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Self-Perception vs. Partner Desire Deepens Our Beauty/Worthiness Traps

Anna N. of Jezebel references two studies, one a vague study on the benefits of larger thigh size (which may be a good proxy for overall muscle mass) and lifetime health, and then, getting right to the heart of the beauty trap (emphasis mine…)

A similarly mixed blessing is a survey (by research giants Date.com, Matchmaker.com and Amor.com), in which 85% of men agreed that, “A couple of extra pounds are fine by me.” We’re not sure if “a couple of extra pounds” means “as long as you’re not fat or anything,” but it’s nice to be reminded that most men don’t expect women to look like the cover of Self magazine.

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The survey also found that 90% of women think “men find extra weight unattractive.” Says Shira Zwebner, “relationship adviser” for Date.com, Matchmaker.com and Amor.com, “Unfortunately, these types of misconceptions between the sexes are extremely common, and result in a lot of missed dating and relationship opportunities.” So don’t miss an opportunity! Join our dating sites today! Or, you know, love your body, and don’t try to make it smaller based on what you think men want — or bigger based on science that has yet to be confirmed.

Read the excerpts in context and follow the links here.

The same things can be said for men’s gendered worthiness-trap concerns about money, class, muscles, and (especially) penis size — it’s not that size, weight, clothes, or cars (or, breast or penile implants) don’t matter to our partners. It’s that they almost never matter as much to our opposite genders as we are led (or lead ourselves) to believe they do… “result in a lot of missed dating and relationship opportunities.”

Regina Lynn on the Best Type of Lover

Regina Lynn, writing at Sexier Sex, says here’s how to pick the best kind of lover:

This one’s easy. Find a geek.

Here are 5 reasons geeks make the best lovers…

She said it here.

I’m just going to list her five bullet points. You can follow the link to see if you agree with the reasons she gives.

  • Geeks build it so you will come
  • Geeks interact
  • Geeks don’t shock easily
  • Geeks know kinky people
  • Geeks understand multidimensional relationships

I actually don’t think geeks are automatically the best type of lover, anymore than plumbers, poets, actuaries, stay-at-home parents, gardeners, or nuns** are. But her points about the way life online can enhance rather than detract from someone’s real-life interpersonal skills is actually pretty interesting.

[** Just testing: if you’re a geek that last item wouldn’t easily shock you. :-) —fl]

Amanda Marcotte on Conservatives' Cohabitation Connundrum

Riffing off something I said in this post about cohabitation vs. traditionalist views of marriage , Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon takes it a step further

Cohabitation undermines the “men are from Mars/women are from Venus” ideology.  If you’re going to live together without being married, odds are that you have no qualms about fucking without living together.  Conservatives are especially invested in the idea that men naturally have no love for women, and that have to be lured into commitment with sex.  Cohabitation really blows the doors off that, because it shows that men can actively choose to spend more time with women because they like them, not because they’re being baited with sex, which they could obviously get anyway. That people get married after living together really demonstrates that there’s no truth to the theory that men will not buy the cow if they can get the milk for free.  Premarital sex doesn’t really do the same damage to the “men don’t really like women” theory, because as Figleaf said, you can always convince yourself that couples get married because someone got pregnant, or because the man is sick of having to be furtive about getting his sexual needs met.

Of course, once we buy that men can actually like women, then scary new possibilities—-that they could respect them, that women may even be equal—-start to emerge.

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I’m sure most conservatives see 13 million straight cohabitants and see 13 million female victims, sad sacks who joylessly give up sex in hopes that they’ll get the ring one day, unaware that they will never get it because they keep giving it up. That’s a harder to argument to refute, because you can’t see what’s in people’s hearts, and so it’s easy to say 13 million women want something they can’t have.

What’s harder to say is that 13 million men want something they can have but won’t take, even though it’s easy. This model assumes that men, given a choice between fucking without sharing house and living together, would usually choose the former. But they don’t.

She said it here.

Not much to add to that.

The big hoot, of course, is that “traditionalists” simultaneously argue that if women have the same earnings and accomplishment opportunities as men they won’t want to marry men! That’s the great thing about the no-sex class mentality, I guess: If they can’t pillory you coming they’ve got a way to pillory you going.

The Language of Flowers on Fathers Day


Photo by Flickr user Martin_Heigan. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Zwicky Arnold of Language Log,in the course of raising a grammatical point about the use of the word “shall,” says

On ADS-L, Fred Shapiro (following up on a lead from Barry Popik) has posted the following antedating of Father’s Day, which the OED currently has from 1943:

1908 Boston Globe 19 May 10 (ProQuest Historical Newspapers)  Why doesn’t somebody suggest the idea of having a “Father’s day,” when everybody in the country shall wear a modest violet in honor of poor Father?

