reproduction

Annual Summer Complaint, Athens Edition

Sat, 2011-07-02 02:23

I think I probably say this every year but it escapes me how anyone manages to have sex when the temperature is above 70 degrees. Let alone 80, 90, or 100+ degrees People evidently do because for instance Athens has 4,000,000 residents. I just don't know how people manage.

Quick Rule #34 question: is there such a thing as heat-exhaustion porn? Heat-rash porn?

Because, seriously!!!

That is all.

Folly of Assuming Women Evolved Not to Have Orgasms or That Men Require Orgasms to Reproduce

Sun, 2010-07-11 13:32

Another finished draft I inexplicably neglected to post earlier this year provides a timely opportunity to link to Emily Nagoski. —fl

Going back to that goofy idea proposed most recently by g-spot denier Tim Spector that women have “evolved” orgasmic (difficulty during intercourse only, natch) in order to “test” the reproductive worthiness of their male partners.

That notion’s first screeching collision with reality, as Holly Pervocracy and I’m sure others pointed out, would be where waiting for orgasms during intercourse would seem to be a bit late in proto-women’s mate-selection process.

The second obvious collision with reality would be the part about where roughly a third of all women report they never have orgasms from intercourse.

A third obvious collision would be that there’s no evidence whatsoever that women who have fewer orgasms from intercourse reproductively “penalize” their partners by having fewer children than women who do. (A corollary would be that there’s no evidence that childless women are any less, or more, orgasmic than their childbearing counterparts.)

There’s a completely non-obvious collision.

It’s non-obvious because it’s not particularly related to orgasms.

Which makes it almost completely non-obvious because if you’re reading this in English you’ve almost certainly been indoctrinated with the idea that sex is all about orgasms. Or, in the slightly more sophisticated version sex is all about orgasms for men, and all about the promise that they might “give” women orgasms on the way to having their own. Or in the slightly less sophisticated version sex is all about orgasms for men and economic security for women and “their” babies.

The non-obvious part is that even men and women who never have orgasms at all, let alone orgasms with partners, let alone orgasms during intercourse still desire sex.

Intensely.

Sometimes achingly.

If you wanted to claim humans were evolved to desire sex, meaning sex just about any way you care to define it, I’d have to agree. No problem. If you wanted to claim humans evolved to have orgasms I’m probably quibble that they’re more of a side effect than directly selected for. If you were going to claim, though, that one sex evolved not to have orgasms in order to “test” the fitness of the other sex? I’d have to pat you on the head as if you were a simpleton and write long posts about it.

In fact, protestations of armchair evolutionary psychologists notwithstanding there’s no evidence that women or men really need to have orgasms to reproduce. That doesn’t mean we don’t enjoy them thoroughly, just that there’s no evidence that they’re needed to encourage other organisms to reproduce, nor is there evidence that we need them either.

Ev-Psychs Economists Conclude Evolution Makes People With More Daughters Identify Republican? Now We Can All Go Home!

Mon, 2010-04-05 13:14

Via Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution, who has paid access to academic papers, the concluding paragraph of a new paper by economics researchers Dalton Conley, Emily Rauscher claims that not only does having more daughters tend to make politicians more conservative (despite prior research saying the contrary) there’s an sociobiology/evolutionary-biology angle that explains the whole thing! (Emphasis mine.)

Using nationally-representative data from the General Social Survey, we find that female offspring induce more conservative political identification. We hypothesize that this results from the change in reproductive fitness strategy that daughters may evince.

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The conservative emphasis on family, traditional values and gender roles, and prolife anti-abortion sentiments all stress investment in children – for both men and women. Conservative policies mirror the genetic interests of women, writ large. They attempt to promote paternal investment in offspring. Further, they stress investment in conceived offspring – “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.” In short, Conservative policies support the genetic fitness of women by capitalizing on each pregnancy, reducing male promiscuity, and increasing paternal investment in children. Such policies may impinge on the freedom of parents’ immediate offspring, but they increase the expected number of grandchildren via daughters.

You’ll have to pay to confirm it but they allegedly say it if you begin reading here.

Got that girls? Keeping you at home, in the kitchen, with the children, while government policy rains Hell on the kind of hussies that “ask for it” from men, and scowling and sternly tapping it’s foot at the men who give it to them, is all in your own best genetic interest.

