'm not at all adverse to messy sex (mmm, messy sex) but one rarely hears of hopping out of bed to flip the mattress in lists of favorite after-play activities.

* Incidentally, contrary to popular assumption since roughly the Elizabethan period there's been nothing unethical, immoral, or misleading about actors, you know, enacting in professional contexts. So there's nothing wrong with porn actors enacting moans, groans, or exudations at work.

** My "dry orgasms," when I have them, are perfectly lovely. This has occasionally disappointed my partners, so I'm not without sympathy for men who wish their partners "squirted."  But... when it comes to verifying that one's partner has had an orgasm there's this crazy thing called "trust" that works almost as well as fluid evidence.  The good news, at least for me, is when I have an orgasm but don't also ejaculate I can be "up" for another very quickly.

Kate McComb on Letting Our Fingers Do the Walking... and Other Ways to Say It

Wed, 2011-08-24 22:50

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Kate McCombs says

Sometimes “hand jobs” get a bad rap. “Intercourse’s [or a blow job’s] poor cousin,” some people say. And as it applies to women, “fingering,” while an accurate descriptor for some vulva/vagina stimulation activities, evokes a rapid in-out motion of finger-in-vagina, which is insufficient for most women to to experience orgasm. The phrase often invoked to bring some legitimacy to the act, “mutual masturbation,” brings to mind more routine self-pleasure rather than the exchange of delicious, playful climaxes. Despite the negative press, the manual pleasuring of your partner’s sexy bits can be a delightful addition to your sexual repertoire. Variety is, after all, the spice of (sex) life.

Source: Debby Herbenick's My Sex Professor

I'm really not sure why we're so quick to pooh-pooh manual pleasuring, although as McCombs laments, compared to almost every other kind of sex act there are very few euphemisms for it and few of those make it sound either interesting, desirable, or very pleasurable.

Which is a shame because while like pretty much everything else about sex it takes time and practice but, once taken, the results can be elegant, intimate, erotic, and eye-rollingly enjoyable.

I mean, seriously, to the extent we're able to use our hands* is there any limit to the situations our hands can't be central to?  We already use our hands for timid first-time explorations, for gleefully surreptitious mischief, for foreplay, for massage, and for even the most operatic moments of domination and submission.  And as I pointed out years ago in Giving everybody a warm round of (self) applause "let's get over even the faintest fantasy that women's orgasms from hands-free intercourse are 'normal' or 'real' orgasms.  Nor should we forget about using our hands on ourselves to show our partners what we enjoy.  And while we're at it let's remember that very often our partners are able to take their own pleasure seeing, or at least knowing, when we touch ourselves.

And finally, while McComb is careful to point out that there are some illnesses that can be transmitted hand to hand, she also reminds us that while hands are a great way to transmit pleasure to each other, they really are a remarkably safe way to minimize transmitting other things.

Anyway, point is, rather than look at... darn it all I really want more vocabulary for this... rather than look at "manual stimulation" as high-school substitutes for "real thing" activities we should recognize and embrace what we can do with them, in bed and... elsewhere.

* It would be ableist to assume that everybody has uses of their hands.

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What if it Wasn't "She Comes First,' or "He Comes First," But Who Comes First?

Tue, 2011-07-26 07:51

In comments to Noah Brand's marvelous NSWATM post questioning all assumptions about the transactional model of heterosexual sex, Kaija pointed out that rather than some kind of hypothetical genetic pickiness about who might fertilize her eggs women report two much more prosaic reasons why they tend to avoid "casual sex." The first is concern for personal safety, the other is...

"[T]he assumption of a lower probability of sexual pleasure from casual sex. I suspect that casual sex is much more appealing if you’re pretty sure it’s going to get you off (if you’re horny and looking to hook up in the short term and not looking for Twoo Lurve Everlasting). If there’s a high probability that the hookup is going to result in a woman getting all hot and bothered and then…end of encounter, the female equivalent of “blue balls” (all that blood pressure in the female tissues can be uncomfortable too as well as the psychoological effect of getting 70% of the way up the arousal hill and then stalling), getting yourself off or asking for some assist in getting off…then it just might be too much cost for not much benefit."

