polyandry

Vagismus, Dyspareunia, the Best Not-Foreplay and Not-Sex Ever... Oh, and Twisty Faster Too

Fri, 2009-02-06 00:10

Twisty Faster of I Blame The Patriarchy, while fulminating against the ills of vaginal penetration in general, efforts to relieve vaginismus and, especially, to treat it with injections of brand-name botulism toxin, also has a good point. In a footnote, sure, but still a good point.

This psychnet-uk.com is a real peach. It appears to reject the notion that anything short of “actual intercourse” may be classified as sex. Orgasms achieved through clitoral stimulation are categorized as “foreplay.” Seriously! in 200-fucking-9!

Read the quote in context here.

Um. Yeah, by their definition the partner I had the most memorable, whole-body-shuddering, hands-trembling, heart-thumping, can’t-speak-in-complete-words-let-alone-sentences, years-later-wake-up-dreaming-about umm… um… series of physical-relationship engagements while hardly ever having “sex” at all.

Frequent vaginal penetration, yes, but not with the body part Twisty loathes most, and frequently no part of mine at all. Nor at my instigation. Nor for that matter by my hand or any other part. (Well… actually sometimes with my hand, or most of it.)

But as far as I can tell since it wasn’t vaginal penetration with Teh Cock none of that was sex either.

Hmm… since she didn’t have (external) clitoral orgasms it wasn’t foreplay either.

Dang, we must have been bored senseless!

Worse, since what we did do never counted as sex then none of the other ways we gave each other and ourselves sometimes almost painfully intense orgasms wouldn’t have been foreplay either.

You know what we did do though? We talked a lot (we didn’t always live in the same place.) And we showed each other what we liked to do to ourselves. And we spent a lot of time with each other. Naked. Touching each other. All over. No, I mean all over. Like massage. Only erotic. Like back scratching. Like shoulder rubs. Like exploring each other, your hands on top of theirs not guiding but following, their hands on yours but again not guiding but following. Like tracing each others faces, and backs, bellies, toes, ribs, throats, insides of forearms, insides of knees, curling little wisps of unshaved hair and always, always trying to get as close to tickling as possible… without tickling at all… till your skin was almost electric, till just warm breath was erotic fire. Like licking, sucking, mouthing each other, slurping fingers, ears, lips, toes, breasts, labia, cock, throats. Like oiling each other and then sliding over and across each other, reveling in not just the sensation but the weight. Like cupping each other’s groins, hers wet, mine hard, glowing in the infrared with hot blood heat. Like jacking and jilling ourselves and each other…

But since she loved penetration… but was never moved by intercourse… at least not with me and maybe not with anyone mortal… what we discovered together instead was, well, some of the most erotically profound not-foreplay-nor-sex-according-to-psychnet-uk* I’ve ever had in my life.

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Here’s the thing about Twisty though. Everybody assumes she’s a lesbian. Or asexual. Or a survivor of this or that. Or an internet troll. Maybe so although unless she says so out loud it’s really none of our business. But even if she turned out to be the founding matriarch of the F(eminist)LDS with 131 husbands stashed away in a compound somewhere near Waco it still makes sense that patriarchal crap (like Psychnet-UK’s assertion that another vagina-related psychological disorder, dyspareunia, can be caused by insufficient foreplay or infection and can be treated by counseling and psychotherapy or with medication or lubrication) would drive her batshit insane.

Actually it would make more sense that the grand matriarch of 131 husbands would have zero tolerance for standards of phallocentrism so rigid that sex isn’t even defined for a woman without a jack lodged firmly in her pulpit. For that matter just assuming that she’s a polyandrist would also explain her sense that women, being human, should have sovereignty, acknowledgement, place, compensation, and co-location with men on the species definition of H. Sapiens Sapiens.

I’m not saying she is or isn’t any particular way because I either don’t know or don’t remember. Just saying it wouldn’t be necessary to be a radical feminist separatist lesbian to carry on the way she does. And therefore it’s not terribly useful to assume she is… and to use that assumption to rule out everything she says… instead of just the stuff you disagree with.

On the Proposition of Marriage

Tue, 2008-11-11 14:51

Tony Infanti of Feminist Law Professors, quoting a Utah-based lesbian and gay rights group, points to a sliver of possible upside to the recent passage of California’s anti-marriage Proposition 8.

But leaders of the rights group here, Equality Utah, said statements made by Mormon leaders in defense of their actions in California — that the church was not antigay and had no problem with legal protections for gay men and lesbians already on the books in California — were going to be taken as an endorsement to expand legal rights that gay and lesbian couples have never remotely had in Utah, where the church is based.”

