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"Wait Till They're 18 or Older" Is Perfectly Sound Advice For Adults Who Are Tempted to Offer Teens "Hands-On" Sex-Ed Help

Mon, 2011-05-16 16:03

Carlin Ross, writing about the recent "hummer mom" Christine Hubbs' statutory rape case says that setting bail at $4 million seems a little excessive.  I agree.  On the other hand she also says

I've always thought that the older women in a community should teach the young boys/men about sex.  They could learn how to stimulate a woman's body, how to practice safe sex, and come control from a woman with sexual experience.

Her husband is sticking by her side and she has three children.  Tacky - yes.  Predator - I don't think so.

Source: Dodson and Ross

While I happen to enjoy reading Carlin Ross quite a bit I couldn't disagree more, either on the older-instructor point or the not-a-predator one.

On the older-instructor front I actually really, really think older women (and men) in a community should leave their children enough space to develop their own sexual identities and/or skills with their peers in a... well... not quite supervised environment but in a comprehensively informed one.

I mean, yes, it's all well and good to brass on about "snot-nosed youths" defiling girls their age and how it would be better for older men to "beak them in gently," just as it's all well and good to suggest older women do likewise for boys. But really it's probably a better idea to make sure kids develop real peer authority with each other such that neither one is bringing "outside" expertise to their experimentation.

Because, seriously, you don't hear that sort of thing about gay boys needing to be "broken in" in order to work stuff out, nor for girls with other girls. Somehow they figure it out -- even really complex activities -- either on their own or with remarkably small amounts of reading material related to technique.

Once they turn 18 or a developmentally more appropriate 21, I think it's fine for older men or women to offer younger ones an opportunity to refine their techniques. But before roughly adulthood a lot of sexual negotiation and exploration winds up tied with social, identity, and even personality development. Having adults swoop in for "coaching" sessions might be, um, refreshing for the adults, and even educational for the kids, but (as if often the case for a lot of people in retrospect) it's also an opportunity for adults to help "lock in" their momentary partner's sexualities before they've settled. Again, once they've settled -- and that's most often substantially complete between 18 and 21, then again, adult advice would be taken as advice and not formation. And by that age inexperienced adults are still able to negotiate with other adults as effective peers.

On the sexual-predator front no matter what I strongly don't believe in those cases that it would be necessary to offer Xboxes or flat screen TVs to close the deal, as  Because at that point it really would be a deal instead of a sexual exchange.  If you have to groom, intimidate, or otherwise inveigle a 14-year-old of any age into your bed (or in this case to inveigle yourself into theirs) UR Doin' It Wrong.

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Incidentally I'd just like to add a quote from one of Ross's commenters, Heather J

[M]y husband was raped by an older woman who had children his age and older. He couldn't say no because she had the power. How can a male be raped you might ask? Oh, believe me, they can. We're suffering the consequences now with me being a take charge, not afraid to get what I want sort of woman in the bedroom and him reverting back to how she was with him. Didn't bother him until his father recently died and it's bringing up lots of issues. Adults need to stay away from kids sexually... all adults... all the time.

That seems about right.  It doesn't matter that boys are supposed to be "ready all the time," nor that they're supposed to be able to "take the lead" with sex partners their own age.  No more so than girls with a good, comprehensive sex education are at an orgasmic "disadvantage" to boys as long as their authority and agency is recognized and backed up to be the equal of boys who are their peers.  In fact, arguments of the form "you'll need to know" or "I can help you with... in a way [your peers] couldn't possibly" are actually pretty effective forms of coercion when employed in a culture where boys are expected to "know" and girls are expected to be left wanting.

Adult Sexualization of Justin Bieber is Absolutely Not OK. He Isn't "Just a Boy," He's Also Still Just a Kid!