She said it here

Ooh, I wonder if this has anything to do with the "women just want to cuddle" and "women need more cuddling after sex" theories. Because I remember reading that over and over in sex manuals from the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, but when I began having sex it seemed so intermittently true that I wondered where the idea came from.

One could be that I'd over-interpreted the message and all they really meant was "women don't want to leap out of bed two seconds after orgasm." Which I've never particularly wanted to do either.

Another could be that sex manuals written in the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s were necessarily written by men (it was almost always men back then) who were born roughly between 1910s (Albert Ellis, William Masters), 1920s (Alex Comfort) and maybe 1935 (David Reubin). If so then they would have grown up in an society that was barely getting over its century-long medical anxiety about male "semen depletion" as the cause of everything from weak eyesight to tuberculosis. In which case, again, the difference they saw really was a lot about still very real male guilt, anxiety, and aversion after sex. And so the admonition for aftercare of one's partner was more about not jumping up or rolling over immediately after sex and pretending it never happened.

Or... maybe as Kaija said it's that anybody who's gotten wound up but doesn't get that orgasm is going to want to continue contact after her or his partner is satisfied... and stops.

The reason I'm inclined to believe it's the last item is that women who've had an orgasm (or enough of them) are often able to shift gears pretty quickly. On the other hand, even as a teenager I often had difficulty having orgasms (it was easy during intercourse but when I was fertile and psychotically distrustful of condoms intercourse was off the table.) And several of my partners have been the woman version of "premature ejaculators" where they've been able to get to orgasm very quickly -- well before intercourse and sometimes before our clothes were off. And as I mentioned just now, once they're done women seem as ready to switch gears as anyone else. Anyway, the result has often been that when a partner has had an orgasm and I haven't then I've been the one who wants to stay "intimate and comforting" after sex.

I like that last explanation quite a lot. First because it fits my experience, and second because it matches a lot of anecdotal and statistical data.

And since "the end of sex" is almost always defined as "male ejaculation, however long that takes" researchers collecting data are likely to overlook or discard cases where he never ejaculates at all.

Meanwhile, since, especially when the old guys were writing their sex manuals the idea that women had orgasms was still somewhere between inconceivable and intolerable, there wasn't a whole lot of effort... or even conscious thought... put into making sure women had their turn after their partners were done.

Anyway, the upshot might be (might be, I'm proposing a hypothesis, not a conclusion) that the idea that women need more cuddling after sex than men might be because at the time women rarely had completion orgasms when or before their partners did. But that in reality anybody left hanging by their partner is going to at least appear more affectionate, smoochy, and "needing intimacy" even if the don't mind that they're not going to come.

Your thoughts?

Should You Seek Sex-Addiction Intervention if You Have Seven Orgasms a Week? (Hint: No.)

Fri, 2011-03-04 17:01

According to Annie Scudder, one of the items in a current Time magazine roundup of "things you didn't know about sex addiction" would be...

An orgasm a day is considered troublesome: The article explains, "seven orgasms a week (either alone or with someone) is still considered by many experts to be a threshold for possible disorder."

Source: Très Sugar

While this is a very big improvement on the Victorian belief that men could develop terminal and/or mental illness with "as many as" ten ejaculations a year, it's still a pretty ridiculous threshhold. 

I'm not saying, at all, that all people should have libidios.  Roughly 1% of adult men and women are straight-up asexual so no doubt 1% of sex "rehab" counselors are asexual as well.  (Same with Time Magazine reporters, editors, and fact checkers, who seemed a little more skeptical of the claim.)  Substantial numbers of other men and women have modest libidos, and numerous others either neglect or avoid erotic interest, and the libidos of others may be episodic or circumstantial where said circumstances are not common.  So, again, I don't expect all of them to have average to above average libidos.

