polygamy

Turns Out Polygamy, But Not Monogamy or Polyamory, Imposes High Reproductive Costs on Women

Wed, 2011-03-02 01:27

Sooo....

If I was a pop evolutionary psychologist or sociobiologist I might spend all my time pondering how it's just seed-spreadingly natural for men to want to be polygamous.

Oh, silly, me.  Actually if I was a pop evolutionary psychologist or sociobiologist I wouldn't ponder any such thing.  I'd take it as axiomatic -- requiring no proof beyond "makes sense to me" -- and cheerfully use that axiom to prove anything else that popped into my little brain. When pressed by people with a modicum of gender-studies in their background I'd blithly breeze by way of explanation that hogamous-higamous, men are polygamous.

The other axiom I'd posit would be that women just don't like sex in the first place, and that therefore they're grudgingly going to aim to have it as infrequently as possible, preferably with as few men as possible.  And explain that with higamous-hogamous, women are monogamous.  Oh, and bitches too.  Oh, or if they didn't match my axiom, whores.

In evolutionary biology, on the other hand, it's more common to actually ponder whether there might be a reproductive benefit or cost underlying any inclination towards something like monogamy.

Something like this tidbit, via from Holly of Self-Portrait as, who says --

...low fertility rates among Mormon polygamists. My favorite bit:

the more women partnered with a man, the fewer children each of those women had. Exactly why is not clear. Like the Soay rams, men may simply not have had the stamina.... The failure of the Utah polygamy experiment should therefore not be seen as that surprising.

Source: Self-Portrait as

Reading the article it sounds like, in fact, on average, women in polygamous marriages tend to have approximately one fewer child for every fellow "sister wife."  And no, that's not a stretch.  Stories of sultans or Mormon patriarchs notwithstanding, most polygamists have somewhere closer to two to four wives, meaning a one-child per fellow wife isn't going to put anyone in negative numbers.

Anyway, EPs and sociobiologists tend to go on, and on, and on, about how men can fertilize bazillions of women in a lifetime while women's "investment" of pregnancy, lactation, and staying home in the cave-kitchen limits their reproductive potential to a relative handful.  And they brass on about how that means men are "naturally" likely to collect wives and partners willy-nilly whereas women are going to just as "naturally" be all gate-keeper-y and discriminating.

Which never made much sense to me -- in the real, non-Flintstones version of "the state of nature" related groups of women with satellite groups of men seems pretty common, and those groups of related women are usually able to collectively gather and trap enough to feed themselves and most of the men.  So while women might tend to care about fathers, and be interested in having men in their lives, and definitely interested in the meat and other foodstuffs men tend to hunt and forage for.  So in pure reproductive survival terms that's never seemed like a good enough reason to "evolve" a preference for monogamy.

If I were to going to assume that women are "naturally" monogamous, though, and if I were further inclined to go looking for facile sociobiological explanations for why that might be, then the likelihood that getting rooked into polygamy creates a material reduction in women's reproductive potential ought to be just about all I'd need to start making that case.

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Getting back to the original article, the reference to Soay rams is about a variety of sheep that do the whole alpha male head-butting fights over harems thing... but basically run out of sperm.  In comments someone pointed out the tendency for women to ovulate in sync.  That would tend to put a pretty heavy limit on men's ability to productively "spread his seed" in his own "harem."

Which in turn leads me back to the suspicion that "collecting" wives is probably a relatively recent function of property accumulation rather than some sort of "on the savannah" biological adaptation.

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Note that whereas women (and females of other species) are evidently reproductively harmed by polygamy, there wouldn't necessarily be the same issues with polyamory, either overt or covert.  So whereas men might be concerned about "cuckoldry," women (in polygamous marriages anyway) would positively benefit from it.  But in monogamy?  Not so much -- which at the very least ought to be a monogamy selectivity-stabilizer for men. (Don't hold your breath waiting for a pop sociobiologist to bring that one up.)

Correlation Not Causation But a Fun Study Anyway: "Women or Wine, Monogamy and Alcohol"

Tue, 2010-12-28 13:52

Via Tyler Cowen here's a great example of correlation not equaling causation in a paper by researchers Mara Squicciarini and Jo Swinnen called "Women or Wine, Monogamy and Alcohol (pdf)" Here's the abstract.