Read the rest of the article, and follow the included links, here.

Yeah, it’s always seemed a little funny that opposition to the marriage of “Adam and Steve” would come from anyone so recently persecuted for the marriage of “Adam and Eve and Genevieve.”

(Note: One can condemn the exploitative manifestations of multiple marriage of, say, the Warren Jeffs schism of the FLDS while tolerating at least the theory of non-exploitative marriages of more than one husband or wife.)

Polygamy vs. Polygyny vs. Polyandry, Legality, oh and the "No-Sex" Class

Mon, 2008-04-21 10:18

The Associated Press’s Jennifer Dobner, via The Seattle Post-Intelligencer says the recent raid on the “Yearning for Zion” Ranch in El Dorado, Texas, has prompted polygamists to start talking more to the press.

Plural-marriage families exist mostly in the shadows, said Mary Batchelor, a co-founder of Principle Voices, a polygamy advocacy group. She said families typically don’t speak publicly for fear they’ll be prosecuted for bigamy or lose their children to state authorities. “It’s scary, but ultimately, we decided to speak up and let the chips fall where they may,” she said.

Read the quote in context here.

Technically I believe they’re talking to the press because defense lawyers for their (sometimes literal) masters are instructing them to, but in all events it’s probably not a bad thing that they’re coming at least partly out of the “shadows” (a.k.a. closet) to talk about what, exactly, it is they do.

And can I just say I think it’s probably a good thing for the same reason I think prostitution should be more openly discussed? Because what happens in the shadows has this ugly, festering, stinking, soul-sapping, child-abusing, incest-begetting, human-trafficking, other-crimes-ignoring tendency to stay in the shadows.

Because there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with “plural marriages.” Assuming they’re really just plural — i.e. anyone can marry multiple people and not just privileged, overbearing, dictatorial child-abusing, minor-daughter-swapping “family patriarchs.” And assuming they’re really marriages, with all the restrictions — i.e. can’t be your 12-year-old cousin even if your brother owes you for that business loan; i.e. all partners have a right to affirmative consent to marriage; i.e. all partners are legally and socially completely equal in the eyes of both state and church, with full intra-family “votes,” full inheritance rights, full community-property rights, and so on. Oh yeah, and full legal recognition under the law.**

Instead, as we’ve seen with this 100-year-old cult that’s not just in Texas but all over the intermountain west, we see the same behavior we see with other pandemic forms of “victimless crime” such as illegal immigration, prostitution, and cannabis production: constant erosion of respect for other laws and mores, an inability to work with police to curtail that erosion, and a “big umbrella / inner sanctum” dynamic where practitioners can be swayed to tolerate increasingly egregious behavior as long as it’s in the approximate domain that unites them.

The point being that if “sister wives” were able to go to talk to police and child-services groups without having their own children taken away from them they might be less inclined to tolerate when their husband brings home “cousin wives,” “niece wives” and “early-middle-schooler wives.” Or when he starts beating them for not letting him “excommunicate” their middle-school age sons or swapping away their daughters to other men old enough to be their grandfathers.

(It’s the same with illegal vs. legal farmworkers who are more able to report illegal spraying, or illegal vs. legal street prostitutes who are in a better position to report when prostituted children, trafficked sex workers, or violent predators appear in their areas.)

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Oh, and since it’s very easy for readers to balk when someone talks about the benefits of legalized polygamy let’s make sure we clearly define our terms.

See, for instance, Dw3t-Hthr commented in an earlier post

The problems rest with exploitative patriarchal polygyny. And heavily with the ‘exploitative’, more moderately with the ‘polygyny’, with the patriarchal being one of them things.

The fact that every discussion of polygamy I’ve seen assumes that it will be polygynous, as if women are incapable of desiring multiple partners, is one of those things that I get Sarcastic about on occasion. There’s a lot of “women are the intrinsically monogamous class, only men will have an interest in polygamy if it’s legal, thus polygamy will exploit women by giving them all fractional men” subtext of a lot of these discussions.

Yet another area where the dominant paradigm elephants its way into the discussion. (And why do I suspect further contemplation of “plural marriages,” the idea of which still personally vaguely creeps me out, would yield further otherwise unnoticed paradigm-driven assumptions?)

[** In other words (sorry Rick Santorum) just like anyone else who wants to get married provided they’re of age and of legal “sound mind and body.” —fl]

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