But do none of them?

Actually, if I may be fair for just a moment, the very fact that people's libidos vary enormously both from each other and even within individuals over time suggests that "seven orgasms a week" might be a sign of "addiction" in an individual who's natural libido cycle would ordinarily be substantially lower.  In other words as with other silly-sounding but perfectly legitimate psychiatric disorders, a guideline of once per day can be an indication, but not an automatic diagnosis. If someone's libido interferes with their normal daily functions either directly or through obsession or anxiety about it then treatment might be beneficial.  Or, as the American Psychiatric Association's proposal puts it you might have a disorder if "you have an illness if you spend so much time pursuing intercourse or masturbation as to interfere with your job or other important activities."

But so much for being fair.  First because once a day doesn't seem like a very reasonable threshold. Second because I'm as suspicious of those who profit from "curing" sex addiction as I would be of, say, vibrator vendors who claimed one should have at least one orgasm a day.

Bottom line: the proposed APA definition based on effectiveness encroachment is waaaay more reasonable than a blunt count.

(via Em & Lo)

Wise Guys Reply: Do Guys Like Looking Into Their Partner's Eyes While They're Having Sex?

Wed, 2011-02-02 20:07

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I've got a new wise guys answer this week over at Em & Lo

Q: Advice from three of our guy friends. This week they answer the following: “Do guys like looking into their partner’s eyes while they’re having sex, and while they’re climaxing? Why or why not? And if a woman is with a man who never looks her in the eye during sex, what does that mean?”

A: Straight Married Guy (Figleaf): I wouldn’t automatically read too much into a man who never looks at his partner during sex. For starters a lot of people think it’s rude and/or a sign of disinterest just to kiss with your eyes open. Then there’s the business where it’s kind of hard to keep your eyes open during an orgasm anyway. And I guess for some people, men and women, the emotional intensity of eye contact during foreplay or climax might be too much to handle.

And finally, at least for men who are trying not to climax before they or their partners are ready for it, there might be a fear that eye contact could put him over the edge. Heck, like too many others, he could just be shy about letting you see his “o-face.” That said, someone who keeps their eyes closed or averted is missing a treat — sex as a shared experience is… well… sex! And eye contact is a great way to share it.

As for the last question, if a partner really never makes eye contact during sex, you might want to gently ask him or her about it. Some time when you’re not having sex, of course. Just to make sure everything’s okay.

Source: Em & Lo's Wise Guys Feature

Head over to their place and check out the other wise guys' answers too.

On Faking Orgasms -- It's Not Just For Women Anymore (If It Ever Was)

Mon, 2010-12-13 22:40

Rashida Hull of Utica College's independent student publication, Tangerine, says

According to a journal of sex research, it seems that women aren't the only ones who fake orgasms during sex. Studies are now showing that men, too, fake it.

The study revealed "more than 200 college students, 25 percent of men, and half of the women reported that they'd acted out an orgasm during sexual activity." Most male students admitted to faking orgasms because they said the sex was terrible and wanted it to end.

...

Other reasons men fake it are to avoid awkward moments with their partner or so they don't hurt their partner's feelings. Male students may also feel pressured to have an orgasm after their partner had their orgasm.

Source: Tangerine

Hull doesn't cite the source, nor can I find a reference, but it appears she's talking about a study in the November Journal of Sex Research by Charlene L. Muehlenharda and Sheena K. Shippee out of theUniversity of Kansas psychology department.

