Harriet Jacobs of Fugitivus again, this time on an extremely prickly subject I’ve discussed previously: the blurred boundary between subsistence and dependency at the real margins of society. In this case the difference between assistance and exploitation or… well… she puts it rather pithily (emphasis mine.)
I had a social worker friend who once described a conversation she’d had with a female client who was trying to get back on her feet. She had met a new guy that she was very excited about. Oh, sure, there were problems, but who doesn’t have problems? Anyway, he was so committed to her, so committed to working out everything. The woman brushed off the few times he’d encouraged her to have sex with his friends as times that they were all just sooooooo drunk, but it totally strengthened their relationship because they’re not even the jealous types. And, of course, there were all the times that she was just trying to “help him out” on a drug deal. And then those times that she had “cheated” when a friend of his came by and locked her in the bedroom. At the end of her description, the social worker had to try and explain that this woman didn’t have a relationship, or a boyfriend: she had a pimp.
You wouldn’t think this kind of denial could happen. It could.
What’s really harsh, by the way, is that since in circumstances like this the pimp “boyfriend” may be trading his partner for favors or status or cargo rather than cash he may not, strictly speaking, recognize that he’s being a pimp either. Although mostly I’m guessing he’s pretty clear about he’s doing he still might not think of it as pimping.
That would be another problem with stereotypes, especially for those living really marginal lives.
As I said in my own post a couple of years ago
speaking for myself, even though I was sometimes sleeping under overpasses, in cars, or “crashing” at other people’s apartments, and even though my diet was so meager I developed nutritional deficiency diseases, it wasn’t until the 1980s that I realized I’d been homeless. And it wasn’t till very recently that I realized the people we thought of at the time as “in some kind of hot water” probably qualified as trafficked or pimped. So I’m guessing the same is true for a lot of people still in those situations. And not because they’re not there but because there’s there’s so much overlap between the aspirations and difficulties of migration/transience, smuggling, and trafficking that sometimes it’s hard to tell even when you’re in it, let alone from the outside.
I said it here: Between Transience and Trafficking, a Personal Perspective
This isn’t by the way even remotely anything like an excuse. It’s a complication in any scheme to legalize prostitution, which I would still like to see. Or to keep it illegal, which many more people would evidently like to see. Which means, at least to me, that no matter how the pro/anti activism turns out this particular issue will probably need to be addressed by separate policy initiatives.
I don’t have much else to say about it. Except maybe that I think it could be distinguished pretty unambiguously in a page, or even a sidebar, in a comprehensive sex-education curriculum. And so if anyone’s listening I’d really like to lobby for its inclusion. Of course it would also be nice if we could count on students receiving comprehensive sex education in the first place…
I’ll just reiterate that I think Jacobs writes powerful stuff.
Incidentally she closes her post this way…
it’s impossible to ignore rape culture when it calls and makes an appointment, in a whisper and obviously hiding in a closet. When it arrives late on the bus, alone and lost. When it walks in the front door, comes over to your desk, and whispers on the verge of tears, “I need, um, I need, I need the thing.” It’s hard to ignore when it’s curled up in your lobby, unresponsive and unwilling to come back, to interact with you or any representative of the world. It’s hard to ignore when it’s made manifest in a real live girl, a real live girl who has been stripped of the right to disallow strangers access to everything from the waist down. I am acutely aware that many of these girls have been violated, and that I constitute a further violation; my presence announces to them that not only are they not allowed to choose when and with whom they have sex, but they are not allowed to choose how to deal with the consequences of being abused. All I did was pass a job interview, and I am temporarily LordGodKing of her uterus. All she did was own the uterus; why should she get to decide what to do with it? It’s not like she can type up the paperwork. She doesn’t even have a desk.
Powerful stuff.
Another point that can be extracted from Hugo Schwyzer’s post about the research into men who hire prostitutes...
It’s not hard to see that this belief — part of what I refer to as the myth of male weakness — serves a particularly important self-justifying function. “I need to have sex with prostitutes”, the line goes, “or I might rape.”
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They want the myth of male weakness to work because it serves their agenda; they know that in their own lives, the myth is oversold. This is cynical, yes, but devastatingly effective.
It wouldn’t hurt to ask if the same accusations could be made of the socially-conservative philosophy of some of at least some of the researchers behind the original project (pdf).
Because on the one hand, yes, if it’s very helpful to assume all men are potential rapists if one is asserting that all prostitutes are conscripted.
But!
On the other hand, recalling the major point of Hugo’s post, sticking with that dichotomy handily enables men who excuse themselves hiring prostitutes in those terms!
And even though I’ve run out of hands an even more important consideration is that the dichotomy alienates at least two groups that could be really, really useful allies in confronting abuse in prostitution: men in general for one, and the subset of prostitutes (however large or small) who either aren’t or who don’t perceive themselves as coerced.
