premature ejaculation

What if it Wasn't "She Comes First,' or "He Comes First," But Who Comes First?

Tue, 2011-07-26 07:51

In comments to Noah Brand's marvelous NSWATM post questioning all assumptions about the transactional model of heterosexual sex, Kaija pointed out that rather than some kind of hypothetical genetic pickiness about who might fertilize her eggs women report two much more prosaic reasons why they tend to avoid "casual sex." The first is concern for personal safety, the other is...

"[T]he assumption of a lower probability of sexual pleasure from casual sex. I suspect that casual sex is much more appealing if you’re pretty sure it’s going to get you off (if you’re horny and looking to hook up in the short term and not looking for Twoo Lurve Everlasting). If there’s a high probability that the hookup is going to result in a woman getting all hot and bothered and then…end of encounter, the female equivalent of “blue balls” (all that blood pressure in the female tissues can be uncomfortable too as well as the psychoological effect of getting 70% of the way up the arousal hill and then stalling), getting yourself off or asking for some assist in getting off…then it just might be too much cost for not much benefit."

She said it here

Ooh, I wonder if this has anything to do with the "women just want to cuddle" and "women need more cuddling after sex" theories. Because I remember reading that over and over in sex manuals from the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, but when I began having sex it seemed so intermittently true that I wondered where the idea came from.

One could be that I'd over-interpreted the message and all they really meant was "women don't want to leap out of bed two seconds after orgasm." Which I've never particularly wanted to do either.

Another could be that sex manuals written in the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s were necessarily written by men (it was almost always men back then) who were born roughly between 1910s (Albert Ellis, William Masters), 1920s (Alex Comfort) and maybe 1935 (David Reubin). If so then they would have grown up in an society that was barely getting over its century-long medical anxiety about male "semen depletion" as the cause of everything from weak eyesight to tuberculosis. In which case, again, the difference they saw really was a lot about still very real male guilt, anxiety, and aversion after sex. And so the admonition for aftercare of one's partner was more about not jumping up or rolling over immediately after sex and pretending it never happened.

Or... maybe as Kaija said it's that anybody who's gotten wound up but doesn't get that orgasm is going to want to continue contact after her or his partner is satisfied... and stops.

The reason I'm inclined to believe it's the last item is that women who've had an orgasm (or enough of them) are often able to shift gears pretty quickly. On the other hand, even as a teenager I often had difficulty having orgasms (it was easy during intercourse but when I was fertile and psychotically distrustful of condoms intercourse was off the table.) And several of my partners have been the woman version of "premature ejaculators" where they've been able to get to orgasm very quickly -- well before intercourse and sometimes before our clothes were off. And as I mentioned just now, once they're done women seem as ready to switch gears as anyone else. Anyway, the result has often been that when a partner has had an orgasm and I haven't then I've been the one who wants to stay "intimate and comforting" after sex.

I like that last explanation quite a lot. First because it fits my experience, and second because it matches a lot of anecdotal and statistical data.

And since "the end of sex" is almost always defined as "male ejaculation, however long that takes" researchers collecting data are likely to overlook or discard cases where he never ejaculates at all.

Meanwhile, since, especially when the old guys were writing their sex manuals the idea that women had orgasms was still somewhere between inconceivable and intolerable, there wasn't a whole lot of effort... or even conscious thought... put into making sure women had their turn after their partners were done.

Anyway, the upshot might be (might be, I'm proposing a hypothesis, not a conclusion) that the idea that women need more cuddling after sex than men might be because at the time women rarely had completion orgasms when or before their partners did. But that in reality anybody left hanging by their partner is going to at least appear more affectionate, smoochy, and "needing intimacy" even if the don't mind that they're not going to come.

Your thoughts?

More Than One Kind of Intercourse: Another Reason Nerds Have More Fun in Bed

Fri, 2010-10-08 13:41

Speaking of sex and statistics, while digging around for evidence that any MRA/Tea-Bagger anywhere was in favor of women faking orgasms (evidently not) I did run across a nice non-tea-baggery quote from a 2004 post at Slate.com by economist Steven E. Landsburg post about (naturally) the economics of faking orgasms. The post isn’t quite as goofy as it sounds… but close. The quotable part comes from a brief aside at the end.

My old friend Steve Zucker (now a math professor at Johns Hopkins) used to say that sex and academic research complement each other nicely, since you can do either one while thinking about the other.

He said it here

Ba-da-da-bump! There are dozens of ways to take that horribly. Particularly the notorious (and not all that successful) advice men get to think about math problems to avoid “premature” ejaculation*. I prefer to think of it as the mark of a genuinely well-integrated, stress-free approach to life.

First of all the idea that ejaculation can be premature depends on quite a few phallocentric, intercourse-centric, passive-partner-centric, and sex-begins-and-ends-with-men’s-arousal assumptions. Also, and this is potentially a total hijack of my own thread, doesn’t an early orgasm just mean there are opportunities for real, relaxed two-way “foreplay?”

And second of all, the whole idea of “all night” sex is a misnomer responsible for a lot of unnecessary… well… stress. Real all-night sex is almost never where you literally hump and bump all night. Speaking only for myself, some of the best all-night sex I’ve ever had included both lovely sex that digressed into conversation about mutual interests and… lovely conversation that digressed into mutually-interested sex.

