patriarchy

The Patriarchy Evidently Just Can't Stand the Way Women's Autonomy and Economic Independence Increases Men's Freedom

Tue, 2011-04-05 23:13

M'kay so you want a direct example of how anti-feminists a) hate men and b) believe the only role women should have in society is as bait for men? Matthew Yglesias has the goods.  Emphasis mine.

This put me in mind of Monica Potts’ review of Kay Hymowitz:

“Before [today], the fact is that primarily, a 20-year-old woman would have been a wife and a mother,” author Kay Hymowitz told the crowd of about 100 at the Manhattan Institute in New York City. Men would have been mowing lawns and changing the oil in their family sedans instead of playing video games and watching television.

Hymowitz’s argument, essentially, is that not only has feminism opened up new doors of opportunity to women, but it’s helped contribute to the growth of a society in which young men are less crushed down with family and household obligations and are spending more time enjoying themselves. Except she means this as a bad thing! In both cases the conservative conceit seems to be that a decline in human suffering is a bad thing because it leads to a corresponding decline in admirable anti-suffering effort. John Holbo memorably dubbed this Donner Party Conservatism.

Source: Matthew Yglesias

Got that?  Conservatives just fucking hate it when women have political and social autonomy, that they're approaching economic parity, that thanks to contraceptives, Plan B, and abortion they can have children when they want to and still have sex when they don't, and most importantly, that women can have men in their lives because they want men in their lives and not because they'll starve if they don't offer their asses to someone who'll support and "protect" them.

And why do conservatives hate women with social, economic, reproductive, and sexual autonomy?

Because with all that freedom they're not obliged to drag men down into early marriage, into greater responsibility, into ground down death-of-a-salesman lifespans.  Which means that men too have new freedom.

And before anyone goes all work-ethic angst-y about men "slacking off" I just want to point out that the ex anti baseline was... men working twice as hard as necessary in order to support an able-bodied partner who was effectively forbidden to work at all! In other words men are only "slacking off" relative to the Willie Lomans of conservative findom fetishists.  Fuck them!

Anyway, I think that really nicely illustrates how

  • Men benefit not only indirectly but directly from feminism
  • How conservatism views women primarily as bait to use to dominate and control men
  • How neither women or men are intended to benefit from the system of patriarchy
  • Why men ought to have as vested an interest in the outcome of feminism as women do
  • Why men should direct their ire not at feminism but the fucking assholes who want to use women to control men.

And finally,

  • How it's patriarchy rather than feminism that genuinely, truly, madly, and deeply hates and fears men.

I mean seriously! What decent person... what person with any hint of integrity or honor... what person in his or her right mind thinks the real reason women should be kept barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the stove is to keep men's noses chained to the grindstone?!?!?

Oh, and it's not just Hymowitz who blames women for men's happiness.  Yglesias begins his post with news that the American Enterprise Institute just hosted a whole fucking conference on the insufficient misery suffered by millions of American men and women.

Fuck them and the horse they rode up on!

Via Amanda Marcotte, who's own post excoriating the Right's viscious assault on men's happiness and freedom is called The War on Joy.

Update: But see also Echidne who catches conservative British cabinet minister David Willets being a little more honest: all those feminists are making upward mobility more difficult for men.

Worth 10,000 Words -- Explaining to My Children the Relationship Between for Feminism, MRAs, and Patriarchy

Mon, 2011-03-28 15:57

Photo of me reading Gary Larson's The Far Side Gallery to my children.
Photo of me reading Gary Larson's The Far Side Gallery to my daughter.

Almost from the first time I saw it in original form this comic has represented the relationship between men, feminism, and anti-feminist agitators.

The bulls in the pen, with the best of all possible intentions, exhort their doomed companion to be distracted by the cape when to the extent bulls have a way out of the ring at all they need to go for the matador instead.