Wed, 2011-01-05 12:38

Photo by Flickr user SunriseOn7. Cached as a bandwidth-conserving courtesy
Photo by Flickr user SunriseOn7. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Lilith of Evil Slutopia fingers the bullshit double standard that's significantly not on display regarding Vanity Fair's overwhelmingly sexualizing cover and photo spread on 16-year-old Justin Bieber. (The photos, which I'm obviously too polite to repost here, show Bieber covered with lipstick, with 10 different women's disembodied hands pawing him, shown in vaseline-softened-lens focus with his shirt unbuttoned, etc.)

If Miley Cyrus had, at age 16, posed for similar photographs there would have been a huge scandal, everyone from the ladies of the View to Bill O'Reilly would be talking about it, Vanity Fair would be accused of oversexualizing teenagers, Miley would be called a slut, and she would be forced to issue an apology about how sorry and embarrassed she was. (There might even be an action alert from the One Million Moms.)

Source: Evil Slutopia

I think that's about right. By 16 many children, both boys and girls, are perfectly capable of sexual feelings, and are already often in the midst of sexual exploration. With each other! And to a point in development terms it's perfectly natural, normal, and healthy. Again, with each other!

What's going on here, with the considerable adult sexualization of Bieber, is neither normal, natural, or healthy!

Since haven't historically placed a property-value premium on boy's virginity we tend not to see anything wrong with precocious sexualization or adult predation. Especially when the sexualization is heterosexual. But adult sexual intervention in child sexual development still fucks them up.

Bieber, like Cyrus, like all children, is not an adult plaything. Sexualizing him is not ok for him. It might seem funny to adults but it's not a joke. It's not that he's a boy, it's not that Cyrus was a girl. It's that in cognitive and social (if not physical) terms they're still children!

One of the things that basically characterizes an adult is that two or four years isn't all that long. But for children the period from roughly 14 to 18 is really, really critical. In two years Bieber will almost certainly have completed his psychological and social maturation and will thus be prepared for all the real adult sex and sexuality he wants. If he doesn't get it then like waaaaaay too many others before him he's likely to retain a very juvenile and also likely dysfunctional approach to sex. For the remaining 60-80 odd years he's an adult. Why short-circuit all that for a few titillating shits and giggles now?

Sweet mother of pearl!

Update: In comments an anonymous poster pointed out Amelia McDonell-Parry's shameful deplorable sexualization of then-minors Nick Jonas and Taylor Lautner in a Frisky post called "21 Guys We’re Ashamed To Say We’d Totally Screw."

If Anonymous is seriously concerned about the issue of sexual predation on adolescent boys as well as girls, and not (as I sort of get the impression) just pointing out equivalences in order to excuse doing nothing about male predation on girls, he might want to take a look at Lil Wayne and the Problem of Confusing Sexual Assault Victims With Male Sexual Role Models as well. In that case Wayne's male mentor ordered him to accept a blowjob he'd ordered a teenage girl to perform.  Which, when you think about it... as Wayne himself has... is doubly screwed up.

Adults Should Absolutely Stop Spreading the "Everybody's Doing It" Fantasy to Children

Fri, 2010-11-12 10:49

Fragment of scanned Saturday Evening Post -- Norman Rockwell

Ok gang, this is really, really important. Rev. Debra Haffner of Sexuality and Religion, who’s been instrumental in the development and promotion of the excellent Unitarian-Universalist sex-ed curriculum, says the perpetual wildfire stories about rampant sex by pre-teens verge on fantasy. Sex fantasies. Sex fantasies of adults. More specifically, fevered fantasies of very young girls tossing around unreciprocated blowjobs to cluelessly privileged young boys are similarly problematic. Here’s Deb. I want to really emphasize the last sentence in my excerpt because it’s got very large, very real consequences for young people. (Emphais mine)

I’ve long argued in my books… that oral sex in the middle school is largely NOT happening. I’ve said that I can remember the name of the girl in the eighth grade who was offering oral sex, and that perhaps today there might be a few more, but my sense from working with teens around the country is that most middle schoolers are still worrying about kissing and that oral sex scandals in middle schools is largely a media myth.