Here's the abstract

Research shows that many women pretend or “fake” orgasm, but little is known about whether men pretend orgasm. The purpose of this study was to investigate (a) whether, how, and why men pretend orgasm and (b) what men's and women's reports of pretending orgasm reveal about their sexual scripts and the functions of orgasms within these scripts. Participants were 180 male and 101 female college students; 85% of the men and 68% of the women had experienced penile-vaginal intercourse (PVI). Participants completed a qualitative questionnaire anonymously. Both men (25%) and women (50%) reported pretending orgasm (28% and 67%, respectively, for PVI-experienced participants). Most pretended during PVI, but some pretended during oral sex, manual stimulation, and phone sex. Frequently reported reasons were that orgasm was unlikely, they wanted sex to end, and they wanted to avoid negative consequences (e.g., hurting their partner's feelings) and to obtain positive consequences (e.g., pleasing their partner). Results suggest a sexual script in which women should orgasm before men, and men are responsible for women's orgasms.

Source: Journal of Psychology

Interestingly, Hull quotes popular sexpert Ian Kerner, who says the two big reasons men faking intercourse more are increasing use of SSRI-based antidepressants (which based on my experience with the things sounds 100% plausible) and porn-fueled disappointment with less-than-ideal real-life partners (seems more cliche -- ever heard a woman who watches porn use that as a reason?)

I say interestingly because neither of those reasons seem to have been on the minds of the researchers themselves. (Or if they are other reporters aren't mentioning it -- I haven't read the pay-per-view article myself.)

For instance Stephanie Pappas, senior writer at LiveScience.com, who has read the article says it looks more like this

For men, the most common reasons for faking it were that orgasm was unlikely or taking too long and that they wanted sex to end. Four-fifths of women reported they faked it to avoid negative consequences, like hurting their partner's feelings. Half of men reported the same motivation.

The participants who faked shared a common sexual "script," the authors wrote, in which both genders feel pressure to orgasm during intercourse, with the woman orgasming first. In some cases, people are so wedded to this script they pass up the chance to orgasm for real in order to fake orgasm at the "right" time. The study found that 20 percent of the women pretended to orgasm because their partner seemed about to.

Source: LiveScience.com

Those reasons sound a lot more plausible.  I've said for years I think the problem of men and anorgasmia is one of those major stealth issues.  Not every man can get away with faking orgasms every time but the expectations are so high (for both men and their partners) that if for some reason you can't or otherwise don't come easily you're not going to disclose it readily.

I'd also add that even back in the 1970s, before either porn or antidepressants became nearly universal, between 5 and 15% of men could be persuaded to admit at least occasional difficulty having orgasms.

(Via Razib Khan)

Classic Holly Pervocracy Paradigm Shifting: On Borrowing Orgasms and Giving Them Back When You're Done

Wed, 2010-12-01 08:57

It's not all that hard to do a post mocking cover articles in each month's Cosmopolitan magazine. The editors evidently go out of their way to create a situation where any reader, no matter how pathetically insecure, can still feel superior to what she or he imagines all other Cosmo readers must be like.

I love reading Holly of The Pervocracy when she tackles the job, though, because she adds value not just in sarcasm (which is mostly just clever form of complaining) but also in straight up insightful, occasionally instructive humor.

Case in point.

"Own His Orgasm!"

I prefer to borrow my orgasms, and give them back when I'm done!

Source: Holly of The Pervocracy.

There's simply no plumbing the depth of that insight. That's how partnered sex works. Anything else is masturbation, in the sense that masturbation is giving one's self sexual gratification with the use of objects, hands, or other body parts. If you're not borrowing and returning gratification I think you're just adding "or other people's body parts" to the definition.

Her attitude is also just so wonderfully opposite to the idea that partners, let alone their orgasms, are something to be owned -- that our partners are part of our personal inventory.  Because, again, inside the dominant paradigm so much about partnered, hetero sex is about men _and women_ taking posession of each other rather than doing something together.

How Much Does Entitlement Account for Gendered Differences in Reports of Women's Orgasms?

Thu, 2010-10-07 11:32

Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon, notes the heterosexual orgasm gap in the latest Indiana University National Sex Study. In a nutshell 85% of men say their partners had an orgasm at their most recent sexual encounter while only 64% of women say they did. Amanda does the math and notes the gap is still wide even you account for the 7% of men who say their last sexual encounter was with another man.