Intriguingly, across the world the main social groups which practice polygyny do not consume alcohol. We investigate whether there is a correlation between alcohol consumption and polygynous/monogamous arrangements, both over time and across cultures. Historically, we find a correlation between the shift from polygyny to monogamy and the growth of alcohol consumption. Cross-culturally we also find that monogamous societies consume more alcohol than polygynous societies in the preindustrial world. We provide a series of possible explanations to explain the positive correlation between monogamy and alcohol consumption over time and across societies.

Source: Amerian Association of Wine Economists Working Paper #75

They're quite clear that the connection really is a correlation, and they do a reasonably good job of explaining how the two trends tended to develop in parallel.

Question: Should polyamorists take note? :-)

Shoshana Grossbard: Traditional Polygamy Undermines Women's Autonomy Despite Intuitive Economic Theories to the Contrary

Thu, 2010-12-09 11:20

Via Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution, here's a link to a counterintuitive but compelling argument against the institution of traditional polygamy (that would be polygyny for sticklers but I'm going stick with the conventional term here.)

Cowen links to a Globe and Mail interview of Professor Shoshana Grossbard, an expert in the economics of marriage from San Diego State University by Vancouver journalist James Keller.

[A]llowing men to have multiple wives inevitably leads to a reduced supply of women, increasing demand.

But rather than making women more valuable in such communities, she said, that scarcity encourages men in polygamous societies to exert control over them to ensure they have access to the limited supply.

“In the cultures and societies worldwide that have embraced it, polygamy is associated with undesirable economic, societal, physical, psychological and emotional factors related especially to women’s well-being,” said Prof. Grossbard, whose research has primarily focused on polygamous cultures in Africa.

Prof. Grossbard was the latest academic to testify in B.C. Supreme Court in a reference case to determine whether Canada’s polygamy law is consistent with the religious guarantees in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The court will also hear from current and former residents of polygamous communities.

Prof. Grossbard said there are fewer women available to men in societies that permit polygamy – even for monogamous men, because they are drawing from the same pool of women.

Since that scarcity could increase what she describes as the women’s “bargaining power,” men in such societies have an incentive to ensure they retain control over who the women marry.

To that end, Prof. Grossbard said, polygamy is associated with teenage brides, arranged and forced marriages, payments to brides’ fathers, little emphasis on “romantic” love and poor access to education or the work force – all designed to restrict the ability of women to choose who they marry.

“The men in polygamous societies want these institutions to help them control women,” Prof. Grossbard said.

Source: Globe and Mail

In his post Cowen asks

I am not a fan of polygamy, but I find this argument strange (though not strictly impossible; men can behave preemptively and incur a large fixed cost to prevent a subsequent erosion of their control). Surely Grossbard would not argue that all institutions which improve the bargaining power of women lead to...less bargaining power for women. So why is polygamy so special in this regard?

Source: Marginal Revolution

I think Grossbard actually answers the question but since, as I say, it does seem counterintuitive I'm going to give it a shot.  The answer, I think, comes from a common but false assumption about Patriarchy, one shared by both by feminists such as Grossbard and agnostics like Cowen: "Patriarchy" is synonymous with "male dominance."  More often, especially in cultures that also practice polygamy, capital-P Patriarchy is better understood as family domination. (Such families are obviously usually headed by a male "patriarch," true, but in such situations subordinate men no less than subordinate women are dominated by family leaders regardless of their sex.)  That said, here's how I think it works.

An adult woman might be able to marry who she chooses. The more autonomous she is and/or the more authentically committed to her (mono or poly) marriage the less likely she is to negotiate for separate wealth such as a dowery. Why should she? Even if marriageable women are scare she'll be sharing some portion of her husband's wealth and/or estate.

To the extent parents can negotiate for the marriage of their daughter they can instead extract wealth from the husband and/or his family (never assume men have much more choice of spouse than women under real patriarchy.) Unlike the prospective bride herself, her family is unlikely to share directly in the husband's family's wealth. Consequently they have an incentive to attempt one of at least two major bride-price-capturing strategies. First they can arrange a marriage with another family before their daughter comes of legal age. Second they can agitate for cultural or legal means to control who she marries even after she comes of age. Either way they come out ahead, and therefore they have *incentive* to try to come out ahead, and therefore Grossbard's argument holds.

Most of Grossbard's assumptions depend on circumstances where marriageable women are in demand. I'm... pretty sure the agreeable-for-women conditions Cowen is thinking about depend on situations where women are either in neutral demand or negative demand, as in regions and cultures where dowrys rather than bride prices are required to secure marriage for a daughter.

Point being that both Cowen or Grossbard can be right. It just depends on who gets to make the marriage (individuals or their parents) and which way the money flows.