There’s new national probability data from Indiana University that backs that up. The new IU study finds that only 13% of 14 and 15 year old boys had received oral sex, matching pretty closely the 12% of girls those ages who say they offer it. One in ten girls that age say that they have received oral sex, also challenging the myth that girls are always the ones performing, boys receiving.

The numbers jump once teens are juniors and seniors in high school, but still only a minority of teens ages 16 and 17 have had oral sex ever. One third of the boys and 23% of the girls had received oral sex; one quarter of the girls and 20% of the boys had offered it. Few had had same sex partners. Teenagers are just not as sexually experienced as most adults believe.

Source: Sexuality and Religion

On a personal note, since my children happen to be middle-school age and since I happen to be pretty deeply involved in school activities as a parent volunteer Haffner’s observations resonate pretty strongly. Are there sexual and sexualized antics? Yes. Are there very many? No. Are those antics met with more alarm or annoyance than admiration by their peers? Yes. Is it widespread? Bwahahaha… no, definitely not. Final question: is my school representative of all middle schools everywhere? No, not particularly, but in terms of both parent and student demographics and mores it is highly indicative. But I digress…

The next bit is going to sound like another digression. It’s not. There’s a wry joke in auto mechanic circles that there are two things every Volvo owner knows: first, that Volvos never have mechanical problems; second, that “mine’s the only exception.” Well, turns out there’s a similar meme that affects young people. For instance it’s pretty well known that about half of college students are still virgins in their sophomore year. But it’s also well known that if you ask college students what the percentage is they too know two things: first, that every college-age student has had sex; second, that “I’m the only exception.”

So here’s a fun question. At what age do most kids begin thinking “most people my age are already having sex?” Or at least “...are already giving and/or getting oral sex?” My guess is it begins as early as middle school.

Next question: Where do most kids who get that message? My guess would be that only a very small percentage are getting them from direct evidence from sexually precocious peers. Most, however, are getting them from second- or third-hand rumors, inferences, or false braggadocio. (As Haffner points out elsewhere in her post, this is no different than my or her own experiences in pre “sexual revolution” middle school.)

Last question: What impact do you think it has on children when adults go promoting absolutely wild projections narratives about child sexual behavior? Again, based on my own first-, second-, and third-hand experience both as a middle-schooler and now as a parent, is that such narratives reinforce a climate of peer pressure that leaves kids… and indeed people of all ages including adults… with a sense that if they’re not doing what, realistically, they really don’t yet feel ready for they’re “falling behind” or otherwise being “left out.” And gee, hmm, I wonder what impact feeling left out or falling behind has on people between the ages of, say, eleven and twenty one?

Word to the wise, m’kay? There’s probably no way, really, none, that we can stop asshole adults from spreading bullshit rumors about what they “know” school kids are doing these days. Asking a correspondent at a local news affiliate to refrain is about as unrealistic as trying to get dogs not to sniff each other’s butts. But there is something you can do: if you’ve got children in or approaching middle school age sit them down, tell them about the stories, and tell them that no matter what they hear it’s just not true. Let them know that a) you know they’ve probably already heard about it and that b) they probably already know it based on their own experience that it’s just not true. Extra credit: say the same thing to your high-school students. Say the same thing to your college-age friends, family, peers, and offspring. And, not to put too fine a point on it, say it to your 34-year-old “pickup artist” associates who grouse that they’ve “only” had an exact average number of partners instead of the mazillions of partners they think “everyone else” is having. Beyond-the-call-of-duty Credit: pass word along to any breathless news broadcasters, parenting magazine journalists, and rumor-mill passing Facebook buddies you might know as well.

