porn for women

The Two Rules of Desire and the Disparate Treatment of Men and "Lesbian" Porn for vs Women and M/M Slash

Sun, 2011-07-03 14:53

Note: Still in Greece -- leaving Athens in the morning for Delphi. Athens is supposed to be a dump, and in a lot of ways it is, but it's just an awesome, friendly, amazingly diverse town. With amazing cafe culture and just all-round street life. In a random alley somewhere off Monasteraki square I ran across what's either a genuine Banksy graffiti or else a rather awesome wannabe.

So a new-to-me Dreamwidth blogger, Mcavity Kitsune did me a big favor by invoking my bogus Two Rules of Desire to explain why it's considered a total no-brainer that any number of men would be interested in lesbian porn whereas women's comparable interest in m/m slash porn is subject to all manner of fanciful critiques.

And to help drive home the point, in comments Ranuel added

I was at a panel at a con when a guy in the audience actually said something along the lines of "Men enjoy f/f porn but women don't read m/m" and every slasher in the room looked at him like he was the village idiot and there were assorted snickers and snorts and various voices raised to correct him.

Apparently to some men the merest possibility has never had the vaguest idea of crossing their minds even if they are way old enough to have been in fandom long enough to know better.

Source: Comment on McavityKitsune

Rule #1, of course, says it's inconceivable that women should ever express sexual desire (by, oh, say, reading or writing, let alone masturbating to intensely, intimately sexual erotica.) Rule #2 says it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone (even, you know, heterosexual women) would ever have sexual desire for a man, let alone two men, let alone two men doing sexual things to each other. (Side B of Rule #2, of course, being that it's also intolerable for men to be sexually desired, and thus doubly intolerable to hint that two men would ever desire each other.)

I hadn't really considered the "lesbian" vs. m/m connection, mostly because slash doesn't resonate for me, but it totally fits. I love it when my little contribution to Murpy's Law takes on a life of its own. So big tip of the hat to Mcavitykitsune!

Note to Rep. Weiner: How to Improve the Odds of Being Appreciated by Women and Ignored by Brietbart

Tue, 2011-06-07 08:59

Note: The enclosed erotic male image is considered perfectly "safe for work" since it only shows body parts that straight men don't realize are sexy.  All links, however, lead to other NSFW posts.

Note to Rep. Weiner and... pretty much every other man who thinks it's the height of creativity to snap a pixie of their peepee and call it erotic, here's how you do it.

Australian sex-blogger and frequent erotic self-photographer GeekyVamp reposts another woman sex-blogger, Musingsandmischief's repost of a male self-photographer, Isinpi's photo.

Photo by Tumblr user Isinpi. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Photo by Tumblr user Isinpi.

Oh wow, mr Isinpi,

this pic deserves to be reblogged the shit out of. Well played sir, well played…

musingsandmischief:

Beautiful picture, no wonder I keep seeing reblogs with you getting tumblr ladies weak at the knees.

isinpi:

I can’t decide which one, so fuck it I’ll post two. Hands, clavicle, lips, and scruff in one photo.

Source: There May Be Tits There May Be Banter

It's not that women don't think penises are sexy.  Or that penis bulges veiled behind athlete-gray underpants are sexy.  A surprising number do.  But what seems to be an even more surprising number of women prefer a bit more context -- as, in fact, would most men if they too were regularly innundated with random unsolicited closeups of solicitous women's vulvas.  Once context is established (and believe it or not, intentionally visiting a porn site establishes some kind of context) then one has a great deal more latitude.

But for out of the blue imagery?  Even when you want to preserve your anonymity?  Well.  If you follow the link to his Tumblr post and check out who's already followed and/or liked the photo you'll find that as of this morning (the photo was posted this morning) fifteen women (and no men) have indicated their approval and several, like GV and MAM have reposted it to their own erotic-photography blogs.

Hint, maybe?  Clue perhaps?

The funniest thing?  I could be mistaken but I'm guessing that Rep. Weiner could post and tweet photos like this all day long and the likes of Andrew Brietbart would never register it.  Or if they did they wouldn't register it as anything but some kind of artsy-fartsy east-coast liberal noodlings.  Because, you see, it wouldn't be porn for men.

Now I don't happen to think there's anything wrong with porn for men per se. And of course there are plenty of women who are downright cheerful about consuming it (and of course men who aren't.)  But that's not the point.

The point is, it seems to me, that if you're interested in women, and if you're going to go around sending random, unsolicited photos of yourself to women, then maybe you should take, oh, five or ten minutes to find out what women find most eye-catching about men.  And try sending that instead.