Final point: in his post Cowen says

Polygamy ends when children cease to be a net economic asset. As society progresses and urbanizes, there are cheaper ways of having sex with multiple women, if that is one's goal.

In light of my discussion, above, Cowen can be even more right when he says the key is the net economic asset "value" of children. When it's profitable for a family to retain control over who a child marries they'll do so. When there is little or no such value you get crap like infanticide and children "apprenticed" off for "service" in sweatshops and domestic servitude.


Dumb question: if the "seed spreading," "naturally polygamous" ideologies forwarded by sociobiologists, evolutionary psychologists, and the editors of Esquire and Details were true then where high bride prices are demanded you'd expect at least some men to respond by marrying multiple partners. And yet...

One explanation is that in most such cultures families control not only who their daughters marry but who their sons do as well. Another would be that our notions of sexual scarcity distort the deeper reality that polygamy is virtually always either an economic or political rather than a sexual arrangement. Brigham Young didn't marry 143 women because he wanted to have sex with them -- many or most had property that accrued to their husbands upon marriage.

Personal Past Participles of Polyamory: On the Startling Discovery of Wanting Old Partners More Than New Ones

Sun, 2010-10-10 11:47

I’ve been reading Dossie Easton and Janet Hardy’s The Ethical Slut: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships & Other Adventures lately, the new edition, and it’s been making me think. A lot.

I was thinking about it as I was drifting into a Sunday afternoon nap (after picking up the house and preparing a menu and shopping list for the week but before shopping and cooking for dinner guests tonight.) And what I thought was how nice it would be to reconnect with some of my past long-term partners. And then I thought how often the conflicts that drove us apart might have been mediated by other people — either by their advice and influence or, sometimes, by their ability to meet real needs that we ourselves couldn’t. (For instance my old partner who, at that time in her life, really needed a decades-long relationship with another woman — we got along great in most other regards but no way I could meet her need for that.)

And it seemed, as I was drifting off, that maybe I haven’t been thinking about polyamory with cultural Playboy/Mormon/Sultan blinders — of polyamory as finding new partners to add to one’s current relationships. As opposed to what suddenly seems a lot more natural: to restore common bonds with those we’ve held life in common with. And, this being about polyamory and not polygamy, I think it would be just fine if they also restored common bonds with other partners of their own.

I don’t think that’s crazy talk. And I’m sure I don’t know what my present partner would think of it. And I am going to go back now and take my nap. But…

Yeah, I think I really like that vision.

Maybe more on this later.

Same-Sex vs Polygamous Marriage: As Diametrically Opposed as Marriage for Love vs. Money

Sat, 2010-08-28 10:09

While referencing Utah’s dismally low same-sex marriage acceptance, Em & Lo quipped

Apparently polygamous marriages are okay, but only 22% of the state agrees with gay marriage.

They said it here.

This is actually a pretty not-unreasonable snark based on a non-illogical syllogism: broader society tends to brand both homosexual and group marriages as deviant, and defenders of the “between a man and a woman” standard see permitting gay marriage as a slippery slope gateway to polygamy, (overwhelmingly so!) therefore would-be practitioners of one should be supportive of the other.

I’m going to do a little U-Turn on that position and say that while it’s a perfectly reasonable line of thought it’s also almost completely mistaken: same-sex marriage and Utah-style polygamy couldn’t possibly, possibly be more different. In fact public disapproval is the only thing they have in common!

First of all let’s clear up one other minor misunderstanding. Long-term popular public opinion, as collated, for instance, in the egregiously cis-centric Purity Tests that emerged during the dawn of the networked-computer era, assume that either homosexual or multiple-partner experiences are fetishistic, “kinky,” perverted, or otherwise a departure from “vanilla” normalcy. The first obvious problem being that the vast majority of LGBT community members are as vanilla as cafeteria pudding*. And contrary to any possible myths or fantasies, religious polygamists are just as likely as religious monogamists to have a “for reproduction only” approach to sex. Point being that popular culture’s fantasies of deviancy or licentiousness notwithstanding, actual average gay or polygamist individuals don’t consider themselves “kinky” at all.

But to get to my main point, I think the biggest reason gay marriage is least tolerated in areas that would most tolerate historically polygamous marriage isn’t so much homophobia (though there’s obviously that) but a complete and diametric understanding of the purpose of marriage and the functional roles spouses inside of marriage.