"Stamina" Pillows? *Stamina?*

Thu, 2009-01-08 18:20

Somebody named Simcha at The Frisky makes with the funny.

Stamina Pillows Stop Men In Their Sacks


Thumbnail image from The Frisky.

Men premature ejaculate because you are just too damn fine! Girl, you know it’s true! Well, that’s the concept behind Durex’s new limited edition Stamina Pillows. Originally given away with their Performa condoms that have a mild anesthetic to prevent dudes from beating you to the finish line, the cases feature some not-so-sexy pictorials—like an old bag lady with pigtails, a pearl necklace, and armpit hair licking her lips. It’s pretty creepy. But there’s also a redheaded guy with cabbage patch bangs sucking on a lollipop and we think he could be Michael K from Dlisted’s soul mate. Hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so, it might not work for everyone! However, we’re willing to try anything if it means we’ll get to party with our pants off for even just a few more minutes.

Read the quote in context here.

What. Ever.

First of all, even though they only seem elderly instead of misshapen or unattractive the people in the photos don’t do much for me either but then I’m not close to them in age. And since I distinctly remember my early teens when my peers and I felt sorry mostly vague dismay for older, “one-foot-in-the-grave” college-aged men and women I suspect the alleged flaws in these pillow photo models are more a matter of the onlooker’s generational perspective (or lack thereof) than of the models themselves. Call that strike one against the pillows.

What also makes it jarring is the effect of even-older-than-usual people striking “sexy” poses and facial expressions derived from… the generally naive flirtations of school children. You’d have to click through to the article to see them but… where exactly did that finger-in-the-mouth or slurping-a-lollipop look get lumped over into sexy? (And everybody laughs at Senator Vitters’ diaper fetish!) Anyway, I’ve noticed in general that actual grown up men and women in their 20s, let alone 40s, let alone older, tend to flirt and express arousal in ways that make sense for their ages and experience. Call that strike two.

Finally, though, I’m also struck by the name, “Stamina Pillows,” and the implications that the solution for premature ejaculation would be presumed psychological dismay of envisioning people one isn’t (yet) old enough to be attracted to. I mean… seriously… what’s the intention here?!?! Never mind intentions, what are the implications?

Here we are, men supposed to be all selfishly, short-sightedly, thinking-with-the-little-head obsessed with our own gratification and… during holy-grail-for-men intercourse we’re… memorizing baseball scores? Reviewing tax tables? Contemplating allegedly non-sexy elders?

Sheesh, and we complain that women think about shopping lists?

Maybe…

Just maybe…

Nahh… communications, creativity, taking turns, and maybe getting over the idea of intercourse as the sexual end-goal couldn’t possibly result in overall more frequent, let alone more frequently enjoyable sex. For all involved.

Couldn’t be.

That would be strike three.

An Opportunity to Talk About What Sex Means

Fri, 2008-12-12 06:28

From kazanit of Voices of American Sexuality (for instance)

From the creators of “Dick in a Box” comes another hit music video: “Jizz in my Pants”. It might not be the most positive approach to premature ejaculation, but at least it gets people talking (or singing) about it.

Read the quote in context here.

So. Funny about men and attitudes about premature ejaculation, especially in the first-encounter/random-hookup contexts presented in the video. . I mean… an orgasm’s an orgasm, right? And “there’s no such thing as bad sex,” right? And men care only about getting their rocks off so… what’s the problem here?

It’s… almost as though… men were interested in… something besides getting their rocks off.

That’s not necessarily a good thing. For instance on the downside it’s pretty clear from the context of the videos that any enjoyment the gentlemen “jizzing in their pants” experienced from their spontaneous orgasms are overcome** by their greater concern about social loss of face. Ok, and the discomfort of sticky pants. But on the upside there’s the implicit acknowledgment that “even” for men sex means more than orgasms. And even though the context of the video implies it’s all about Teh Hookup there’s often a lot of anxiety around sexual prowess standing in for desirability, where desirability is kind of key to the establishment of, you know, relationships. (Again however superficial the video implies the depicted relationships might be.)

If I was running a high-school or college-level sex-ed class I’d use that video not to introduce a section on premature ejaculation (too obvious… and probably a little too triggering for those who chronically experience it) but to begin a discussion of what people want out of sex compared to what we just assume they do.

[** Oh dear, that pun was unintended as well. —fl]

Here's Your Hat and...

Sun, 2008-06-22 14:11


Photo by Flickr user rainspoo. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Yet another thread in the tangled knot of the “no-sex” class paradigm. Back in March of last year, while describing a rendezvous in a hotel that really does charge by the hour, The Ethical Slut said of her partner at the time…

Chuckles being a sweet 26-year-old, he only lasted about 3 minutes. When I told him that maybe he should hold back on cumming, he looked at me strange and said, “Why would I do that?” Ah, children are so cute.

She said it here.

Chuckles evidently somewhat made up in frequency what he made up in duration but still… when you hear about guys who think sex is all about them, or who thinks that sex is just something for guys for women too well, that’s what I’m talking about.

“Why would I do that?” Woof!

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