Especially if you're going to send them via Twitter.  Because, you see, while in the ancient history that was the world before Twitter (i.e. July, 2006) and before Tumblr (i.e. 2007) it was quite a bit harder to find out what sort of erotic images of heterosexual men women preferred.  But nowadays?  If you were interested you could find out pretty quickly.  But you would have to be interested.

Update: While watering the planter boxes just now it occurred to me that I might sound like I'm claiming I know this photo but not that one will work as "porn for women."  I'm just saying that if you want to know what works, look at what women are saying works!  Same's true, obviously, about all manner of other kinds of decisions, sex-related or not, about what works for all kinds of people.  Even when you think you know what should work for other people.

Also, this post obviously isn't supposed to be an enlightening tract on how people, in Congress, in power, or otherwise, should and should not impose themselves sexually on those who have not indicated it would be appreciated. 

The Egregious "Porn for Women" Meme: I think It Depends on How He's Folding the Laundry or Making the Bed

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:52

Jill Filipovic says

In the aftermath of the Anthony Weiner weiner-scandal, the Washington Post asks women what kind of sexts (as they kids say) they’d appreciate receiving. Women ™ say:

“I would like a photo of a made bed,” says Kathryn Roberts, who works at a law firm in Washington. “I would take rose petals, but I want them on top of a made bed.” And not that fake kind of made, either, where the comforter is smooth but the sheets are a jumbled mess.

“Or laundry,” adds her friend Andrea Neurohr.

“Folded laundry,” elaborates Roberts. “Maybe in a wicker basket.”

Get it? Cleaning is so important to women it’s basically pornography! Haha oh women, with their clean laundry and their distaste for sexual pleasure and the male body.

Source: Feministe

Back when I was posting a lot of nude and/or erotic self-photography I went ahead and tested the hypothesis that women would rather see men folding laundry or making beds.  The results were positive but most of my non-domestic photo series were considerably more popular.

At any rate, based on my past experience I think whether photos of men folding laundry or making beds can be sexy has a lot more to do with the men and a lot less to do with the laundry.*

See the "Half-Nekkid Thursday" version of this post, with less safe-for-work examples,here.

* Note: if you're going to put rose petals on a bed there's a good chance you're going to have to use bleach to get the stains out.  Or else, I guess, use rose-colored sheets.

The Egregious "Porn for Women" Meme: I think It Depends on How He's Folding the Laundry or Making the Bed

Thu, 2011-06-02 19:33

Jill Filipovic says

In the aftermath of the Anthony Weiner weiner-scandal, the Washington Post asks women what kind of sexts (as they kids say) they’d appreciate receiving. Women ™ say:

“I would like a photo of a made bed,” says Kathryn Roberts, who works at a law firm in Washington. “I would take rose petals, but I want them on top of a made bed.” And not that fake kind of made, either, where the comforter is smooth but the sheets are a jumbled mess.

“Or laundry,” adds her friend Andrea Neurohr.

“Folded laundry,” elaborates Roberts. “Maybe in a wicker basket.”

Get it? Cleaning is so important to women it’s basically pornography! Haha oh women, with their clean laundry and their distaste for sexual pleasure and the male body.

Source: Feministe

Back when I was posting a lot of nude and/or erotic self-photography I went ahead and tested the hypothesis that women would rather see men folding laundry or making beds.  The results were positive but most of my non-domestic photo series were considerably more popular.

At any rate, based on my past experience I think whether photos of men folding laundry or making beds can be sexy has a lot more to do with the men and a lot less to do with the laundry.*

Photo by figleaf.
Photo by figleaf.

Photo by figleaf.
Photo by figleaf.
All photos by figleaf (hey that's me!) Posted with a Creative Commons license. .

Happy HNT (or Half-nekkid Thursday!)

* Note: if you're going to put rose petals on a bed there's a good chance you're going to have to use bleach to get the stains out.  Or else, I guess, use rose-colored sheets.

HNT - Before Cleaning the Shower

According to the bogus Two Rules of Desire and “Porn for Women” book series the only thing women are supposed to find sexy about these photos of a naked heterosexual man is the fact that he intended to clean the bathroom after he took his shower.

And while to be fair it really needed after the morning’s usual, hectic 7:30 AM off-to-school-and-work rush, I’m pretty sure there’s more to it than that.

Actually it still might not be all that sexy. It’s is a giant pain trying to pose naturally that early while wrangling a camera, trying to stay anonymous while getting good camera angles, and trying to keep it no more than R-rated. And I think it shows.

Happy HNT (or Half-nekkid Thursday!)




More like this here.