Hugo Schwyzer, expanding on my post about Julie Bindel’s research into customers of prostitutes says (emphasis his)
Many women who are uncomfortable with their male partners’ porn use (or visits to strip clubs, etc.) tell themselves (and concerned friends) that they’re grateful that their guys “don’t do anything worse.” Perhaps there are some who genuinely believe what the men in the Guardian study claim to believe: that prostitution provides a necessary sexual outlet for fellas whose supposedly insatiable needs cannot be met in any other way. This is the soft bigotry of low expectations writ large, with the twist that the most painful consequences affect those who hold these assumptions — rather than those about whom the expectations are held.
It’s worth noting that the two men quoted in the Bindel piece use the second and third person to describe what “you” or “a desperate man” might do. Perhaps this is a way of claiming cover under the myth of male weakness without risking the sobriquet of a potential rapist. On the other hand, perhaps these lads don’t use the first person because in their hearts, they know it isn’t true.
And of course it isn’t true! As Hugo nicely puts it, lust is not a catalyst for rape although anger is.*
And as Hugo points out, there’s a benefit (an unfortunately patriarchal one, incidentally) to men when they exploit the social expectation that we’re uncontrollable animals who’d drink out of toilets if the water didn’t get up their noses and who’d lick their butts if they could only reach them, and who’d have sex with thing that moved. (Or, more precisely anything that can’t move fast enough!)
The social downsides for men, however, are disproportionately large.
Anyway, Hugo closes with an interesting sentence that I’d like to riff on briefly.
Until we dismantle the narrative of uncontrollable male sexual desire we cannot build a just and safe world for all.
I’m going to go all radical and say the problem isn’t the narrative of uncontrollable male sexual desire. It’s the narrative of men’s sexual desire period! Because there is no narrative of men’s sexual desire that’s anything other than “uncontrollable.” Just as there’s no narrative of women’s sexual desire as anything but a) non-existent, b) broken, damaged, “wild,” or “crazy.” Oh, or c) displaced into desire for “closeness” or “procreation.”
In other words the narrative of men’s and women’s sexuality is almost nonexistent outside the dominant paradigm of men as the obligate and reflexive “sex class” and women as the disinterested and unmotivated no-sex class.
I agree absolutely with Hugo that until we subvert that dominant paradigm we can’t begin to build a just and safe world for all.
* Assertion of privilege would be another big catalyst that I’d argue is distinct from anger.)
Julie Bindel, writing in The Guardian has a number of interesting points about a research project she participated in by interviewing men who volunteered and/or otherwise agreed to discuss being customers of prostitutes.
The most interesting point in her article, by far?
One of the most interesting findings was that many believed men would “need” to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand. One told me, “Sometimes you might rape someone: you can go to a prostitute instead.” Another put it like this: “A desperate man who wants sex so bad, he needs sex to be relieved. He might rape.” I concluded from this that it’s not feminists such as Andrea Dworkin and myself who are responsible for the idea that all men are potential rapists – it’s sometimes men themselves.
One really, seriously cool thing about Bindel’s article? She links to an ungated copy of the research report(pdf)! That’s very cool.
One reason it’s cool is that if you read the report you can see stuff like, oh, say, who the co-authors and sponsors of the study were. And one of whom was the not always exactly correct activist Catharine A. MacKinnon. Which lets you know to pick up a grain of salt while reading.
Skepticism notwithstanding, while there’s a distinct possibility that the quotes were cherry-picked there’s no reason on earth to doubt they found men who actually said those things.
Not least because it’s close to conventional wisdom: lots, and lots, and lots of people believe men are such borderline-criminal, verging-on-rapist, impulse-control-of-a-three-year-old-child animals.
Oddly, as Bindel points out, a demoralizing number of men believe it.
Lest one leap to accuse contemporary feminists for spreading that belief I’ll just point out the idea substantially predates contemporary feminism, which only really cropped up in the late 1960s. Whereas the idea that prostitution prevents rape was already current in the 1360!
Anyway, Bindel’s quotes nicely illustrate that whatever minor problems feminism might have with men it’s usually nothing compared to the abiding misandry of non-feminists and anti-feminists.
(Clue: Of course most men are actually perfectly capable of controlling their urges. Hello! Masturbation?)
When someone refers to a sex-workers customer as someone who “uses prostitutes” it implies a certain instrumental relationship towards the sex worker. One that, frankly, makes me at least a little uncomfortable.
Question: How do the same people who speak disapprovingly of the “use” of prostitutes speak about their own employment of…
and, especially,
Because, just in general, I’ve noticed that proper-minded people rarely speak of “using” doctors to check an unexplained cough, mole, or lump. Nor do you hear people speak of “using a plumber” to replace a broken toilet or leaky faucet. Nor do they talk about “using” a massage therapist when they need a kink in their back worked out.
