revenge porn

Amanda Hess on Objectifying Object Lessons: On Victims of "Leaked" Videos and Other Forms of Revenge Porn

Sat, 2010-06-12 16:36

Amanda Hess of Washington City Paper’s TheSexist blog has a great takedown of the whole slut-shaming extravaganza surrounding any women, but particularly
“celebrity” women, who ever, anywhere, for any reason, mix sex and cameras. And while you should definitely go read the whole thing (a conversation with Sadie Doyle who’s also just sharp) one particular piece really stands out.

It’s about tisk-tiskers who fret endlessly about “vulnerable” victims without… well, here’s Amanda

...while I understand the practical concerns involved here, and think everyone should be educated about the risks of sexual intercourse, people who trump up “personal responsibility” while doing no fucking work to help make bad “consequences” of sex any better just essentially think people who have sex OUGHT TO BE punished for it. These are the same arguments against abortion, the same arguments against working to stop HIV, the same arguments against working to stop rape.

She said it here.

The reason they do no fucking work to help make bad consequences is that at the end of the day they endorse the consequences! 100% The victim’s suffering and humiliation makes them object lessons (cough, objects, cough) that ideally encourage others not to follow suit.

Rough Notes from Maria Diaz's "Revenge Porn" Session at Sex 2.0

Mon, 2009-05-11 19:52

At Sex 2.0 blogger Maria Diaz presented a session on “Revenge Porn.” Here are my rough, non-verbatim notes taken live during the session. Update Calico has posted video transcripts.

Workshop initially inspired by hassles faced by Gretchen Rossi of a TV show called “Real Housewives of Orange County”

  • Ex boyfriend started to post photos to thedirty.com after the show aired
  • She doesn’t talk about it but she’s attempted legal action against the website

So! What is revenge porn?

  • Photos or images distributed by someone in an attempt to humiliate the subject; sometimes includes contact info
  • First used on urbandictionary in 2007
  • (Comment: For sex-industry people may not be photos but might be contact info)

Reason for the talk

  • People are sharing more pictures and other personal information than ever.
    • Not just for world but peer group
  • Solution has to be more realistic than “never take naked photos or otherwise do anything else that could ever get online ever.”

Different flavors of revenge porn

  • Celebrity sex tape
  • Scorned ex who distributes tapes to world or to friends
  • Faux revenge professional porn
  • The Revenge Porn threat (blackmail) “Do what I want or I’ll release the photos

4 Cases

  • Lena Chen (formerly of Sex and the Ivy blog)
    • Outed in photos by disgruntled ex
  • Kim Kardashian (Public celebrity)
  • Carrie Prejean (Miss California)
    • Carrie Prejean was outed as revenge for homophobia… but still was outed and it was still revenge
    • Jason Fortuny (with a twist)
    • Posted respondents to his “violent craigslist” prank
  • Imagined he was in the clear but wound up losing court battle

Maria Diaz asked: Why do outed celebrities’ seem to suffer less career-wise (but not suffer less personally)

  • Guess: Probably papparazi influence

Question: Why the market for humiliated/revenge-upon-ed wives, husbands?

  • Opportunity to look down on someone
    • “At least I don’t have naked photos of me…”
  • Eroticizing shaming/prudery
  • Justifying/viewing “object lesson” participation
  • How people think about women (has to do with why it’s almost always women.)
  • Not much stigma for men because (no-sex class moment here) it’s expected that men will “debase” themselves. It might happen that they’re outed but it’s not “news.”

Question: With everyone growing up with phonecams, etc do you think it’ll ever reach a point where someone won’t have to resign or won’t be hired if outed?

  • Probably so. There’s often little lasting damage now
  • There is a control issue. Sex bloggers (e.g. Lena Chen) who post their own photos still felt hurt and betrayed when an partner does it against their wishes

Maria: Problem with Jason Fortuny and other revenge/stalking cases is there were, or are, no real laws.

Point: Revenge porn ought to be treated as internet stalking
Downside: law enforcement may not be prepared/motivated to enforce stalking in the first place

Point: saturation of millions of “yeah I did that too” takes power away from straight-up revenge. Saturation doesn’t protect in Fortuny-type “craigslist respondent” outings

Point Saying “If you have to do it… lock it down, get “collateral,” is implicitly agreeing it’s wrong. Saying “it’s the worst thing” is only an issue if it’s really the worst thing!

Possible “fight fire with fire” Strategy:

  • Cuts both ways
  • Out people who post revenge porn.
  • Saturation may protect victims (I mean, at some point it’s going to become “so what”) but it’s unlikely to protect perpetrators.
  • At some point in the future we’ll be blazé about being naked on the internet…
  • But! At no point are we ever likely to be unconcerned about assholes who out people.