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One last point: I just want to point out Haffner’s statistics that, contrary to highly-gendered narratives, at all ages when boys and girls begin offering each other oral sex they almost all offering each other oral sex. It’s not just girls giving blowjobs. It’s not just boys receiving. I’d also point out that her statistics are consistent with similar studies going back at least a decade (the earliest such I know of) and they’re also consistent with my own early experiences and those of most of my peers.

I think this is another instance where the reality (it’s pretty bilateral) goes against the message adults propagate (only gender “dominated” girls and maybe gay boys give, only gender “privileged” boys receive.)

As adults we’ve got a great deal of influence over the expectations that are set and delivered to young people. The first trick is not to fall victim to our own breathless myths and rumors.

XKCD on Why I'm Biased Towards Real Adult Sex

Mon, 2010-10-25 11:59

Or love in general, for that matter. It just leads to the idea that either your love is pure, perfect, and eternal, and you are storybook-compatible in every way with no problems, or you're LYING when you say 'I love you'.
Image by Randall Munroe of XKCD. Used under a Creative Commons license.

(Not to give anything away here but if you hover over the comic it will say “Or love in general, for that matter. It just leads to the idea that either your love is pure, perfect, and eternal, and you are storybook-compatible in every way with no problems, or you’re LYING when you say ‘I love you’.”)

Society Shouldn't Privilege NAMBLA's Desired Lifestyle, Why Should It Privilege Jennifer Roback Morse's?

Mon, 2010-07-12 10:11

Yet another complete but unposted draft.

You can find out all about the deeply anti-feminist National Organization for Marriage’s “Ruth Institute” project from DailyKos’s Dante Atkins starting here and continuing here. The short version is that the Ruth Institute’s founder, Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse disagrees with Atkins’ evidence that the intent is not just to encourage women (that would be white American women) to make a choice to stay home, be supported by men (that would be white American men), and have babies (those would be white American babies) in order to stave off the brown menace but to force them to do so through social, political, religious, and legal legislation.

Morse evidently apoplectically disagrees with Atkins’ assertions… not so much by refuting the considerable evidence Atkins presented but instead by claiming that’s what some women want.

You can follow the links above to assess the evidence yourself, and assess for yourself some of the excellent points Atkins raises that I really agree with and think you might too, but I want to talk about one particular point about willingness vs. coercion that really gets to the heart of the question of choice.

[I]n Dr. Morse’s opinion, it’s not sexist of her to advocate that women’s economic and social advances be rolled back. Why? Because many women actively want take on what one could call a traditional domestic role. That is definitely true: many women do actively seek that role, just as there are many men who actively desire the corresponding role of economic provider. What Dr. Morse seems to want, by contrast, is to force all women to reject the technological, medical and social advances that guaranteed their freedom to choose something else.

Read the quote in context here.

There are certain points in adolescence, during the formation of adult identity, where it really can feel like a threat to one’s own validity when other people make choices different from your own.

On the other hand in adulthood healthy individuals have completed the work of finding their identities with the result that they may be annoyed by, or attracted to, or otherwise influenced by other people’s choices but they no longer feel threatened by them. Indeed I’d argue that this is the definition of adulthood — the thing that distinguishes full-sized post-pubescent humans from full-sized mature humans. (It also, incidentally, distinguishes when I think people ought to wait till they — and even more importantly their partners! — begin having, well, real adult sex.)

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Also, not to put too fine a point on it but how, exactly, is Roback Morse’s assertion that society should be bent to satisfy her 24/7 M/f master/slave sex fetish than for it to be bent in favor of, say, NAMBLA’s fetish for pedophilia? I mean, it wasn’t all that long ago that sexual subjugation of boys was as institutionally acceptable as subjugation of women. Why privilege either?

Scarleteen's Heather Corinna Needs Your Help With Survey About Real Adults Attitudes About Casual Sex

Thu, 2010-03-04 14:17

I’m passing this along for three reasons, because Heather’s a friend, because she’s doing good work, and because I hope I can help her find adults in their late 20s, 30s, 40s and beyond who are willing to complete a confidential survey for what I consider to be a worthwhile project.