I don’t know why the writer suggested a “modest violet”, but the idea seems never to have caught on. Instead, as the holiday was commercialized, the celebration came to center on giving “poor Father” characteristically “masculine” gifts: tools, gadgets, golf equipment, grilling equipment, supplies for hunting, fishing, and camping, items associated with sports (especially football), stock car racing, and beer drinking, and so on.

He said it here.

Comments on that post are closed, for reasons unclear to me. But I can answer his question. I have no idea how I know this, but some time between the late Victorian era and the late Edwardian there was a sort of pre-internet meme among romantics where symbolic messages were “composed” using the meanings of different flowers arranged in bouquets. And so a moment of Googling revealed that, according to New-Age.co.uk

Violet Violet – faithfulness and modesty – during mediaeval times violets were believed to provide protection from evil spirits, and the leaves were used on wounds as healing plasters. When Napolean Bonaparte married Josephine she was said to have worn violets, and he sent her a bouquet every anniversary. He apparently wore a locket containing violets he had gathered from Josephine’s grave. In medieval times the violet flower was strewn on the floor as an air freshener due to it’s sweet perfume, and a substance called ionine which dulls the sense of smell. This fragrant flower was used as a remedy for insomnia, as an antiseptic and in poultices.

Source: New Age: “Flower language – meanings of flowers – secret messages – history and folklore of flowers”

So 101 years ago a “modest violet in honor of poor father” would probably have made a lot more sense.

Interestingly this would have been towards the end of the “semen conservation” era in Anglo-American tradition where, throughout most of the Victorian era at least, it had been believed that a single male ejaculation was as damaging to male health as the loss of a pint of blood, with the result that all health-conscious men knew — because their doctors told them with full, scientifically backed, peer-review-journalled authority — that “as many as” ten ejaculations a year would lead to inevitable ill health, insanity, and premature death.

That was, of course, impossibly silly: left to one’s own devices a healthy adolescent may be able to ejaculate ten times in a day without much more than perhaps a little soreness and maybe, depending on his recovery rate, a bit of sleep loss. The flip side, of course — that ejaculations are so easily and effortlessly obtained as to render the father’s contribution to reproduction essentially meaningless — is also silly. And not without its consequences.

The faithful and simple “modest violet” father of the 1900s was replaced in mid-century by the “industrious clover” of Willy Loman of Death of a Salesman, who’s role was to make up for the deficit of his seminal “spending” by absenting himself as much as possible and working himself to death in order to “provide for his family.”

What. Ever.

Having only been a father for twelve years since the birth of my first child I can’t say I’m up on all the details. But I do know there’s more to it than either the fanciful loss of “precious bodily fluids” or the equal folly of backbreaking absence.

Instead, off the top of my head it’s all about Acorn, Allspice, Ambrosia, Anemone, Angelica, Aniseed, Azalea, Basil, Bay Leaf, Bird of Paradise, Bittersweet, Bluebell, Borage, Burnet, Buttercup, Cactus, Calendula, Carnellia, Carnations (pink, red, white), Cattail, Chamomile, Chrysanthemum, Crosus, Daffodil, Dandelion, Eucalyptus, Fern, Feverfew, Fir, Flax, Forget-me-not, Forsythia, Garland of roses, Garlic, Gladiolus, Grass, Heather, Holly, Honeysuckle, Hyacinth blue and white, Iris, Ivy, Jonquil, Juniper, Lavender, Lemon, Lemon Balm, Calia lily, Lily of the valley, Magnolia, Marigold, Mint, Marjoram, Mistletoe, Myrtle, Orange, Cattleya orchid, Pansy, Pine, Poppies red and white, Primrose, many but not all Roses, Rose leaf, Rosemary, Sage, Salvia, Strawberry, Sunflower, Sweetpea, Thyme, Tulips, Woodruf, Yarrow, and at least so far, Zinnias magenta, scarlet, white, and yellow. All that and violets and clover and you’re starting to get what an astonishing, only-a-child-would-gather-such-chaos-and-recognize-its-beauty bouquet it is to be a dad. If you let it.

What's Supposed to be Killing Passion in the Bedroom?

Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon, ruminating on Megan O’Rourke’s “contrarian” defense against Sandra Tsing Loh’s recent marriage-thumping in Atlantic Monthly, uses a mere sixty five words to refute the conceit that to be effective all sexual relationships must have a “power gradient.” (Italics mine.)