Revenge-Porn "Revenge" Strategy

Mon, 2009-05-11 19:35

This post is about an effective way to deal with people who post sexually “incriminating” information about others against their will: outing the posters so that their future employers, partners, and customers find out when they Google them.

On Saturday at Sex 2.0 Maria Diaz gave “revenge porn”a presentation on “Revenge porn” is the umbrella term for the act of distributing information about a person’s sexual nature against the victim’s wishes, but it’s most closely associated with posting nude photos taken before a relationship ends as a way of getting back at an ex.

One of the big concerns for victims is that even if they get redress from perpetrators… or even if the perpetrator genuinely regrets their decision, once information goes into circulation online it can’t be recalled.

One potential bright spot is that as more, and more, and more people “grow up online” and as more and more people’s naked photos end up in distribution (either involuntarily and voluntarily) we can expect to reach a saturation level. After that point the existence of such photos won’t be scandalous at all.

We’re already seeing something like that saturation effect. In 1984 the discovery of years-old nude photos of Vanessa L. Williams obliged her surrender her position as Miss America. But just a few years later the disclosure of far more sexual photos of rabid right-wing radio host “Doctor” Laura Schlessinger raised eyebrows but caused no her lasting damage. Just recently the discovery of photos of controversial figure Carrie Prejean have caused scarcely a ripple. (Compared, at least, to her more-genuinely scandalous but unconcealed homophobia.)

Odds are that it won’t be that long before such photos wouldn’t derail a Supreme Court nomination.

That will be then, however. This is now. And now? Now, for whatever reason, not only do people feel embarrassed and threatened when a former partner posts photos, they also face potential discrimination from future partners, colleges, and employers during routine background searches.

So what to do?

Well, Google and background checks cut both ways. Well, sure, Google can turn up “incriminating” photos indicating that, like the entire rest of the population, one has a pee-pee and an inclination to do things that feel nice with them. But! Google can also turn up information on the assholes who think it’s fun, funny, or “revenge” to post such photos.

And you know what? While a “saturation” effect will likely protect victims in the future it’s extremely unlikely that perpetrators will be similarly protected. It’s unlikely that future employers, partners, journalists, or biographers will ever be pleased when they turn up evidence that a candidate has posted such photos.

“Youthful indiscretion” is almost by definition a transitory phenomenon that, again almost by definition, has no bearing on one’s likely future performance. Which is why the existence of naked photos you’ve posted of yourself, or that have been posted by others, are becoming less and less eyebrow raising.

“Being an asshole,” on the other hand, can be a little more… indicative. (For instance it’s very likely that no matter what he does in the years between, 30 years from now Jason Fortuny’s odds of a supreme-court nomination will be approximately what they are now: zero.)

So to the extent you can’t recall “revenge porn” photos once they’re posted on the internet I’d like to suggest making it just as difficult to erase information identifying the perpetrators who posted those photos. Social media seems tailor-made for disseminating and preserving that kind of out-the-outers information.

Yes, I’m aware that many victims would prefer the incident be forgotten as quickly as possible rather than dredged up again in the future. That’s obviously fine. But not every victim will feel that way. And, really, it only takes a few examples of damage to perpetrator’s careers or social lives to create a laudable “chilling effect” on other would-be perpetrators.

Ms. Naughty's Post Title Answers the Question Perfectly

Wed, 2008-12-03 00:40


Photo “Revenge is a dish best served cold” by Flickr user mollyjolly. Used under a Creative Commons license.

Ms Naughty of Porn for Women Blog answers an emailer’s question with the title of her post…

I was contacted the other day by a woman who asked me if I would consider publishing a male masturbation video featuring a guy who had not consented to the film’s distribution.

The rest of the post is great too. Read it here.

The title? “No, Stupid, Porn is Not For Revenge.”

Sounds about right. Nicely put, Ms. N.

Complications of Failure to Confront Misogyny

Sat, 2008-10-11 11:04

Via Jaded Hippie and Being Amber Rhea, Kate at Shapely Prose has a great post about men who go along to get along. It ends with


But please listen, and please trust me on this one: you have probably, at some point in your life, engaged in that kind of talk with a man who really, truly hates women — to the extent of having beaten and/or raped at least one. And you probably didn’t know which one he was.

And that guy? Thought you were on his side.

Read the quote in context here.