Oddly you often will hear the same people say that they “use” a housecleaner, gardener, or pool-boy to keep their home in order.
I’m sure it’s just a quirk, sort of like the business in gendered languages like French or German where I’m perpetually assured it’s agreed it doesn’t mean anything.
I dunno. I was walking home from the grocery store thinking about this article in The Guardian about “why men use prostitutes.”
It’s a creepy article, mostly because of the alternately dreadful, desperate, self-deluding, and alienating things the customers say about what they know and how they feel about the (mostly) women they hire.
But it’s also creepy because of that “use prostitutes” thing the author and many of her compatriots do.
It’s an interesting article, and that’s just a minor quibble. But… I dunno. I mostly don’t like it when people talk about themselves or other people “using” people when they really mean they hire them to perform services. If the people themselves say “well yes, I use prostitutes” that’s one thing.
Update: Eh, maybe not so random usage. The report’s authors also uses phrases like “... had bought women in prostitution in the year before being interviewed.” With the extravagantly patriarchal implications that merely by hiring someone to do something sexual you’re buying an entire human being. Not a good thing.
Sungold of Kittywampus says almost all that needs to be said about certain monomaniacal definitions of “trafficking.”
Nor do I want to see trafficked domestic workers (for instance) completely ignored because there’s nothing sexy about their enslavement. (As if forced prostitution might be sexy??!!?)
She’s referencing a bill in the Ohio legislature, introduced by Rep. Teresa Fedor and endorsed by the Polaris Project that defines human trafficking a stand-alone crime that shocking, I know “include[s] a broader definition that covers forced labor in addition to coerced sexual activity.”
Which is pretty cool.
Also cool is Sungold’s thoughtful distinctions about who is and who isn’t a victim in sex work and how our (too-often willful) misunderstanding complicates the lives of all manner of vulnerable subsistence and migrant populations.
Also, happy 2nd blog anniversary to Sungold.
Wow, the twittersphere was just all aflutter about some college student asking the President if he’d considered legalizing prostitution and/or drugs as a way to stimulate the economy. That was, what, three days ago and it’s still getting retweeted.
Anyway, I thought Matthew Yglesias put the reaction nicely in perspective (emphasis mine.)
I think it’s obvious you can’t end the recession by legalizing prostitution and drugs. But at the same time, it should also be obvious that there are real economic costs associated with the prohibition of these activities and politicians ought to actually justify asking people to bare those costs. This is particularly pressing because the laws in question are so selectively enforced. Elliot Spitzer had his political career derailed by prostitution, but he’s not in jail. Does Obama think the world would be a better place if Spitzer were serving hard time? What about Senator David Vitter, Republican of Louisiana? For that matter, does Obama think the world would be a better place if he’d been caught using drugs back in the day and sent to jail?
Presumably not. But to have laws on the books that the national elite fully intends never to apply to themselves or their families is ridiculous. I don’t want to see hookers and blow available for sale at the corner store, but there’s enormous scope for the reform of our policy in this area.
That’s a classic example of what I called (beginning in the days before Twitter) a twits vs substance problem. It’s not that drugs or prostitution is right or wrong (you can still be a twit about something that’s completely legal… see Britney Spears 24-hour marriage, for instance.) It’s that generally speaking the tut-tutting is done by people who don’t think the item in question is all that serious on the nominal behalf of… other people who also don’t take it terribly seriously in their own lives.
It’s like what Paul Graham says in Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age about swearing: grownups swear around each other but pretend not to in front of children; meanwhile children swear around each other but pretend not to in front of adults.
Speaking for myself I don’t think it would be a good thing if Barack Obama had gone to jail for smoking marijuana or whatever when he was a young man. I don’t even think it would be a good thing if Sen. Vitter was jailed for paying sex workers to make him wear diapers. (I don’t think he should be a United States Senator, at all, but that’s not why.)
Meanwhile, though, as Yglesias says, the race to publicly pretend to be maximally concerned makes it very difficult to be meaningfully concerned, which in turn makes it very difficult to enact and enforce meaningful policies.
The author of Ask a Manager answers an unfamiliar question with grace and aplomb
[Question] “My co-worker is a very open person and tells me to cover for her every time she has to leave the office. Our boss and manager are not here half the time so when they are not, my co-worker leaves either early and/or takes a really long lunch. At the beginning, the excuse for leaving early was because of a date. But she later told me that she’s actually sleeping with people for money. She comes back all proud, telling me how much money she made in an hour.”
[Answer] I’d just be straightforward with her and tell her: “I don’t care what you do in your personal life, but while you’re off making money, you’re leaving me to pick up the slack here. You’re putting me in a bad position, because you’re asking me to cover for you and you’re leaving me with more work.”
The comment threads are pretty interesting too, some judgmental, some libertarian, some addressing it as a law and order question, others as a straight-up work problem.
