seduction

Language of Seduction #2b: Woah, How 'Bout That Formal Definition!?!?


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Yesterday I asserted that there are two meanings of the word seduction: one that’s in a class with obtaining sex by force and the other as more what autonomous people do when they’re both interested in sex but haven’t necessarily worked out the details.

In response to a comment I made on Maggie Hays’s post another commenter named Sophie said**

Interestingly enough, I’ve never heard of the second meaning. I checked the dictionary too (I don’t think anyone who stands with the word ‘seductive’ as not related to rape would want to check my dictionary; it spells it out as persuading someone to do something they wouldn’t otherwise do).

She said it here.

Bottom line is… yup, as far as the dictionary goes Sophie’s right. In fact, all the definitions of seduction are pretty gross!

se·duce (si do̵̅o̅s′, -dyo̵̅o̅s′)

transitive verb seduced -·duced′, seducing -·duc′·ing

1. 1. to persuade to do something disloyal, disobedient, etc. 2. to persuade or tempt to evil or wrongdoing; lead astray 3. to persuade (someone) to engage, esp. for the first time, in illicit or unsanctioned sexual intercourse 2. to entice

And then there’s the etymology

Etymology: ME seduisen < LL(Ec) seducere, to mislead, seduce < L, to lead aside < se-, apart (see secede) + ducere, to lead

Or more literary and less formal definitions…

To draw aside from the path of rectitude and duty in any manner; to entice to evil; to lead astray; to tempt and lead to iniquity; to corrupt.

Specifically, to induce to surrender chastity; to debauch by means of solicitation.

Notable quotes:

Voltaire: It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.

Jean Paul Sartre: If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I’m still waiting, it’s all been to seduce women basically.

Suggested synonyms include “debauch,” and “undo.”

We won’t even go into what the “seduction community” thinks they’re doing, although they do have that big emphasis on using various methods to approach women they by-definition believe wouldn’t ordinarily give them the time of day.

So… yeah, Sophie’s right about strict dictionary definitions but…

But…

But…

But…

If that really was the only meaning why so many objections to the characterization of seduction as a form of assault by those of ill will… usually men… against, primarily, the innocent (sexually or otherwise)... usually women or, ew, children?

Because it still seems like there’s more to it than that, at least in common use. Something that happens between the non innocent. Something that self-knowing songs with titles like “Fever” and “Fire” have in mind. Something to describe what consenting adults, single, coupled, or long-term-involved do besides negotiate the equivalent of a vanilla (or, heck, non-vanilla) safe word and shucking their outerwear.

I mean, I’m prepared to be wrong — the whole reason I post, as I used to say, was “to learn from my mistakes so you won’t have to.” I just don’t think I am wrong. So what, if anything, am I missing here?

[** Cool post by Sophie at 2 B Sophora. —fl]

Temptation and Denial

Have I mentioned I seem to have very strong willpower in the face of consensual but extraordinary temptation? The trick seems to be… thoroughly enjoy having it.

In comments last week Curvaceous Dee mentioned teasing a partner who was forced to keep his eyes on the road while she caressed herself in the passenger seat. All the way home. I’ve always had a roaringly good time in exactly those kinds of situations.

Of course teasing can go both ways with that. For instance sweet-talking about what you’d like to do to each other if you could only find a place to pull over… and then “accidentally” missing a promising deserted exit or side road? Oh yeah, extending the agony for another few miles… even if that really only means a few more minutes of driving time. Saying “ooh, I think there’s a spot just up ahead where we can pull over and… oh no, too many lights?” Also pretty humidifying.

But of course you don’t have to be in a car to find, or invent, all sorts of opportunities for teasing and denying yourselves. If you’re younger there’s always “not yet, I think your <sibling/parents/sitter> hasn’t <left/gone to bed/gone downstairs>!” And of course if you’ve got children — and the time and energy left anything but sleep :-) — there’s always “I think I hear footsteps.” And if you’re daft enough to have at-work relationships, well, the opportunities are endless — during normal work hours or after.