Briefly in NYC Playing Tourist

Wed, 2010-06-09 20:26

Don’t ask how I got here, or why, but I’m in New York tomorrow (Thursday) and early Friday. I arrived in time to catch the last hour of NYC Feministing Happy Hour, sponsored by the bloggers at Feministing and ParadigmShift NYC (their motto: “Use the F word.”)

As usual I was too shy to introduce myself to anyone I hadn’t met before (if there’s anything more useless than being a shy extrovert) but then someone else, another newcomer, introduced herself just as I was about to leave. We talked for a few minutes and then I saw Rachel Kramer Bussel (who for some reason I keep running into all over the country) and suddenly had two people I could introduce. :-) And suddenly, ice broken, we had a nice conversation about erotica for women.

Rachel’s got a new book out, and I mean literally just out — she’d just gotten copies herself, called Fast Girls: Erotica for Women. I didn’t take a copy, though she generously offered me one, because I seriously don’t know when I’d have time to read it. But it looked pretty good.

It was good to talk with her about that — she felt a little singled out last year by Mathilde Madden and Kristina Lloyd in their issue-advocacy blog Erotica Cover Watch. Madden and Lloyd were forcefully advocating for what they called “man candy” on the covers of books and magazines when their content is written by and for heterosexual women. The tendency in the publishing industry, even for highly-progressive women-owned, women-focused publishers, is to put women on the covers. Rachel is generally sympathetic to the sentiment but said that when she’d brought it up in the past publishers told her that in genre-branding terms consumers assume men on the cover signal that the content is written for gay men while women on the cover signal more general-purpose porn… which incidentally may contain gay-male content. Rachel, who’s pretty pragmatic about it (and points out that authors and editors rarely get more than “no, not that one” veto power over covers anyway) while Madden and Lloyd were specifically trying to rock that boat.

Anyway it was pretty clear that whether that was the intention or not she felt like she was being attacked and not just her ideas. I personally happen to believe, strongly, that Madden, Lloyd, and others are right that that boat needs to be rocked I think it’s also important to remember that the people on the receiving end exist as, well, people as well as online personas. That doesn’t necessarily mean we should back off when we feel strongly that someone else is mistaken. It does mean, though, that our posts often have more impact than we imagine.

For the record, Rachel’s new book does have the genre brand of a woman on the front cover. What struck me, though, is there’s another picture of the same woman on the back and in that one she’s making direct, intelligent, and confidingly confident eye contact with the reader. Which, if publishers are going to insist on their genre cliché‘s might be a nice way to “brand’ the sub-genre of erotica for women. Assuming their faces are shown at all — not a safe assumption in the first place — women on the covers of most general-purpose erotica are generally shown looking inward or away.

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Oh, and because I stayed to talk instead of shyly going home early I was there for a raffle drawing. And I won a gift certificate for my choice of writing and ethical-leadership workshops from the Woodhull Institute! Which looks cool but also looks like they’re all set in New York (one’s in San Francisco) so if you’re interested and in or near New York and you’d like a $100 discount to one of the workshops drop me a line and I’ll mail you the certificate.

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Shyness notwithstanding I had a great time. Maybe next time I’ll introduce myself to someone else first. :-)

Significant Problem at Naked Men / Happy Women Blog

Tue, 2010-04-20 18:25

Note: All links in this post have NSFW content.

So via a @filamentmag tweet I found the website Naked Men, Happy Women, by essiegabi. But she’s got a significant problem.

Since I’ve long been irked by the dearth of representations of men in visual erotica that aren’t by or for other men (either as objects of desire for gay men, or as proxies or foils for hetero men) her About Page is near and dear to my heart.

Nowadays images of naked women are commonly shown everywhere; in advertisements, commercials, games and movies, art, on billboards and on TV. A naked female body is pleasant to look at, so no complaints here. But something is missing, isn’t there?

Have you, like me, been wondering why there is so little male nudity in every day life for us hetero sexual women to enjoy? Do you agree it is unfair to say the least, and do you want to see more? Then this blog is the perfect blog for you. Naked men, happy women, aka NMHW, is created to discuss various related topics with you, to post examples of how things could/should be, and to find ways to change the current situation to our advantage. It is about time men catch up with us when it comes to showing their goodies, and even more for us women to tell them what we want.

She said it here.

But she’s got a significant problem.

The images she captures really aren’t what you see in male-oriented porn. Including so-called “Clothed Female, Naked Men” or CFNM fetish sites that are… also generally considered male-oriented. One thing that stands out, or maybe doesn’t, is that when penises are shown they’re almost never erect. Another is that the men might be erotically posed but not erotically poised — they look neither dominantly nor submissively ready, and they don’t look sexually needy. Instead the photos essiegabi selects are relaxed men with clear potential to be sexual. Oh yeah, and while the men are generally under age 40 (and mostly under 30) and none seem overweight, neither are they all athletically or militarily buff. In other words they tend to look the way a lot of women say they like to see men, as opposed to what men seem to think women like… or as opposed to how men expect other men to look.