The essence of gay marriage is the love in the subtitle of Stephanie Coontz’s Marriage, a History: How Love Conquered Marriage. Whereas the essence of historic polygamy, especially religious polygamy in the American inter-mountain west, was (and, where still practiced, is) the acquisition, consolidation, or transfer of property, wealth, or obligations between (pretty much exclusively male) heads of families.

For traditionalists, the way two men would exchange property or obligation would be to do a standard business deal or, if they’re a little more old-fashioned, to arrange a marriage between subordinate family members. And for traditionalists, who historically believed women have no autonomous legal, personal, or property rights, letting two marry is as pointless as letting a man’s cattle marry his house.

Meanwhile I think you’d have to look long and hard to find many same-sex couples who want to marry for reasons larger than to legally and socially cement their personal relationships with each other.

This is not to say that polygamists don’t value love for each other, nor that same-sex couples don’t value tax breaks, powers of attorney, and succession of estates. But it is to say those aren’t the essences of the respective forms of marriage.

So. I think the real question isn’t so much why Utah, with its tradition of polygamy, is so antagonistic to same-sex marriage: the purposes are so diametrically opposed it should be no surprise at all. The real question might instead be whether same-sex couples would be similarly antagonistic to efforts to legalize Utah-style patriarchal, property-based polygamy.

My guess would be yes, same-sex couples would probably be particularly antagonistic. All the more reason, then, not to be surprised that same-sex marriage is least popular in Utah.

Just sayin’

* Quentin Crisp’s flamboyant visibility notwithstanding, for instance, there are far more gay men like the quiet “marines, scaffolders, and rugby players“ he partnered with.

Figleaf's Protocols for Polity #3: Never Let Unconsidered Personal Fetishes Drive Broad Social Policy.

Tue, 2010-08-10 16:33

In a lovely evisceration of Ross Douthat’s attempt to defend hetero-only marriage by claiming that men’s “natural” inclination is towards promiscuity and women’s towards hooking up with “high-status” males with the result that polygamy is most “natural”, Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon points out that

Polygamy is a logical outcome of assuming one gender is human and the other is functionally livestock to be collected and sold by the human gender.  Women didn’t invent polygamy in order to make life easier for men and their pockets fatter.  But it is amusing to realize that Douthat thinks that those Mormon polygamists marry off 12-year-old girls to 70-year-old men because this reflects a 12-year-old girl’s innate, biological (Darwinian!) desire to get it on with a wrinkly old misogynist. 

She said it here.

Great Boxes of Uncooked Macaroni! First of all, when conservative Catholics are reduced to citing evolutionary psychology to defend their homophobia they’ve pretty much already lost. (Consider, for instance Anthony McCarthy’s point that even PSI (telepathy, mindreading, UFOs, etc.) is subject to greater methodological rigor than evolutionary psychology! And take it from there!)

But if you’re going to go waddling around claiming there are gene-maximizing strategies for men and women it would be even more logical for women making free choices to have as many children as possible by as many “high status” male partners as possible so that they’d all contribute both socially and materially to her and her offspring’s well beings. (Skeptical? Me too. But see also EP arguments that women are slow to have orgasms because you “evolved” to need multiple consecutive partners to get off. Yeah, really. The math could be plausible, the etiology not so much. But I digress…)

Problem being that, Douthat’s contentions notwithstanding, that functional-livestock thing Amanda mentions means women typically have not been free to make optimal reproductive choices. Unless, I guess, you’re a woman who agrees with Maggie Gallagher and Douthat that obligatory 24/7 D/s relationships are such a great choice that everybody should be forced into one.

When (Group) Marriage Interferes With the Sanctity of... Ordinary Law Enforcement

Tue, 2009-01-13 18:57

Andrea Zanin of Sex Geek asks an excellent question about a Canadian prosecutor’s decision to bring charges against members of a decades-old polygamous sect in a fairly remote part of British Columbia.

So if Oppal and his legal team have determined that sexual assault, forced impregnation, coerced marriage, physical abuse and statutory rape are occurring in Bountiful, why the hell aren’t they prosecuting the perpetrators for those crimes? There’s no need for recourse to a creaky 120-year-old law for those things – they’re blatant instances of everyday routine unquestionable lawbreaking, clear as day.

Read the quote in context here.

One complication would seem to be that there’s actually not much evidence that any of those crimes have been committed (not all polygamous Mormons are of the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints variety.) Complicating that argument is the fact that sort of by-definition isolationist sects tend to be pretty insular and disinclined to cooperate with “outsiders.” No evidence of a crime is not the same thing as no crime.

Zanin says outside observers are concerned that if the case goes to court, subsequent appeals on religious-freedom grounds could result in complete decriminalization of polygamy/polygyny in Canada.