Meghan O’Rourke runs with the idea that it’s feminism that killed marital passion, that real passion can only exist if one person in a relationship is perpetually being treated like a debased supplicant.  One would have to live in an utter bubble to believe that, but I’m willing to introduce O’Rourke to the many couples I’ve known with both the proper gender imbalance and separate bedrooms.

She said it context here.

Because, yeah, feminists invented separate bedrooms. Or, for that matter, twin beds for married couples.

I’m way more sanguine about both marriage and children than Amanda is (I think everybody who wants to and knows what they’re doing ought to be able to do both) but that doesn’t mean I have much patience for people who think it’s just the most sacred thing ever. And I really don’t have much patience for the idea that equality kills passion. It’s not that egalitarian relationships are all beds of roses, it’s just that I’ve never seen any evidence that they’re any less rosy, or lusty, than any other kind.

Foreplay as "Payment" for Sex? Seriously?

Matthew Yglesias says of a study that tries to claim that macaque monkeys conduct prostitution transactions. In the sense that sex is more than twice as frequent (3.5 times vs 1.5 times) when males that “pay” sex by first grooming females than when they don’t.

If you think about human society, “paying for sex” denotes a pretty specific kind of social practice—prostitution—and isn’t a catchall phrase to cover every mutually beneficial relationship that involves sex. You could probably do a study of married human couples that would show that sex is more likely after a husband is nice to his wife than after he’s been a jerk; I don’t think you’d call that a study about “paying for sex” among married couples.

He said it here.

That sounds about right. It happens to be the case that a lot of people imagine that “proper” men “pay” for sex through marriage. Which makes sense in those relationships where women have no interest in sex, whatsoever. Or who, because of artificial limits on social and economic opportunities imposed by the dictates of gendered culture they have no, zero, none interest in sex with the men they’re obliged to marry.

Oddly the article, and the study it describes, claims no parallels should be drawn between human and macaque behavior. Which is laudable I’m sure. Or would be if, rather than conclusions drawn the researchers and reporters hadn’t instead drawn premises.

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P.S. if I’m not mistaken I’m more likely to want sex 3.5 times an hour instead of 1.5 if, instead of just bending over the first “female” I’m on intimate terms with and “copulating” with her I instead spend time “grooming” her by putting my arms around her, stroking her cheek, murmuring things out loud that remind me why I appreciate her, burying my face in her hair, kissing, nuzzling, or biting her neck and shoulders, and otherwise engaging in the kind of “payment” we more often think of as, oh, I don’t know, foreplay!

Because, you know, foreplay increases men’s interest in and desire for more frequent sex. Something the subset of anthropologists and science reporters most drawn to moronic anthropomorphization of macaque (not to mention macaque-ization of humans) might discover if they ever bothered to try it.

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Seriously! The idea that only women “need” or otherwise benefit from foreplay is just… um… yeah, just try it some time. I mean, not to drag in the food issue or anything but don’t studies also show that people who eat food cold, out of the can, over the sink to “save time” also tend to eat less overall than people who take the time to actually enjoy their food as a cultural activity and not just a biological necessity? Well, same for sex, m’kay?

Learning to Just Be, Rather Than Imagine, the American Man


Photo by Flickr user figleaf (hey, that’s me!) Posted under a Creative Commons license.

Dana Goldstein discusses an essay on Salon.com by Aaron Traister, who stays at home with the children because his partner has more earning potential, particularly in a down economy.

But after initial successes in preparing dinners and taking his son on nature walks, Traister finds that his sense of masculinity is, in fact, deeply threatened by stay-at-home parenting. He stops cooking. He starts acting obnoxious to his wife and bragging at dinner parties about how he used to be “butch,” working as a bouncer and in a prison. Of course, since this is a personal essay, Traister reaches the point of redemption. While shoveling snow with his son, he realizes that being a man has more to do with testosterone and imparting good values to his children than with having a traditional career. And I think Traister settles upon a really key issue for feminism: that so many men’s notions of masculinity have failed to catch up with reality. He writes:

“As many of us (for whatever reason) find ourselves in a fiduciary timeout, we should not only think about how to repower the American worker but how to reimagine the American man. The moment our mothers entered the workforce and shattered expectations, the rules about gender roles in this country changed completely, even if our perceptions didn’t. Trying to live like our grandfathers is no longer an option.”

She said it here.