Maybe not your individual, personal, mental and psychological or even corporeal interest, sure. But your genes? Oh yeah, you mousey little baby-maker, your genes know better than you. They know you want it.

It’s an even more cellular-level version of the same old worth-of-a-woman-is-her-offspring argument.

Otherwise, whereas it’s entirely possible that the researcher’s data supports their contention that politicians who have (proportionately) more daughters tend to be more conservative, I’m extremely skeptical of their implications that

a) politicians with daughters become more conservative in order to maximize their own 2nd- and 3rd-generation offspring
b) that conservatism even maximizes the reproductive potential of those women under their dominion
and, especially,
c) that very many conservative politicians are going to be that thrilled that they’re either the products or the beneficiaries, let alone the vehicles for Darwinian evolution.

Echidne on Deep vs Shallow Research Into Reproductive Success

Wed, 2009-09-02 12:03

Echidne of Echidne of the Snakes raises two wonderful points about the research on Tanzanian women who marry multiple times that Natalie Angier wrote about in the New York Times the other day.

First, riffing off one of her commenter’s remarks…

Doug also jokingly wonders if this refers to some loose piece of feminist research, and of course it’s hard to know without reading the actual research. But if research consisting of following a tribe for fifteen years, recording the number of marriage-like relationships and recording the numbers of children which survive past the crucial age of five is loose research, what the fuck should we call all those ask-the-American-undergraduates-to-rank-pictures-of-desirable-women evo-psycho pieces? So loose that the universe and our brains fall through it?

Read the quote in context here.

I spend a lot of time questioning pop sociobiology and evolutionary psychology. And I do it not because I’m too anthropocentric to believe human behavior could be shaped by evolution — which would be kind of hard to imagine — but because most of the published research that gets reported as daring, dazzling truth wouldn’t pass peer review at the average lad magazine.

Borrowing basic research tools from the school cognitive-science lab down the hall, replacing their color patterns with soft porn, and graphing eye flicks is quick, easy, and it measures… something. But almost never measures anything strong enough to bear the weight of complex interpretations of human behavior that get piled on top of it. As opposed to years or decades spent measuring human activity in context and over time.

Which brings me to Echidne’s even cooler point: if you’re going to make claims about reproductive success you need to demonstrate reproductive success!

Let me calm down a bit there. Whatever the quality of this research might be (and I will check if I have time), at least it actually measures reproductive success. The importance of this cannot be overstressed. Practically all the studies I have seen speculate about the reproductive success of men who cast their seed around widely, while not offering actual evidence. Likewise, very few studies address the complaint I’ve made many times that getting a woman fertilized does not equal having produced a fertile adult offspring. Before that is possible the pregnancy must result in a live birth, the resulting baby must be fed and kept safe all through the next ten plus years. Only then can we measure the reproductive success in the sense of the genes being passed on.

Let’s go back to my nicked-from-the-cognitive-science-lab example above. If you’re going to call yourself an evolutionary psychologist or sociobiologist, and if you’re going to claim that, say, the brain processes clothed vs. unclothed women, or men or women, or unclothed men vs. unclothed women at different rates (which is entirely plausible) then you’re sort of obliged not just to speculate but to demonstrate how that would confer reproductive advantage to the eye-flickeree.

And if as EPs and sociobiologists are way too fond of doing, you’re going to argue that eye flickers are all about sexual selection then you have an even tougher job. If you made that claim you’d have to demonstrate the eye-flickering wasn’t about, say, distinguishing friend from foe, or “soldier” from “civilian” where the advantage would be living long enough to find a partner and raise resulting children to adulthood, as opposed to ev-psych’s obsession which would be about assessing different prospective mates for their on-the-spot genetic suitability. That’s gonna be tough.

On the other hand, tracking reproducing many individuals through multiple relationships and multiple children through direct observation and recording of family history might be time consuming... and might be beyond the skill sets for the average eye-flicker measurer, but the results (reproductive success not just of individuals but their children and grandchildren) of that kind of research are pretty solid, three-dimensional, and interviewable.