  • The cape doesn't hate, fear, or make sport of the bull.
  • Even when the bull manages to trample, gore, and shred the cape as they sometimes do his misery and danger will never be relieved.
  • The matador uses the cape to enrage and distract the bull.
  • The crowd uses cape, bull, and matador for its benefit.
  • Occasionally the matador is hurt... not so much when the bull gets lucky, though, as when the matador is unlucky or "goes too far."
  • It's almost impossible for the men and women in the audience to be hurt by a bull.
  • On the rare occasions it is it's considered the work of a "deranged individual."
  • The whole enterprise is a barbaric sport.

It's still not a perfect analogy, obvously.  For one thing a bull can't make common cause with a cape.  Men, on the other hand, could find plenty of common cause with feminism.

Do Men Have Some Catching Up to Do? Sure, But It's Not Women We Need to Catch Up With -- It's Our Own Supressed Potential

Thu, 2011-02-24 11:38

Image by Flickr user x-ray delta one. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Image by Flickr user x-ray delta one, Used under a Creative Commons license.

Reflecting Kay Hymowtz's latest lazy anti-feminist screed in the Wall Street Journal, Kay Steiger notes that

Kay Hymowitz and I might share a first name, but there seems to be little else that we share. She's written about dating and marriage in the past, saying, "By the early twentieth century, things had evolved so that in the United States, at any rate, a man knew the following: he was supposed to call for a date; he was supposed to pick up his date; he was supposed to take his date out, say, to a dance, a movie, or an ice-cream joint; if the date went well, he was supposed to call for another one; and at some point, if the relationship seemed charged enough—or if the woman got pregnant—he was supposed to ask her to marry him."

Source: Kay Steiger

Hymowitz is just so full of shit. That whole litany at the beginning about what men had "learned" by the beginning of the 20th Century? Any idea who all that learning, and the resulting behavior, was intended to impress? The prospective date's parents (mostly her father)... who at the time were still the arbiters of whether their daughter's "hand" would be given to the boy. For marriage or anything else.

The idea that increased empowerment for (young, single) women has automatically meant decreased power for their prospective young, single suitors is almost as novel as the idea that young single men have ever had very much power. Even if you were to buy Hymowitz's claims without reservation (which I wouldn't recommend) then the primary difference for young single men at the beginning of the 20th Century and the beginning of the 21st would be that decision-making power has shifted from young women's fathers to the women themselves.

And dear sweet mother of pearl let's not point out that Hymowitz's deprecation of today's callow, snot-nosed, "self-abusing" men is nothing compared to the combined scorn and anxiety heaped on them towards the end of the 19th Century.

It's not quite true that those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Instead it's that those who don't know history doom us to hearing the same alarums raised generation after generation.

Do men have a little catching up to do? Sure. But it's not women we need to catch up with. It's residual patriarchy -- internalized and external -- that's holding us back.

I'd just add that patriarchy being a co-ed enterprise, Hymowitz's punditry is part of the problem for men, not part of the solution.

I'd also point out that, predictably, Hymowitz's subtext isn't that women make men small. It's the classic anti-feminist subtext that men are such sniveling losers that the only way to make them look big is to hold women back. The reason I like feminism is feminism's enduring faith in men's ability to rise to meet ordinary expectations. Anti-feminists? Not so much.

And she wants us to believe that feminists are the man haters!

Of Course Besides Hypergamy Another Component of Patriarchy is Hyperbooty-amy

Mon, 2011-02-14 10:44

Hypergamy, according to it's Wikipedia entry, is defined this way

Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as marrying up or gold digging) is the act or practice of seeking a spouse of equal or higher socioeconomic status, or caste status than oneself.

The term is often used more specifically in reference to a perceived tendency amongst human cultures for females to seek or be encouraged to pursue male suitors that are comparatively older, wealthier or otherwise more privileged than themselves. Hypergamic behaviours can be explained in terms of genetic economic necessity, in which societies with high levels of gender inequality are more likely to have women who "marry-up" for the benefit of their children, and more likely to have men who "marry-down" to ensure that their mates have a higher incentive to remain faithful.

Now hypergamy, as I just pointed out, is a tool of patriarchy. It's not the only tool, however. Another would be... well... I can't think of the term at the moment so I'm going to call it "hyperbooty-amy:" the act or practice of seeking a spouse or partner of equal or higher.