For instance, as a libertine prude I’m totally into the care BDSM sites like Kink.com put into making sure their work is produced with consent, consideration, and respect for all parties concerned. For instance I completely trust Calico of Dominatrix Next Door when she talks of her experiences there, and Renegade Evolution is downright cheerful about her participation in similarly “extreme” porn. Nor are they alone, at all, at all. But as a prudish libertine I’m pretty relentlessly concerned that the audience for those forms of porn seems to be far larger than the alleged target demographic of men and women educated to the give and take of consensual BDSM.

I’m not sure how to deal with that dichotomy. But as I’ve been saying a lot lately one way or another, the way to gain respect and acceptance for the former is to figure out how to confront the latter. I have a feeling thought that the Kate’s post points in the right direction.

[Note: I’m beginning a new extended series of photo posts. They’ll appear roughly once a day, generally arbitrarily attached to the day’s first post. Some are entirely safe for work, others not. Nothing in this set is particularly “explicit” but, as usual, if something come up I’ll include a notice before the “continue reading…” link so that people who’d rather not see more know not to… well… continue reading. —fl]

HNT Editorial: "Revenge Porn" Humiliates All of Us

Mon, 2008-10-06 17:19


Photo by Flickr user hbruinsma. Used under a Creative Commons license.

[This seemed relevant to HNT folks so I’m posting it today. —fl]

Lauren of Feministe takes an issue raised by Jessica at Jezebel...

One day, you’re exchanging promise rings, and the next thing you know, you’re prosecuting your ex-fiancé for putting photos of your boobs on MySpace. The perils of modern love! Richard Morgan delves deep into what he terms “Revenge Porn,” i.e., when men distribute pornographic images of their exes without consent, on Details.com, and it ain’t pretty. The most insidious form of revenge porn includes the woman’s name, phone number, and address along with the naughty video for ultimate public humiliation. The worst part of the whole thing? Revenge porn is notoriously hard to prosecute.

Read the original Jezebel article here.

... details her own experience of “revenge porn” and then makes a couple of excellent and obvious points

I don’t want to get into another feminist porn war on the blog, yet I think it’s pretty safe to say that most will agree that this is Not Okay. That being said, there is a market for this, so much so that there are several free and for-pay sites that capitalize on the “revenge porn” market, wherein dudes can post pictures and movies of their ex-bitches along with “that’ll show her!” messages meant to punish the little amateur sluts. The article linked in the blockquote details some of the issues victims run into when they try to get the movies and pictures removed, and moreover, the inability to prosecute their exes.

Read Lauren’s post here.

I’m… pretty sure that anyone who thinks it’s ok to upload intimate images without the subject’s permission, with or without identifying text, needs to have their corneas flared. As a highly visual person myself that’s about as harsh a fate as I’m likely to wish on anyone but… seriously!

I mean…

You know how I talk sometimes about how both sides of the feminist porn vs feminist anti-porn sides are mostly right? About how on the one hand “pro-sex” feminists are right that exercising agency and challenging centuries of pressure to appear, or even better to be, chaste and sexless empower women? And about how on the other that “anti-porn” feminist are right to point out that the reception of that exercise is often perceived by men not as power for women but privilege for men? Yeah, well revenge porn? That kind of puts the shoe squarely on the anti-porn foot.

It’s obviously a pain (although in kind of an “I told you so” sort of way) for anti-porn activists. It’s also pretty obviously a pain — real, heartfelt pain pain — for the victims. And it’s a serious jab in the eye for pro-porn activists as well. (And perhaps paradoxically it’s also a black eye and a setback for the dickwad choads who upload the stuff. I mean because, seriously, people have sex! And, with digital cameras being nearly universal they take pictures of each other too. The mere existence of such photos reveal nothing at all about the actual victims beyond their contemporary humanity. That their erstwhile partners upload such photos, meanwhile, demonstrate only the victims incredibly bad taste in partners. Also, whereas nobody really “deserves” to be humiliated, that someone’s ex uploads such photos is reason enough to recognize they made a rational choice in dumping them. Therefore the uploader betrays and humiliates only himself. Something to consider next time one contemplates pressing “send,” m’kay? But I digress….)

Anyway, because I’m very much in favor of voluntary sexual photography but bitterly opposed to coercion, exploitation, and denial of choice, and because there are plenty of people doing it willingly I’d like to point to an article by Ann Bartow of Feminist Law Professors that outlines how a) current copywrite law makes it very difficult for victims to limit such “revenge” uploads but b) how the law could easily be changed. I may be perpetually banned from commenting on Bartow’s site because we don’t always, um, agree, but this seems like a reasonable undertaking, especially since the goal is to put the decision to post photos in the hands of the actual subjects. (Such requirements already being routine and well-established in commercial porn.)

See also Whatsername the Jaded Hippy.

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