Heather Corinna is doing a large study on multigenerational experiences with and attitudes about casual sex. The data will ideally be used for publication, but answers are completely anonymous and will only be used anonymously.

There’s a lot of buzz now about “hooking up,” the newest term for casual sex, though casual sex isn’t new at all — nor does it only belong to the current generation, despite often being presented that way. Unlike most of the buzz out there, she’s not interested in telling anyone how to have sex, warning people off any given kind of sex or in presenting any one kind of sex as “the best way.” She’s just looking for what’s real, both in sexual attitudes and experiences among a diverse array of ages, genders and sexual identities, races and sexual ideologies/constructions. The only requirements for participating in this study are being over the age of 16, and having had some kind of sexual partnership before, even if none has been casual. The study will take around twenty minutes.

She would like the study to show as diverse an array of people as possible, especially since so often media representations or cultural conversations about casual sex are usually only about heterosexual white women or about gay men. She particularly wants to be sure LGBT people, people of color, those over 45 and social conservatives are adequately represented, so please share this link with your networks after you take the survey yourself, especially if your networks include people in any or all of those groups.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/S97WR6H

If you don’t know who Heather is, she’s been working in human sexuality for around 12 years. She is the founder and executive director for Scarleteen.com, does sex education outreach at youth shelters and women’s clinics in Seattle, and has been a sex columnist and writer online for sites like The Guardian and RH Reality Check. She has also been published in a handful of anthologies and is the author of S.E.X.: The All-You-Need-To-Know Progressive Sexuality Guide to Get You Through High School and College (DaCapo Press). If you have any questions, you can contact Heather at hcorinna@mac.com

Considering that so flipping much of what we “know” about human sexuality is based on research conducted on undergraduates I’m always enthusiastic about efforts to include the other 85% of the adult population in the research! Thanks to Heather for doing the research and thanks to you if you choose to participate.

Distinguishing Casual Flings from Casual Sex

Tue, 2009-07-21 09:53

Karen Rayne of Adolescent Sexuality, who teaches both sex education to early adolescents and sex-ed instruction to education majors has an interesting take on summer/vacation flings for teenagers.

Vacation flings can range from more emotional connection and no physical connection to an exclusively sexual experience.  They can last a weekend, or a week, or several weeks.  Some of them are remembered and some are forgotten.

But what’s the point of these little affairs?  Are they essentially good or harmful for teenagers?  Should parents encourage them or discourage them?

As I have mentioned before, teenagers are in a place where they are discovering who they are, who they want to be, and how much choice they really have in the matter.  To go through this process, most teenagers need to experience themselves in a variety of situations and acting in a variety of ways.  It’s a healthy thing for them to date around and learn what kind of a partner they want to have.

Vacations often offer a safe place to experiment.  The relationship is generally, by circumstance, limited in length. If the match is not a beneficial one, the parents (and the teenager) can take solace in it ending shortly. The teenager can experience a different side, a different personality, a different kind of relationship, with a firm expiration date attached. If the teenager likes this new sense of self, it can be brought back home, but if the teenager does not like the new sense of self, it can be discarded and left behind. Very convenient, no?

She said it here.

As my blog name suggests I’m not enthusiastic about sex and young people. That doesn’t mean I don’t think they shouldn’t be sexual. I hope it’s obvious that I support sex education (I believe age-appropriate sex education should begin very early.) It’s just that since adulthood actually lasts a really long time, and that a healthy, non-pressured, non-sexualized adolescence lays a great foundation for… well… real adult sex I don’t think one “misses out” by waiting till you’re already a adult instead of imagining it’s sex that actually makes you a man or woman.

Where I part company with the abstinence/chastity crowd, of course, is that don’t see adolescence as a rearguard attempt to hold off on relationship formation till one finds their “one true love.” So I agree wholeheartedly with Rayne that casual or transitory relationships are important precursors to serious and long-term ones.