“...being a man has more to do with testosterone and imparting good values to his children than with having a traditional career…”

Oh my that’s nicely put. The way out of the masculinity trap is realizing that pretty much all other “what it means to be a man” gender messages attempt to define men in terms of limits on how we can act, think, or be. Which only slightly hypothetically would terminate with the ideal man standing stiff on a plinth whispering through gritted teeth “I must maintain this rigid position or all is lost.”

Discovering that everything one does as a man is masculine, instead of only those things one’s grandfather was permitted, is extraordinarily empowering. Which only sounds ominous until one notices just how much that is unpleasant about men originates in our fear of being deemed “unmanly.”

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1st minor quibble: I think the phrase “reimagining the American male” works well as alliteration. But attempting to live up to what we imagine the American male was (and, more often, wasn’t) in the first place has been a big part of the problem all along.

Getting that “...being a man has more to do with testosterone and imparting good values to his children than with having a traditional career…” is the first critical step towards un-imagining being a man. And therefore towards actually starting to be one.

2nd minor quibble: Traister refers to un- or underemployment as a “fiduciary timeout.” From one stay-at-home parent to another “timeout” has uncomfortable connotations. The rules really have changed since women entered the workforce. Which means that in an average relationship who earns the most money will be as random in heterosexual relationships as its always been for those of the same sex. But unless, as he hints we must, we don’t change our perceptions that means on average half of all (hetero) couples will think of themselves (or perhaps just think of the man) as relegated to “timeout” because he’s not bringing home the bacon. Getting used to that, and getting used to the idea it’s not a failing or a punishment, really will some getting used to. But we’ve got to get used to it.

And of course once we do it’ll be no big deal. Being a man is not about being a provider, it’s about being a partner. Maybe even with more testosterone, even, since fear and stress — including fear of not being “man enough” and stress about not earning “enough” — reduce testosterone. (Odd fact of the day: contrary to popular opinion and tons of bad science reporting, men typically become aggressive or cranky when their testosterone levels are low, not high.)

Drama, Like Entropy, Requires No Maintenance

XKCD's hover caption: The full analysis is of course much more complicated, but I can't stay to talk about it because I have a date.
Comic by XKCD. Used under a Creative Commons license. Click to see full-size at xkcd’s site.

Em & Lo of Sex. Love. And Everything in Between say

Researchers at Villanova and Rutgers charted personality traits against bedpost notches. They weren’t surprised to discover that dominant people have more notches than wall flowers, on average. But what did shock them was the finding that people who have very warm personalities are just as likely to sleep around as people with very cold personalities — while people who are somewhere in between warm and cold get around a lot less. This held true for both men and women, and for all manner of sex acts, from making out to making lurve.

They said it here.

As usual, without seeing the original study (Psychology Today, Em & Lo’s source, offers no links… or researcher names) you have to take it with a grain of salt. But as E&L make clear it’s also kind of obvious.

It’s been my experience as well. It’s not that warm people can’t be as heartbreaking as cold ones either, it’s just that they (we? I don’t know if I’m so much “warm” as kind of a cheerfully clueless galoot… you could call me lukewarm though “m’friends call me Luke”) are more likely to stumble rather than connive themselves into relationships that might better be either very light, or maybe not be relationships at all.

Last night I went with friends to see Clive Owen and Julia Roberts in Duplicity. It’s a surprisingly unconventional use of dark irony, screwball comedy, and spy procedural. I mention this in part because it nicely illustrates the point that “cold personality” players can make suitable matches in non-lifetime/exclusive relationships. And I think “warm personality” goofs and nerds can work pretty well in those situations too.

The mistake, I think, is to try and generalize that to, well, the general population.

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It’s not that relationship drama, sexual or romantic, can’t be radically unwound from the misdirections, stereotypes, and semantic overloading our highly gendered paradigms have wrought. If I didn’t think they could I’d be blogging about food or childcare or knitting or something. But then if I believed dropping old social rules would be all it took to eliminate “drama” I probably wouldn’t be blogging then either. :-)

Sort of by definition the exits out of a dominant paradigm aren’t illuminated by saying “let’s just not be in this paradigm anymore.” Because, to paraphrase xkcd, the opposite of paradigm n = “more paradigm n + drama.”

And Conservative/Patriarchs Are Supposed to Be *Better* Managers?

In passing to a larger point, Echidne of the Snakes raises one of those questions popular with (real, anti-feminism) anti-feminists that rather begs a different one

When I first read about their principles I came across a defense of the female subjugation they demand. It went like this: “Is it so much to ask women to subject themselves to men’s leadership? Consider that these men are willing to give up their lives for their families if asked! Compared to that, what’s a little oppression?”