Which wouldn’t be the end of the world, exactly. If no other crimes are committed it’s probably fine for men and women to marry, or not marry, who they choose.

But that’s the other complication, one I’d want to dig into. Because marriage has a tradition of “washing away” an awful lot of crimes. Statutory rape and forced impregnation being two hot buttons, but see also frequently-sanctioned abuse of child-labor law.

Which is why I agree with Zanin that if that’s what the prosecutor says is going on I seriously, seriously wish he’d brought those charges instead.

See also how prostitution magically immunizes customers against charges of statutory rape and pedophilia.

I’m concerned that it’s twittery vs. substance all over again, where sensationalism (ooh, group marriage! Oooh, prostitution) distracts from everyday tragedy.

Update Score one for California! Jill at Feministe points to a man who’s been busted for selling his 14-year-old daughter for sixteen thousand dollars, one hundred cases of beer, and (I love this) several cases of meat. The good news? The man who bought the girl was arrested under California law on suspicion of statutory rape.

Traditional-Biblical Law

Wed, 2008-12-10 18:24

Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos quotes a commenter on a DKos diarist.

[T]his comment by gladkov was particularly excellent. In short, if we are to let the Bible define what “traditional marriage” should look like, then our marriage laws should be amended as such:

A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)

B. Marriage shall not impede a man’s right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)

D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother’s widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)

G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)

Follow the links from here.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Masterfully articulate Biblical conservatives have explained over and over how nothing in the Bible counts (the Sermon on the Mount doesn’t count, for instance, and certainly nothing in the sermon at the Last Supper, the Golden Rule, or Matthew 25:40) except the teensy fragments they say counts.

Lucky for them.

On the Proposition of Marriage

Tue, 2008-11-11 14:51

Tony Infanti of Feminist Law Professors, quoting a Utah-based lesbian and gay rights group, points to a sliver of possible upside to the recent passage of California’s anti-marriage Proposition 8.

But leaders of the rights group here, Equality Utah, said statements made by Mormon leaders in defense of their actions in California — that the church was not antigay and had no problem with legal protections for gay men and lesbians already on the books in California — were going to be taken as an endorsement to expand legal rights that gay and lesbian couples have never remotely had in Utah, where the church is based.”

Read the rest of the article, and follow the included links, here.

Yeah, it’s always seemed a little funny that opposition to the marriage of “Adam and Steve” would come from anyone so recently persecuted for the marriage of “Adam and Eve and Genevieve.”

(Note: One can condemn the exploitative manifestations of multiple marriage of, say, the Warren Jeffs schism of the FLDS while tolerating at least the theory of non-exploitative marriages of more than one husband or wife.)

Another Overlooked Form of Sex-Trafficking That's Labor Trafficking As Well

Sun, 2008-06-08 18:30


Photo by Flickr user slopjop. Used under a Creative Commons license.

International Center for Research on Women says

There are 51 million child brides worldwide. Over the next decade, this number is expected to rise to 100 million. Child brides lack even the most fundamental human rights, and they remain largely invisible to development efforts. By combating child marriage, we will increase the effectiveness of U.S. humanitarian assistance as well as give millions of girls a better chance to stay in school and live out their own dreams.

Please take a moment to watch this 6-minute video on child marriage, with arresting images from award-winning photojournalist Stephanie Sinclair that depict the lives of girls in Afghanistan, Ethiopia and Nepal who marry as children.

Watch the video [It’s on YouTube but embedding is disabled

Read the quote in context here.

And please don’t get the idea that stuff only happens in the corners of Asia or Africa, it happens in charming pockets of the United States as well. A friend pointed out two barely pubescent “sister-wife” children not in an enclave miles from anywhere else on the Himalayan plateau but in a forlorn K-Mart/Walmart knockoff on the Colorado Plateau not too many miles from the Grand Canyon or Mesa Verde. More were found in El Dorado, Texas. And don’t even get the idea it’s only common among radical Mormons. Others can allegedly be found in communities familiar and unfamiliar throughout the U.S. and Canada.

Child marriage is an especially pernicious form of trafficking because it so often combines all three of the worst forms of trafficking: coerced domestic, agricultural, or industrial labor on behalf of the husband’s family, sex for exchange value (where the value accrues not to the victim but in the form of clout, as in the FLDS, her family or her husband’s in the form of a dowry), and of course for plain old exploitation of a child by (almost always) the adults who negotiate their own terms rather than on behalf of the child.

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