Under patriarchy, even when men and women have equal opportunity to select partners, the rates of pay were and sometimes still are traditionally skewed in favor of men and at the expense of women. Among other things this creates the very unpleasant situation where a woman who married a male colleague with the same experience, same qualifications, and same job as she is nevertheless engaging in "hypergamy." Point being that under patriarchy, women have been structurally obliged to at least be aware of men as the dreaded "walking wallets." Whether they want to or not. Even, at times, with professional equals.

At the same time men are denied virtually all hint that they might be sexually or possibly even romantically desirable to women. Similarly women have been actively discouraged from acknowledging that men might be anything other than "good providers," let alone dare to hint that just looking at any but the most glamourous (read wealthy, famous, and/or accomplished) men might stir their loins.

Men, on the other hand, who assess potential partners in terms of anything but their boobs, their butts, their booties, their blowjobs, or (for the more sedate) their ability to bear children (call it the five B's) are slandered with all manner of suspicion and slur. A gigolo if she earns more than he does. A liar if he admires her "for her mind." And, alternately, "under her thumb," or "she must be really something in the sack," or maybe just "he must be really desperate" if she's less conventionally attractive than his "worthiness" is deemed to warrant.

Let's not even mention the lip-service-only scowls at starter wives.

Men's rights activists deplore, I think correctly, the Patriarchal tool of hypergamy and not, I think also correctly, that hypergamy doesn't get the attention it deserves from most feminists (relative to its patriarchal implications anyway.) Under patriarchy there's a second, less considered phenomenon in which attention and concern are reversed. Call it "hyper-booty-amy" where feminists quite naturally notice and deplore the social dismissal of women who aren't conventionally attractive and... men's rights activists rarely give it any thought. This too is a shame considering that this too is a tool patriarchy uses to manipulate men and women to its own ends.

When someone says of a woman "she could do better," they're encouraging hypergamy. When someone says "he could do better," they're encouraging hyperbootyamy. And when comment-thread gadfly Eurosabra deplores that a) the top 20% of "high status" men "get" the top 20% of conventionally attractive women he thinks he's merely complaining about hypergamy. Instead he's celebrating both hypergamy and hyperbootyamy and merely complaining that he's not in that top 20%. He's not alone.

At the end of the day, though, you can't consistently complain about the one without the other. At least not once it's pointed out.

See also Two Rules of Desire

Hypergamy Being a Tool of the Patriarchy, Feminists and Men's Rights Activists Should Work Together to Smash Patriarchy

Sun, 2011-02-13 15:24

So in comments on my post about the egregious Pepsi Max Superbowl ad tu quoque, who's pretty hostile to feminism, replied to one of my previous replies that

"Feminist believe that the strictures of gender are cause by patriarchy.

MRAs, for the most part, believe they're caused by female hypergamy."

I think that's perfectly true, but also almost perfectly non-contradictory.

Roughly 90% of female hypergamy, a.k.a. seeking a husband or partner of a higher social class or position, is a product of patriarchy.

Consider the disgraceful situation where parents use infanticide to control any "surplus" of girl children. Same with situations where parents murder daughters who are perceived to be flirting or otherwise interacting with boys who aren't of their parent's choice. Same for the not-so-ancient American and European tradition of paying men more than women on the blunt assumption that "men must support their family" while women are... if not outright chopped liver then certainly economically obliged to find a male partner who (by convention) makes more than she can.

In none of those situations is it the girls and women who are creating "hypergamy." In pretty much none of those cases is it the (underpaid, sequestered, or outright dead!) girls and women who are making those choices.

And since the system of patriarchy is a system wherein heads of household and potential heads of households decide who may and may not marry (or, in some situations, live!) then patriarchy is indeed the source of nearly all hypergamy.

Thus MRAs who think hypergamy sucks should make common cause with feminism.

In fact, I'll go one step further: one of the most common denominators of feminism is a belief that everyone should have the right to life, liberty, and equal social, political, and economic power, the very last thing actual feminists want is hypergamy. Thus feminism ought to be interested in making common cause with MRAs as well. Patriarchy and hypergamy go hand in hand.