See also: Debby at My Sexy Professor has a post about How to Make Casual Flings Work. The four main headings: know thyself, come prepared, safety first, and have realistic expectations nicely illustrates the difference between adolescent and adult relationships and further illustrates how learn to crawl before you walk and learn to walk before you run extends to learn to navigate relationships before you have sex.

It takes time to “know thyself.” “Come prepared” tends to assume you already know what to prepare for. “Safety first” sounds self-evident, and to be honest in our hyper-vigilant culture of parenting it’s the rare child who hasn’t been stuffed brim-full with it from birth. But the transition to “independently assessing potential partners and opportunities” is a pretty big step up from “don’t put your fingers in the fan.”

Which takes me to Debby’s last point about having realistic expectations: Good expectations need to include the point that at least half of all college freshmen are still virgins! Even though something like 85% of freshmen believe only 15% are… and that, naturally, they’re part of that 15%... and that, naturally, that makes them losers. Which evidently, even in college, in turn makes it harder for them to get a serious grip on know thyself, come prepared, and safety first.

Which in turn goes back to the message Karen Rayne, and Deb Haffner, and Heather Corinna and countless other professional sex educators come back to again and again: the point of real, comprehensive sex education isn’t just to get us ready for sex (a big concern of “traditional values” types that Rayne beautifully refutes here) but to help us get ready to get ready to have sex as well.

Children, Adults, and Respecting Decison Making

Fri, 2009-04-10 12:24

In this post about Freud and polymorphous perversity in adulthood I made an offhand comment related to my feelings about why, whatever their subjective experience might be, children shouldn’t be sexualized or otherwise pushed to be sexual before, well, adulthood.

In the aside I said

I think (obviously for someone with my blog title) it’s more appropriate to encourage sexual expression in adults after we’ve gone through a lot of healthy identity formation. One of the problems with children, ironically, is that because they’re polymorphous they’re more easily manipulated down convenient-for-adult narrow pathways (gee, sound familiar?)... as opposed to organically developing their own.

I said it here.

Since the post was actually about something else I didn’t really think about it till Jha of Rebellious Jezebel Blogging called it to my attention in comments.

I like the way you put this. Somehow, whenever I try to talk about comprehensive sex education for kids, either I get the told that I’m expecting kids to have sexual expression too young, or that sex shouldn’t be a priority anyway. It’s kinda mind-boggling.

She said it here.

Yup. And by the way it’s not as easy as it looks. This is one of the reasons I take my hat off every time I think about how hard Heather Corinna works to keep things safe but neutral at Scarleteen and in her writing for young people.

It’s not just about sexual trauma in childhood, though the world overflows with adults who will never enjoy their own sexuality thanks to an adult who enjoyed it for them… for a day, or a week, or a year… before they were ready. It’s that growing up is complicated. The complex soup of sex identity, sexual preference, sexual orientation, interpersonal negotiation with peers, critical faculty development, and hormone-surge processing, body-image adjustment (compounded by, um, profound body changes), and reconciliation of gender construction messages with subjective reality takes a really long time! All that and differential physical and psychological development rates and timing for boys and girls. And physical “readiness” can precede actual emotional or developmental readiness as well.

Which is not to say that it’s not appropriate to try to influence children’s sexual development before they’re ready to be sexual on their own. With sports it’s fine to tell a child “if you’re going to play you should be familiar with the rules and wear appropriate equipment but wait till mineralization in your shoulders and knees before playing X” and with sex it’s fine to say “if you’re going to be sexual you should be familiar with the rules and wear appropriate equipment” as well. So comprehensive sex education, as designed and taught by competent authors and instructors, is just fine.

Beyond that? It will always be fiendishly hard to separate one’s own, um, interests from genuine pedagogical concern, therefore for entirely pragmatic reasons it will always be best to give young people room to let their own sexualities emerge.