And then, obviously, there’s the “haven’t gone that far” phase of new relationships, although the actual, legitimate uncertainties are usually too distracting… not to mention too important… to call it tease and denial.

A couple of caveats. While it’s fun when it’s mutual and cooperative, unilateral teasing isn’t any more admirable than… I dunno… playground teasing. And when it gets wrapped up in the whole “no-sex” class thing it’s a bit too cliché, not to mention stereotype-enforcing to be very cool at all.

Fortunately it doesn’t have to be either unilateral or cliché. Instead it can be… delightfully appetizing. For hours, although preferably not for days.

And the nice thing about playing together, of course, is that when you’re working it together the worst that can happen is… you both lose! Which, when you’re talking about sexual tension, means you also both win. :-)

Awakening Interest


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Sexual “awakenings.” Ok, so inside the dominant paradigm it’s almost a foregone conclusion that women will just go lumping along through life, pressing wildflowers and talking about her feelings, and maybe vaguely dreaming of the day their prince will come… until someone, generally a man, comes along and “awakens” her sexuality.

Things are bound to have changed by now but at least back in my youth such “awakenings” were a staple of the earthier romance novels. Often a good bodice had to be sacrificed, often accompanied by a solid “how dare you” and a couple of furious slaps… that are quickly followed, one way or another, in more detail or less, by “getting it.” Eternal gratitude, plus exquisite china patterns, followed.

But gee, Ms. Inconspicuous of The Seduction of Infidelity says it’s not that simple

Some women find themselves “awakened” to their sexuality—going through life on a low-libido kind of keel, only to experience a sort of sexual renaissance later in life.

Others remain on the same level forever—either low, average or high. As long as I can remember, I’ve been a sexual being in some way, shape or form

Details here.

So… predictable figleaf pattern here would be for me to wax all poetic or wroth or something about women and the “no-sex” class, but I’m going to ask instead where the notion comes from that, as members of the sex class, men just automatically come activated right out of the box.

I ask because while I don’t remember a specific “oh yeah, that was it” moment I have a couple of other, very distinct ones including an invitation when I was six from a girl around my age who coaxed me to explore behind an old building in our neighborhood. Another was the not-quite-innocent-but-close realization that if the women’s swimsuits in the Sears catalog said “pull up briefs” it implied they could also be pulled down. And another moment, in my early twenties when a partner said “if you keep kissing me like that you can have me,” and again in thirties, when a partner put my arms to my sides and said “I’m doing this.”

So… thing is I couldn’t pick just one of those… or one of the other “awakenings” that kept springing to mind while I was getting supper ready. And I couldn’t pick one because, really, I’m pretty sure even the earliest ones I can remember aren’t the awakening, nor do I think the first one was probably much of a big deal.

But here’s the thing: each one of those things wasn’t so much an awakening as a reawakening. A new window opening letting in more light, a new door opening to a corridor of discovery. Sometimes I found them myself, other times I was shown.

Feel free to call my bluff on my next assertion but… I’m guessing that to the extent someone’s sexuality gets “awakened” it’s probably an experience similar to mine, and not so much like the fabled “Oh Captain Kirk, what is this thing your people call ‘sex?’” moment.

Of course I really am inviting you to call my bluff. I just saw that snippet from Ms I., and thought it sounded familiar, and thought I ought to ask. So. Opinions? Did you have a moment where you’ve felt “awakened?” Was it a one-time deal or was it for you, as it was for me, more of a series of reawakenings?

The "No-Sex" Class: Seductive Possibilities

One of the downsides of giving up on the daft “no-sex” class paradigm is having to give up… oh… say… 99.999% of all romantic songs, poems, and literature as… um… incomplete.

One of the upsides of giving it up, of admitting that not only are women not passive recipients but perfectly able to want sex because they want sex and not something else, of admitting that all men aren’t always enthusiastically and automatically ready for it… is…

...is not just recognizing how often you seduce us,
...but admitting how hot it is when you do

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