I'll go one step further and say if you smash patriarchy you'll destroy hypergamy. Similarly without hypergamy patriarchy is almost meaningless.

One More Very Real Way Ancient, Established Patriarchal Attitudes Towards Women and Rape Hurt Men

Fri, 2011-02-11 22:08

Ampersand, raising a giant whopping WTF, says that under Federal crime-reporting standards men legally can't be raped.  Turns out that in the 1920s, when the reporting standards were generated, weren't exactly a bastion of progressive, feminist-influenced gender neutrality.

For [Uniform Crime] reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as “The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will” (p. 19). In addition, “By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury”

Source: Alas, a blog

Lest Men's Rights Activists cry conspiracy about how it's all a femininisister plot to exclude male victims entirely, under more recent guidelines from the 1980s rape of men by women is legally recognized but...

[I]n the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) ... at least one offender must be of a different sex than the victim for the event to be classified as a forcible rape. For example, a female can rape a male, or in the case of multiple offenders, a female and male can rape a male. However, a male cannot rape another male, or in the case of multiple offenders, two males cannot rape a male.

To complete the FBI's gender-bound definitions, men can rape women, women can rape men, but men can't rape other men and women can't rape women.

But let's stop for a moment and reflect on the pace of progress: in the 1920s the law in the U.S. was almost entirely based on already centuries-old English Common Law adopted wholesale during Colonial times.  That not only defined rape as something that could happen exclusively to women, it was also defined as a property crime.  Where the legal victim was considered to be the woman's father, husband, or other custodial male who's "property" was "damaged!"

Fast forward 50 years to the 1980s when the NIBRS was established.  Society vaguely recognized that in order "to be fair" language had to be less narrowly gender specific.  Thus the inclusion of the possibility that women can rape men.  But based on my own recollection of the culture of the day I'm pretty sure that was a mere formality.  In the early 1980s they were just getting around to registering gay people as statistically relevant.  They were just getting around to recognizing the idea that there was more kinds of rape than jumping out of the bushes.  They were just barely getting around to accepting the idea that husbands could rape their wives.  Heck, they'd only barely just stated noticing all the "drop the soap" jokes about prison rape!

Fast forward 30 more years and... well... there's still quite a way to go but at least...

Advocates question the rape statistics because, they note, the federal government is using a 1929 definition of the crime that excludes male victims, statutory rapes and those committed without force.

Using such an antiquated, narrow definition is a harmful disservice to countless victims, according to Carol Tracy, executive director of the Philadelphia-based Women’s Law Project. Specter agreed, saying the definition is not “inclusive like it should be.”

Men account for roughly 10 percent of victims in the United States, said Scott Berkowitz, head of the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

The adoption of broader rape statistics is critical to the recovery process for male victims, added Dr. Richard Gartner, a spokesman for the group Male Survivor.

Interestingly, the FBI’s man in charge of the UCR is quoted saying he’s open to changing the definitions.

Compared to the 1189 A.D. English Common Law, or the 1920s UCR, or the 1980s NIBRS, and you can actually detect some progress.

And, at least compared to 1189 A.D. it seems to be accelerating!

If they're not able to acknowledge that anybody can be raped, just as much as anybody can be a rapist, though, they're still stuck in the middle ages.

Something else to agitate for (and be agitated about.)

Colorado Rep. Kent Lambert Differs Mightily on the Meaning and Consequences of the Words "Suffer the Children" in Matthew 19:14

Tue, 2011-01-25 22:50

Calvin and Hobbes. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Calvin and Hobbes comic via SBC prof Tim W. Loboschefski.

Jamelle Brouie quotes a Republican Colorado state legislator who a) imagines he's a good father and grandfather, b) imagines he's a good Presbyterian and c) seems to imagine he'll go to Heaven when he dies despite d) taking active steps to hurt small children in order to punish their parents.

"As a family guy myself with children and grandchildren, I take a very strong responsibility to earn money to feed my own family," said Sen. Kent Lambert, R-Colorado Springs, who voted against the request.