Anyway, no doubt riffing off the recent Missouri puppy-mill/patriotism mashup, she says

I’m sure I’ll offend some choice feminist who thinks that it’s unfair to criticize women who make the totally autonomous choice to flatter a man with a fake orgasm instead of working towards a real one, but I’m taking a stand on this one.  It’s un-feminist to fake, ladies!  I’ll quote Dan Savage on this one:

The boyfriend or husband you humor with fake O’s today may be some other woman’s boyfriend or husband tomorrow.  He’s not yours indefinitely.  When he lands between another woman’s legs, make sure you’ve done your part for the sisterhood—-which is powerful, you know—-by not giving him a false impression of his own meager skills, or false expectations about women’s sexual response.

On the flip side, if we start protesting the institution of the fake orgasm, watch the Tea Crackers rush forward to angrily defend it.  I’m just sayin’. 

She said it here.

It’s a great punchline although, unfortunately, a little bit of Googling suggests Tea Bagger types are more likely to feel entitled to real ones, seeing faked orgasms as more evidence of conniving “female” duplicity.

The No-Sex Class: "Male Orgasms Are Not Interesting, Of Course

Mon, 2010-08-30 14:41

Lovely, supportive snark from Holly of The Pervocracy the other day in an aside about social attitudes about men’s orgasms.

(Male orgasms are not interesting, of course. Because women’s orgasms are like intricate flowers blown in fierce waves under a sky of fireworks, and men’s orgasms are like “splurt.” Sigh. It’s tough being a flower, but at least my sexuality isn’t comic relief. Instead it’s the experience of the Other and must be documented for the edification of humans. But anyway.)

She said it here.

My version of this insight is one of the things that made me decide to invert the feminist “sex class” construction such that men are the “sex class” and women the “no-sex class.” Men are considered so automatically, intrinsically, reflexively, and obligately sexual that it’s just assumed that the only possible interesting things about us is when there’s something wrong with our ability to have orgasms. The top two being premature ejaculation and impotence, plus occasional grumblings about refractory periods.

But interest in healthy, non-dysfunctional, normal human male orgasms? Aside perhaps from a peculiar and probably porn-influenced obsession with volume, not so much.

One more bit of evidence, if we didn’t already have railroad cars full, that scientific and medical principal investigators are still overwhelmingly male.

That’s not to say that male orgasms will be the first thing women researchers tackle when they start breaking the glass ceilings of grant administration boards. But it is to say that women, unlike men, probably wouldn’t have the acute performance-related and homophobic “nothing to see there, let’s move along” anxiety combined with “I do it all the time how could anyone possibly be interested” arrogance I think a lot of male researchers have.

If the Utilitarian Value of Sex Was Only Orgasms Why Would We Bother Kissing?

Sun, 2010-08-29 13:42

While reassuring yet another correspondent who’s concerned about being able to… I dunno… perform vaginal orgasms Jessi Fischer of The Sexademic nails the crippling folly of making orgasms the stat-counter of sex. That and the equally crippling trap of distinguishing “foreplay” from the “real thing” of intercourse.

Of course, none of this is to suggest you should toss penetrative vaginal sex off the list of enjoyable sexual stimulation. Kissing may not make you come, but damn it feels good.

She said it here.

There’s so much about sex that feels good. Orgasms? Oh yeah, and woe betide those who arbitrarily decides they’re not necessary for their partners! But if the only point was orgasms then why would anyone ever bother with kissing?

It’s not a trick question. There are plenty of things that feel good about sex, sometimes very good, that don’t* make you come. Kissing is only the most obvious.

* Ok, ok, someone somewhere will always pipe in that THEY are able to come from activity X, Y, or Z. But while that’s obviously wonderful for them, if most people don’t come that way it doesn’t refute the point.

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