Imbalanced Thinking: Prosecuting Girls But Not Boys for "Sexting" Indicates Other Bigger Problems

Sat, 2009-04-04 07:06

Ann Bartow of Feminist Law Professors hits the nail on the head

The news in recent weeks has reported a spate of child-porn prosecutions against teens accused of “sexting“—sending nude or semi-nude pictures of themselves to friends and classmates—typically using their cell phones. According to a study by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, nearly as many boys as girls have sent or posted nude or semi-nude pictures or video self-portraits (18% vs. 22%). Yet, it seems that almost all of the prosecutions one hears about involve pictures of girls. Boys are sometimes prosecuted for possessing or “distribution,” but of those who photograph themselves, it is the girls that are the primary targets of legal action, press reports and public attention.

She said it here.

Sort of speaks for itself, eh? The Two Rules of Desire say that men or boys can send photos because they’re horny — typical noxious activity perhaps but no harm. But if girls do it? Whoa, that’s broken! They must be in thrall. They don’t know better. They’re going to turn into sluts. They’re victimizing themselves!!!! They might tear their hymens and then nobody will want to marry them!!!!” Better lock ‘em up… before they further harm themselves!

I’m not sure which is worse — throwing the book at girls or completely neglecting boys.

Fortunately we don’t need to decide: hysterical overreaction and blind indifference are both really shitty things to do when children are forming their sexual identities.

It’s not about hypocrisy, although there’s bound to be some of that. (Freud would surely have a field day if anyone wanted to dig him up.) But that’s not my beef: being completely in denial about emergent sexuality, hinging all discussion of emergent sexuality on girls’ virginity, failing to have adequate models of emergent female and male sexuality, and consequently failing to prepare to help children cope when their sexuality emerges is a problem because it will serve them ill in adulthood. Which lasts 50-80 years compared to the handful of years of actual sexual emergence.

Prosecuting girls, and disregarding boys, for expressing sexuality isn’t just stupid or wrong, it’s evidence of child neglect at a societal level. Heck, just getting hysterical about it in the first place is a problem, instead of, oh, say, anticipating that it might happen and, you know, having a plan and maybe even comprehensive curriculum developed to deal with it.

Update: Just to be clear: the answer to which is better, prosecution or ignoring it the answer is neither. It’s possible (and, I think, necessary) to react appropriately and child-developmentally without overreacting.

On Letting Hairless Little Boys Determine *Anything* Let Alone Women's Hair Fashion

Tue, 2009-03-31 10:43

On the other hand… here’s a a follow up on my previous, possibly overoptimistic post. Laura Woodhouse of reviewed a British TV program allegedly intended to contrast sex education and pornography and turns up… well a whole raft of issues. Some of which are not just wrong but (just from my privileged, future-dead-white-hippie-male perspective?) sick and wrong.

Last night’s first installment of Channel 4’s The Sex Education Show Vs Pornography focused on the way in which pornography affects young people’s attitudes towards and expectations of the female body…

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The programme’s findings were unsurprising: boys find big, fake, firm, round breasts most attractive; girls want big, fake, firm round breasts because ‘that’s what the boys want’. Boys preferred hairless genitals; girls felt pressurised to shave because they ‘want to make the boys happy’.

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Well, aside from showing them photos and real naked women and telling them that porn bodies are not natural (making the mistake of claiming that being slim with big boobs is unnatural – way to further alienate girls who get picked on for being just this shape), not much. She didn’t challenge the boys’ sense of entitlement to porn style bodies, simply laughing when a boy said that if he came across a girl with pubic hair he’d tell her to get rid of it. She didn’t actively tell the girls that it was perfectly OK not to shave all your pubes off, that they shouldn’t feel pressurised to conform to what boys want, and instead gave them advice on reducing shaveburn and ingrowing hairs and suggested that they shave ‘for themselves’ rather than for the boys. Considering the series is supposed to be challenging the ‘pornification’ of our culture, it seems rather ironic that the presenter is using the typical anti-feminist backlash tactic of convincing women to do things men want by persuading us we’re doing it for ourselves. Yes, some women do like to shave it all off, but this is hardly the most empowering or helpful advice for teenage girls.