Shorter Lambert: If those poor kids didn't have such irresponsible parents, then they'd be able to afford breakfast!

Source: TAPPED

This is the the most intensely corrosive piece of patriarchy whether it be the personal, cultural, economic, or (nominally) Biblical type: in patriarchy small children aren't full-fledged individuals human beings. Nor, despite his professed "Christian" interest in the "sanctity of life" does it appear to occur to him that they have their own souls. Instead they're merely assets or liabilities... instruments to reflect the virtues of the well to do, and to "force-multiplied" punishment for those who aren't.

In the real, non-patriarchal world, however, children don't somehow magically disappear the moment they turn 18... to be replaced with what? Toast? It doesn't work that way. Instead they grow to take up the reins of the world when their generation comes of age. Or, if ill fed, mistreated because somebody wanted to "teach their parents a lesson," and otherwise left behind they become instead burdens, no longer on their parents but on their fellow citizens.

On Coming Out of the Cellar: Feminism for Men in the 21st Century

Tue, 2011-01-04 12:56

Echidne of the Snakes says all men's rights activists may not be anti-feminist patriarchal fanatics, which is perfectly true.  The ones who are those things, though, are kind of... well... self-defeating.  She goes into more detail but I'd like to focus mainly on her first example (emphasis mine.)

Feminism, in my working definition, is the goal of offering all people equal economic and social opportunities irrespective of their gender and of equal valuation of the traditionally female and male fields of activity.activity*.

Thus, one might expect an anti-feminist to work on that definition, especially the equal opportunities part, and some anti-feminists do (as seen later in this post). But the most important MRA principles really DON'T discuss equal opportunities for both genders and how traditional patriarchy might short-change not just women but also men. Instead, the main argument is that even in the traditional patriarchy men are worse off than women, and that this is the reason WHY traditional patriarchy should be brought back.

Source: Echidne of the Snakes

That really is self defeating!  Men are perfectly right that patriarchy sucks for men.  My favorite analogy is to say that the "privilege" of patriarchy is getting to sit closest to the only air vent in a stiflingly hot, dark cellar.  Yes, it's nice to get the extra bit of fresh air.  And yes, if you've been traditionally privileged to sit near the vent you're naturally going to resent anyone who expects you to share.  And as long as you overlook the inherent selfishness it's even reasonable that you'd put considerable effort in keeping everyone else in their place.

But that's the zero sum approach to patriarchy.  The other approach would be to team up with everyone else and find a way out of the fucking cellar! There's so much more room, air, light, and especially opportunity in the whole rest of the house, the yard, the street, the neighborhood, the town, the country, and world!  For everybody!  Why stay in the basement at all?  That's the positive-sum approach.

Unless you're short on imagination, stuck in your ways, or just generally really afraid of change there's no reason to stay in the cellar at all, let alone to keep anyone else in it.

Yes, very early on some feminists really did think the answer was zero sum, where success just meant letting women sit near the metaphorical patriarchal vents, or maybe just giving everyone an equal turn.  But that was also back when the idea of shared bathrooms and uniform "unisex" clothes was really hip and groovy (but in practice you'd be you'd be instantly locked out if you were actually trans, or intersex, or genderqueer, or otherwise non-binary underneath.)  And maybe some of them still do think that way but the more operative word for them isn't so much "feminist" these days as it is "fossilized."  Most feminists who've come of age since maybe 1985 have been far more exasperated than angry, far less zero sum than zero interested in staying in the fucking cellar.

Anyway, whether one agrees with Echidne on the rest of her particulars (I mostly do) in almost any system of logic the answer to "patriarchy hurts men" is less patriarchy! More of what makes you miserable, of what keeps you starved for sex, of what controls your behavior by methodically impounding and restricting "access" to women who might otherwise be willing partners, of the stress of sole financial responsibility, of the alienation of working away while your partner and children remain in the home, of the intense dread of homophobia-phobia, of higher workplace and homicide rates of death, of poorer health, of patriarchal "women are natural child-nurturer" custody biases, to being branded "creepy" for normal interest in unconventional sex, to being "seen as a wallet with legs," to just being generally regarded as "expendible?"  All that stuff?  The answer to all that sure as heck isn't more patriarchy.  In fact, where's the mileage in any of that crap?