As Echidne clearly says, fieldwork too can be rigorous or lax as can conclusions drawn from fieldwork. But in the long run if we’re going to learn about discrete, measurable, and significant selected-for human behavior (and someday, since we really have evolved) it’s much more likely to come from that sort of deep fieldwork, multi-generation data sets, and great, huge gouts of profound wariness of introduced bias.

Examining the Other Side of the "For Procreation Only" Equation

Wed, 2009-05-20 16:14

A little earlier today I mentioned a post by Britni Danielle expressing how she’s keen on most things about hetero sex, except…

I absolutely love when a man comes on my tits or stomach. I adore being covered in come. I also love when a man comes in my mouth. I think it’s totally hot. I don’t necessarily love having someone come on my face, but if it’s someone I’m dating and he really wants to, I’ll let him. So where do I HATE when a guy comes? Inside me (without a condom).

I think it’s absolutely repulsive. I think it’s messy. I hate that it drips out for the next hour, whether it’s onto the bed or into your underwear and you have to sit in it all day.

Read the quote in context here.

She continues…

But honestly? I think that it may be partially related to my complete aversion to having children. I think that I associate someone coming inside with procreation or babies or pregnancy or something. ... Now of course I know that there are sperm in precum and blah blah blah, and I’m on the pill which is 99.9% effective and blah blah blah, but I still hate the thought of someone coming inside me. Even if it’s someone that I’m really emotionally connected to and intimate with.

When you add it all up it does seem like — however nice PIV/ejaculation might be — that there’s an almost… disorderly emphasis put on that one particular activity.

I can think of a couple of obvious reasons why. The most circular being that it’s the most “natural” form of sex. Or, its sociobiology/evolutionary-psychology form, it’s the most “genetically wired.” But I can also think of a couple of other ones: a thousands-of-years-old, intense legal and doctrinal fascination with restricting sex “except for procreation.” The equally ancient tradition of male “semen conservation“ for health, vitality, and old-age would be another. (I’ve mentioned elsewhere that in the peak of Victorian-era hysteria it was believed in Europe, England and the United States that “as much as ten ejaculations a year” could be fatal to a healthy adult male!) The old Monty Python song “Every Sperm is Sacred,” in other words, had (and in many cultures still has) an entirely secular side as well.

One nice side effect of the Protestant Reformation in the West was an overturn of the idea of sex only for procreation. And men have demonstrated, um, repeatedly that semen “conservation” has few if any benefits at all. Add the substantial risks of unwanted, unplanned pregnancy, the increased risk of transmission of some STIs, the inconvenience and mess born mostly by the recipient and the point that there are actually more pleasurable ways for both men and women to have orgasms together and… it’s worth, well, reconsidering our obsession with the practice.

Except for procreation, of course. :-)

Update: For the record, since my enthusiasm might be mistaken for stridency, after complaining about the notion that we should always limit “normal” sex to PIV intercourse to ejaculation I’m not turning around and saying we should never do so. I am, however, questioning its centrality and the assumption — especially in the face of quite a bit of contrary evidence — that it’s the easiest, most natural or (according to DSM proposals) least “abnormal,” or best thing people can decide to do together.

I’m also aware that a lot of the alternatives sound a whole lot like the dismal, almost universally self-induced “money shots” of pornography. To that I’ll just say that the “money shot” of porn is to male orgasm what the rest of porn is to real adult sex: highly stylized activities designed almost exactly to be more exciting to watch than to do in real life.

Hey, Quit Reproducing the Reproduction Myth!

Mon, 2008-07-07 09:05

Sex can feel very, very nice.

If you do it one particular way, with a particular kind of person, during particular days of your or your partner’s menstrual cycle, assuming you or your partner are old enough but not too old to ovulate or inseminate then, yeah, you can also reproduce.

Oh, unless by “sex” you mean only “penis-in-vagina intercourse to male ejaculation between ages 15 and 25, or as long as both of you are still ‘hawtt’ enough that someone else would want to watch.” If you mean that then yeah, you get a lot of reproduction that way.

But that’s a pretty limited definition of sex.

An extravagantly limited definition.

That doesn’t mean a lot of people don’t enjoy PIV intercourse, or even that they shouldn’t. It just means it’s a bit of a framing trap to assume it’s about, or even mostly about reproduction.

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