Read the quote in context here.

But… but… considering that women have to be willing to give up their lives just to fucking have a family is it too much to ask men to share leadership? And last I heard there were no Supreme Courts or state legislatures requiring men to give up their lives for their families the way they seem willing to mandate it for women. Which leaves one wondering — if willingness to sacrifice one’s life for one’s family is should be the metric for family leadership — whether women should have to share at all.

Of course it’s actually a really stupid argument. In the first place there’s no reason to imagine that families require top-down as opposed to, say, consensus leadership in the first place. And in the second place, willingness to base leadership on the by-definition lower continuity criteria of who’s most likely to die and thus leave a leadership vacuum is just bad management!

Excuse Me Myth, I Don't Believe We've Been Introduced

I can’t say how much I’ve been enjoying Bob & Susan-Yager-Berkowitz’s He’s Just Not Up for It Anymore: Why Men Stop Having Sex, and What You Can Do About It (which I first mentioned in passing here.)

It’s highly readable, following a familiar and conventional-for-relationship-books mix of case study, quotes, citation, and interpretation without a lot of deep theory or analysis. But if the form is familiar the content is eye-opening.

First of all: In just about half of all “sexless” heterosexual relationships (technically defined as fewer than ten sexual events together per year) it’s the man rather than the woman who’s less interested.

Second of all: the reasons couples give for men’s lack of desire are sometimes cliché, but when they are they’re cliché with a twist. Even better, the reasons men give for their lack of desire are interestingly different than the reasons women who’s partners lack desire give. One commonality though?

Although the men know (or at least think they know) the reasons for their voluntary celibacy but the women are only guessing, either way the situation is embarrassing and painful. It is therefor not surprising that both men and women agree most with statements that shift responsibility away from themselves.

And it’s not as though men are secretly beleaguered, saintly, and misunderstood… just human:

Indeed men indicate a lack of sexual adventure (hers, not his) as primary. It is difficult to believe that this lack of erotic excitement is completely one-sided, and that these men who identify their wives as unadventurous are themselves imaginatively passionate guys, just somehow mysteriously unable to inspire the one woman they chose to marry.

Another interesting tidbit…

Slightly less than half say they are interested in sex, but not with their partners.

...implies that slightly more than half aren’t interested in sex with anyone.

The authors bring a seriously interesting twist to another big reason that you’d think would be obvious: weight gain. Again with the nuance — read to the end of the excerpt before jumping back out. (Emphasis mine.)

It is always easier to obfuscate blame, especially when the problem is, at least in part, yourself. So, let us make this clear before we write another sentence — we aren’t talking about a few extra pounds, which, without question, are an excuse, not a reason. However, if a woman is more than around thirty pounds overweight, her partner maybe telling the truth. ... Mysteriously, whether or not they themselves have added extra pounds, too, is irrelevant [to the men’s responses.]

Obesity also diminishes libido, so an overweight person may not be as responsive a partner as he or she once was. There is also new evidence that correlates male obesity and impotence. Mix obesity, ED [another big factor discussed elsewhere in the book —fl] and low libido together and it may be easier to just stop trying.

So, again another instance where popular, gendered stereotypes about women’s weight and appearance get in the way of what might actually be going on. (A single anecdote is just an anecdote but the authors quote a woman who found her husband in bed with a neighbor who… was the same weight, age, and appearance as she. Which, if I’m not mistaken, is actually pretty common and which again suggests the most conventional “reason” may not an actual explanation.)

Another really important bit is that women surveyed revealed that their partners weren’t that into sex even before their relationships became permanent ones. So it’s not just the conventional explanation of familiarity breeding contempt.

And there’s more. Which I may post about later when I’ve finished the book. Which brings up a caveat: it’s risky to being positively reviewing a book before you’ve finished, and I’ve got a lot more to read. But the information and insights in those first few chapters seem worth the price of admission.

What I especially like about the authors so far is they’re wonderfully non-judgmental. They’re aware of stereotypes but not bound by them. Willing to pass along conventional ideas from authorities but not willing to swallow them whole. They’re on to something new, or, more accurately, something almost never discussed, and so, knowing there are already more than enough stories about gender expectations, they’d prefer not to prematurely make up their own.

Bottom line, though, is yet another half of what we “know” about libido imbalance in relationships, especially hetero relationships, turns out to be myth-based rather than, oh, say, true.

One more instance where what society tells us is true about men, women, sex, and relationships gets in the way of dealing with what’s actually happening inside the relationships!

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