Meanwhile, often as not just across the table from you, there's a woman who's not only similarly discontent with the way patriarchy's shaking out for her either.  She's probably pretty darn sure the answer isn't more patriarchy either.

The answer, of course, is post-1980s feminism, which, again, is no more interested in feminism as a zero-sum game as you are.  Or would be.  If you weren't still freaking out about Valarie flipping Solanas, published her stupid S.C.U.M Manifesto 43 years ago now and who died in obscurity in 1988!

Kasheesh, dudes!  It's 2011 A.D., not 1120!  You want to spend the next millennium in a dark, hot cellar?

Shoshana Grossbard: Traditional Polygamy Undermines Women's Autonomy Despite Intuitive Economic Theories to the Contrary

Thu, 2010-12-09 11:20

Via Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution, here's a link to a counterintuitive but compelling argument against the institution of traditional polygamy (that would be polygyny for sticklers but I'm going stick with the conventional term here.)

Cowen links to a Globe and Mail interview of Professor Shoshana Grossbard, an expert in the economics of marriage from San Diego State University by Vancouver journalist James Keller.

[A]llowing men to have multiple wives inevitably leads to a reduced supply of women, increasing demand.

But rather than making women more valuable in such communities, she said, that scarcity encourages men in polygamous societies to exert control over them to ensure they have access to the limited supply.

“In the cultures and societies worldwide that have embraced it, polygamy is associated with undesirable economic, societal, physical, psychological and emotional factors related especially to women’s well-being,” said Prof. Grossbard, whose research has primarily focused on polygamous cultures in Africa.

Prof. Grossbard was the latest academic to testify in B.C. Supreme Court in a reference case to determine whether Canada’s polygamy law is consistent with the religious guarantees in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The court will also hear from current and former residents of polygamous communities.

Prof. Grossbard said there are fewer women available to men in societies that permit polygamy – even for monogamous men, because they are drawing from the same pool of women.

Since that scarcity could increase what she describes as the women’s “bargaining power,” men in such societies have an incentive to ensure they retain control over who the women marry.

To that end, Prof. Grossbard said, polygamy is associated with teenage brides, arranged and forced marriages, payments to brides’ fathers, little emphasis on “romantic” love and poor access to education or the work force – all designed to restrict the ability of women to choose who they marry.

“The men in polygamous societies want these institutions to help them control women,” Prof. Grossbard said.

Source: Globe and Mail

In his post Cowen asks

I am not a fan of polygamy, but I find this argument strange (though not strictly impossible; men can behave preemptively and incur a large fixed cost to prevent a subsequent erosion of their control). Surely Grossbard would not argue that all institutions which improve the bargaining power of women lead to...less bargaining power for women. So why is polygamy so special in this regard?

Source: Marginal Revolution

I think Grossbard actually answers the question but since, as I say, it does seem counterintuitive I'm going to give it a shot.  The answer, I think, comes from a common but false assumption about Patriarchy, one shared by both by feminists such as Grossbard and agnostics like Cowen: "Patriarchy" is synonymous with "male dominance."  More often, especially in cultures that also practice polygamy, capital-P Patriarchy is better understood as family domination. (Such families are obviously usually headed by a male "patriarch," true, but in such situations subordinate men no less than subordinate women are dominated by family leaders regardless of their sex.)  That said, here's how I think it works.

An adult woman might be able to marry who she chooses. The more autonomous she is and/or the more authentically committed to her (mono or poly) marriage the less likely she is to negotiate for separate wealth such as a dowery. Why should she? Even if marriageable women are scare she'll be sharing some portion of her husband's wealth and/or estate.

To the extent parents can negotiate for the marriage of their daughter they can instead extract wealth from the husband and/or his family (never assume men have much more choice of spouse than women under real patriarchy.) Unlike the prospective bride herself, her family is unlikely to share directly in the husband's family's wealth. Consequently they have an incentive to attempt one of at least two major bride-price-capturing strategies. First they can arrange a marriage with another family before their daughter comes of legal age. Second they can agitate for cultural or legal means to control who she marries even after she comes of age. Either way they come out ahead, and therefore they have *incentive* to try to come out ahead, and therefore Grossbard's argument holds.