A woman from New Zealand takes a similar approach to the Manager
Here in New Zealand it’s not an illegal activity and I would deal with it as suggested above. However if it was an illegal activity, say dealing drugs, then I would be informing management immediately.
The last comment at the moment (dated Nov. 30th) is from the author of the original question clarifying some of the assumptions in comments.
Well I wrote this email in an effort to guide me in the right direction, but really it is easier said than done. I totally agree that prostitution is illegal and she shouldn’t be doing that, but in reality it is a victimless crime. I can not call the cops on her because I just don’t have the heart to do that.
She is really a very good person and is an excellent mother. Most of the people who post comments here assume that since she is selling her body she must be a bad mother. She is not giving that example to her kids. For her kids she works only in the office. Her kids are her priority. Although, I do not agree with her spending habits she provides the best she can for her kids.
Kind of takes away some of the cartoonish shorthand in standard debates about sex work. She’s clearly not “trafficked,” and it would be very difficult to construct her as a victim, a thrall, or dehumanized. But she’s leaving her day-job co-workers holding the bag and pulling her freight plus abusing her responsibilities to her employer.
And yet more evidence that single, blanket characterizations of sex workers, or single, blanket policies for dealing with sex work, would be inadequate to its complexity.
Another way to look at Levitt and Dubner on prostitution in their clunky sequel to Freakonomics: when you’re totally mired in the bogus First Rule of Desire in particular and the dominant “no-sex” class paradigm in general you’re going to miss the most important piece of information in your hard research (pdf) on prostitution in general and your latest column in particular: prostitution is becoming a niche activity.
A decline in the prostitution market to 20% of it’s 19th- and early-to-mid 20th-Century levels, and a shift in requested prostitution services from historic mainstream acts (PIV intercourse in particular but also oral) to relatively marginal higher-risk and fetish/kink activities is not “more of the same.” It’s not “market segmentation.” It’s not “value-added” or “working smarter, not harder.”
The story in Levitt and Dubner’s column about the woman who flies to Texas to do “erotic” things to a guy with his briefcase is emblematic not of advances in prostitution. (I’ll give you a nickel if I can’t find an example of similar fetish-serving sex work any time between, say, 1809 and 1959.) It’s emblematic of all that’s left! (And not to put too fine a point on it, but if the gentleman in question joined one of the kinky-centric equivalents to Match.com he’d almost certainly find someone closer with sharable interests.)
And where did all that demand for prostitution go?
Well, an important part of it has come from not so much the sexual revolution as the feminist revolution: as women have gained in social, economic, and political stature and as they’ve gained access to reproductive health choices the significance of their sexual choices has diminished, given them a lot more (if still not enough) room to not only say no and mean it but also to say yes. Funny, as Echidne hints, what not having to worry about being stoned to death (most places) can do for one’s libido.
Something else that’s happened since prostitution’s “heyday” in the 19th and early 20th centuries is that masturbation is no longer considered some kind of death sentence either literally in the criminal sense, morally in the philosophical or religious sense, or medically in the erstwhile-mainstream-quackery sense. Funny how we see that big drop off in demand for commercial intercourse when sex for men — with others or by yourself — is no longer a sin, a crime, or a cause of tuberculosis, insanity, or cancer. (Or, my favorite, as bad for the health as losing a pint of blood… each time.)
So yeah, we still see a lot of prostitution where the acts in question are non-routine acts, and we still see prostitution in areas where masturbation is more stigmatized. But in general while we do still see it we’re seeing it more as a niche market than a major activity.
Levitt and Dubner… completely miss all this in their analysis in part.
\* Or, more precisely, based on Levitt’s original research with Sudhir Venkatesh, the bottom falls out of the market for core, non-risky, non-fetish prostitution but that’s largely beside the point: the market for those kink/fetish activities will continue to shrink as well as those activities become more popular in mainstream partnerships.
KJ of ImmigrationProf Blog says
The University of Pennsylvania Law Review will hold a conference on “Trafficking in Sex and Labor: Domestic and International Responses November” on November 13-14, 2009 at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, Philadelphia, PA. Human trafficking is currently a major global concern. Rates of trafficking, slavery, and involuntary servitude continue to increase, and the global economic crisis is expected to worsen the problem while frustrating efforts at prevention, prosecution, and remediation. Trafficking also touches upon a broad array of domestic and international legal issues, from policies on immigration and prostitution to gender equality and the problem of violence against women. The issue is currently under active debate in Congress and is likely to receive renewed focus with the change of administration in the United States. The University of Pennsylvania Law Review Symposium will address trafficking in persons—the transportation of people across national borders, often through the use of force, coercion, fraud, or duplicity—from a domestic and international perspective.
KJ
(Via Google Alerts on the keyword “sex trafficking.”)