In general, the programme stank of repressed British, seaside postcard style boob-enduced hilarity…

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[I]t completely failed when it came to actively recognising the clear sexism and gender divide here and challenging it: the main solution being put forward is simply to prevent kids having access to porn by persuading PC companies to install child block software on their products. I hope to see boys in particular actually being asked about how they feel men and women are presented in the porn they watch, but it looks like subsequent episodes are focusing mainly on the body, orgasms and performance.

She said it here.

I gotta say, while totally acknowledging my privileged-hippie standpoint it baffles me to no end that grownups would imagine telling girls how to avoid fucking razor burn instead of maybe that what boys want (or say they want… or even cluelessly imagine they want!) isn’t the only possible frame of reference in the universe.

I mean… there’s loss of power, sure, but there’s also surrender of power. And not to put too fine a point on it, in the case of letting 11-year-old boys (the average age, according to Woodhouse’s sources, that boys are getting their exposures to porn) have the power to dictate feminine standards is… is… what the fucking hell moron universe does anybody let an adolescent child, of any gender, establish beauty standards?

I mean… Shiva up the stovepipe, of course little boys are going to want women to have no pubic hair — boys don’t start getting pubic hair till they’re maybe 13! They don’t even go into puberty on average for two years after girls their age! It’s… it’s… Dick Cheney on stilts! Ask an 11-year-old boy… even a 13-year-old boy what he thinks girls ought to look like and he’s going to say they ought to have an exoskeleton and a compartment for their favorite Magic™ card decks and a spigot for grape soda! And not to get overwrought or anything but at least when I was growing up boys started playing with their father’s or grandpas old empty safety razors and pretending to shave from… pretty early on. And searching our faces, with generally increasing anxiety, through 5th, 6th, 7th, and sometimes later grades for the first hint that finally we can start… not to grow a beard or mustache but to begin shaving.

So of course we’re going to be totally, utterly, and (literally!) juvenile-y wiggy, conflicted, and just generally to-the-bone not the people to be cool-hunting what women ought to look like!

Not to put too fine a point on it but… I stumbled across my URL by accident, but I chose to use it when I started sex-blogging for absolutely intentional, purposeful reasons. Children are a lousy source of standards for human sexuality. If we designed cars to suit children’s driving habits they’d need big red rubber bumpers and windshield-wipers on the inside because when children drive they stick out their tongues and go “blpblpblpblplpblpblpt!”

But we stand by and let children… unsupervised boys (because I’m pretty sure that by-definition 11-year-old-boy porn-viewers, or 13-year-old, or 16-year-old, are not being supervised) or girls establish, let alone dictate, what’s supposed to be “normal” adult appearance.

And for adults to let this happen? Or just mope about it? Or, worse, enable it either by suggesting restricting access is sufficient (criminy!) or by offering (to girls, natch) “helpful” suggestions like how to avoid flipping razor burn, or by shrugging helplessly and saying “woah, even 11-year-old hot-wheels-decal Y chromosome-rays are just so Teh Powerful how can we fight it?” Or, worst of all, not getting in there and raising your fucking children by maybe, y’know, making sure their first (and second, third, tenth, and 87th) exposures to information about sexuality from sex education instead of porn… or peers… or possibly well-intentioned but otherwise ill-prepared magazine editors and television programmers.

Seriously! It’s obviously not benefitting boys. And it’s sure not empowering girls. It’s abdication in the worst possible, lest responsible, most thoroughly non-real-adult way possible.

Sheesh!

No, really, WTF, OMG, !=LOL sheesh! I… I… At this point I need a windshield wiper on my laptop screen!

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