Most of Grossbard's assumptions depend on circumstances where marriageable women are in demand. I'm... pretty sure the agreeable-for-women conditions Cowen is thinking about depend on situations where women are either in neutral demand or negative demand, as in regions and cultures where dowrys rather than bride prices are required to secure marriage for a daughter.

Point being that both Cowen or Grossbard can be right. It just depends on who gets to make the marriage (individuals or their parents) and which way the money flows.

Final point: in his post Cowen says

Polygamy ends when children cease to be a net economic asset. As society progresses and urbanizes, there are cheaper ways of having sex with multiple women, if that is one's goal.

In light of my discussion, above, Cowen can be even more right when he says the key is the net economic asset "value" of children. When it's profitable for a family to retain control over who a child marries they'll do so. When there is little or no such value you get crap like infanticide and children "apprenticed" off for "service" in sweatshops and domestic servitude.


Dumb question: if the "seed spreading," "naturally polygamous" ideologies forwarded by sociobiologists, evolutionary psychologists, and the editors of Esquire and Details were true then where high bride prices are demanded you'd expect at least some men to respond by marrying multiple partners. And yet...

One explanation is that in most such cultures families control not only who their daughters marry but who their sons do as well. Another would be that our notions of sexual scarcity distort the deeper reality that polygamy is virtually always either an economic or political rather than a sexual arrangement. Brigham Young didn't marry 143 women because he wanted to have sex with them -- many or most had property that accrued to their husbands upon marriage.

Restructure's Dad's Institutional Sexism Almost "Protected" Her Right Out of a Career in Computer Science

Tue, 2010-10-26 07:53

Restructure! of Geek Feminism Blog talks about how the social messages her father got about the internet (it’s all online stalkers, it’s all porn) made her entry into computer science (at which she excelled) far more difficult.

I was such an Internet noob in my first year of university, that I spammed other students I wanted to befriend with useless e-mail chain letters. I’m bitter that I still didn’t understand the intricacies of using a web browser, that a fellow student from a CS course had to tell me that I could right-click on a link and choose “Save As…”. I’m bitter that I probably made women in CS look bad. My programming assignments in my intro programming course were still perfect, but people usually don’t understand that someone can be an Internet noob who knows how to code. It’s not that I was technically incompetent because of female brain hard-wiring. It’s that I was technically incompetent because of sexism; because of the patriarchal structure of my household where my father’s opinion overrides the majority vote; and because my father is a special kind of luddite.

Male geeks often say that the geek community is a meritocracy, and that there are no barriers to girls learning technology except for our choices (or our brains), but I faced extra hurdles because of my gender. Not everyone has the same access to technology, because technology does not exist in the ether; it has physical and social components that grant and deny access. I was privileged, because I had a shared family computer before most of my peers. I was also disadvantaged, because I was a girl.

Source: Geek Feminism Blog.

This sounds like a classic case of best intentions gone awry. Her mom had internet access through work and felt her daughters should have access. She and her sisters wanted it as well. By adamantly vetoing all requests her dad, though with no doubt the very best intentions, stunted her development in much the same way another parent might “protect” their children by restricting access to books or school.

My father did not work in an office then, so he heard more about “the Internet” through his coworkers. One male coworker basically explained to my father that The Internet Is For Porn. My father came home and told us that he was never going to let us have Internet access, because girls especially should be protected from exposure to pornography.

I just wince hearing about that. In my house growing up it was the same way only it was about television. Both my parents were adamant that we not be exposed to advertisements. The downsides, though, of never having any idea what our friends were talking about was… awkward. Especially since they also constrained who’s houses we could visit with the eternal question “do they have a television, and will it be turned on?” I

n my family’s case the concerns were mainly anti-consumerism and it only made us parochial social outcasts. In Restructure’s case it directly affected her education and career opportunities!

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