I like the site quite a lot, and if you’re turned on by heterosexual men you may like it even more. But there’s a significant problem. Essiegabie explains the problem

Oh no, it is Tuesday already. Where is our new hottie?!
I have to admit it: I am running out of stock…
After hours of surfing the net and almost giving up hope, I finally found this image.

She said it here.

If she wanted images of eroticized women she could find them anywhere up to and including the covers of Sukudo puzzle books. If she wanted images of men in stylized porn-for-men situations she’d have to look a little further than the nearest grocery store aisle but such images are still abundant on magazine racks and online…

But if she wants to find images that work for her she’s evidently got to work really hard. Considering that there may be literally (not figuratively) millions of porn sites out there, with anywhere from tens to hundreds of million images, and considering that you can almost play “Pornsite Bingo” by Googling a completely random words and the word “porn” and find someone who’s already made a fetish site for it with surprising regularity, it’s a real surprise she’d have any trouble at all…

And yet…

It appears to be a significant problem.

Tao of Geek Tackles Rule of Desire #1

Tue, 2010-03-16 15:12

Terri of Geek Feminism Blog says

You’re probably all familiar with the inverse law of fantasy armour for women: the less the armour covers, the more it somehow miraculously protects. Liz Walsh writes and draws the entertaining web comic Tao of Geek and I quite enjoyed her story about Naomi campaigning not for sensible armour for women, but in equal cheesecake for her male barbarian character.

The story starts here and if you don’t have a whole lot of time, you should at least check out the final punchline here.

Read the quote in context here.

Two good ones from the middle of the series (click to see them full-size at Tao of Geek.)

Tao of Geek Copyright © 2002-2010 Liz Walsh

Tao of Geek Copyright © 2002-2010 Liz Walsh

Further on in the series Walsh makes not one but two points in dialogue. A couple of passers by say “We don’t want female characters covered up” and “We like looking at pretty women” and Walsh’s character Naomi replies “No one’s saying you don’t! I don’t want to cover up women, I want to have sexy armor for all.” To which the uncomprehending passers-by repeat “We like looking at pretty women.”

Oh, and extra credit for the slash-fic reference here. (Note: Hmm… I wonder if slash fiction, which can be barkingly pornographic, continually flies under the bogus Rules of Desire is because even though both authors and readers are overwhelmingly female nearly all the the sex in slash fiction is between male characters.)

Filament Magazine Review -- Arousing for Straight Women, Inspiring for Their Partners

Tue, 2009-08-18 19:19


Photo by Ara Maye McBay from Filamentmagazine.com

I mentioned last week that I’d ordered a copy of the first issue of Filament Magazine because their regular printers had found interesting excuses for refusing to print their second issue.

Filament, in case you’ve missed their booming word-of-mouth campaign, bills itself as a non-fashion magazine for straight women that features erotic photos of men that are also for straight women.

The articles are great. They’re more like something you’d read in Ms. or Utne Reader than something specifically designed the way Slate’s Double-X or Gawker’s Jezebel are to capture advertising for the “women’s market.” (I spotted only two ads — one for an online sports-bra retailer, another for vision-protecting vitamins.)

The photos are pretty cool too and that’s a surprise for me. I’m usually pretty neutral about men’s bodies but also often a bit squicked by the way men are presented in porn meant for men. I don’t identify with the men in gay porn, and I really don’t identify with the contortions men in straight porn are put through in order to preserve lines of sight to their partner’s bodies.

The photos in Filament are kind of eye-opening even though or maybe because they’re not for me! I look at them and don’t think “where would I fit in” the way men are sort of meant to in for-men porn. Instead I keep thinking is that how a partner would like to see me? or did I look like that when I was 20? Also (blush!) I kept thinking what would I do but what would a partner want to do to me! Or want me to do to her! A feeling I really don’t get from porn for men because, at least for me, porn for men is about knowing exactly what I’d like to do next.

There’s also a cool sense of drama in some of them — not so much scenarios or the fabled “plot lines” as visual and atmospheric context that goes beyond “m’kay, here’s what the model looks like with out a top; here’s what the model looks like in undies; here’s what the model looks like lying on a bed; here’s what the model looks like giving/getting/watching this or that sex act” you see more of in industrial porn for men.

Point being that I enjoyed reading the articles I was inspired by the photography.

Bottom line? It’s the sort of magazine I’d enjoy reading in bed. With a partner. Not so much one-handed reading as three-handed. :-)

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