Holly of The Pervocracy says
There’s a weird paradox in every issue of Cosmo: they constantly say that men have huge sex drives and aren’t picky, then lay out thousands of things things you must do exactly right in order to get and please a man. Apparently dudes will fuck anything that moves… unless it’s wearing last season’s eyeshadow, gawd.
Observation #1: For some reason this way of putting it got the idea through my thick skull that many women really mean it when they say they think most men are picky about the minutest details of their appearance. (It’s not that men, being people, aren’t picky about stuff. Even superficial stuff. It’s that we’re generally not picky about what Cosmo insists we are, nor do the strategies they offer help with what we really are picky about.)
Observation #2: The fallacy in #1, above, is enough to justify Twisty’s “sex strike” mania, not because it would work but because it’s an antidote to the idea that if you don’t break your jaw trying to please a guy he’ll ditch you.
Observation #3: The idea of a sex strike being, of course, incompatible with the vision of men shared by no-sex-class-fetishizing antifeminists their equally paradigm-loving “rad-fem” feminists colleagues: as willing and able to have sex with anything (else) that moves including goats. Which incidentally would also be why I think men are more suited to the “sex class” designation.
Anyway, I’m not sure answering dumb idea with dumb idea makes it a good idea. But… seriously. Wow.
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Sort of like men get the idea if they’re not “Seven Or Better,” or if they can’t get past the rope line of whatever club all the PUA shows are taped in they’re never going to get laid at all.
The calculated insecurity driving the beauty and worthiness traps are great if you want to sell soap, or mascara, or motorcycle jackets. But they’re steaming mounds of crap if you want to re-diffuse sexual joy and excitement over the spectrum of human existence.
Amber Rhea of Being Amber Rhea talks about how most of the euphemisms for female genitalia double as insults that imply “weakness, uselessness, and contemptability.”
So, yeah, I will continue to get my panties in a bunch about pussy being used as an insult. Because it is NOT OKAY, and it IS important – not something to be “overlooked.” Likewise, years ago I stopped using “bitch” as an insult – there is no need to use a gendered insult when the non-gendered “asshole” or “jackass” or a million others will do. Plus I just hate the word. It makes me bristle and rankle and feel really bad inside. If I hear someone use it whom I consider a friend, suddenly I find myself questioning how much I should trust them.
And I will not abide those who roll their eyes and insist this is a minor issue and I’m – wait for it, here it comes – too sensitive.
If you give a shit about the status of women in society, you will STOP using those insults. That’s all there is to it.
Yes. Absolutely. It’s not just disgraceful it’s stupid.
I’ll go a step further and say you probably shouldn’t call yourself “sex positive” if you use any gender- or genitalia- or sex-act-specific terms as insults.
And yes, this goes waaaay back for me.
Anyway now that I’ve sort of aired out what it does and doesn’t mean, let’s look at a specific example SugarMag raised in the comment that prompted me to write this post:
[W]hat about the whole Christian husband spanking wife thing that has web sites that say “yeah ok it is kind of sexy but also biblical and good for the marriage, women really need to be spanked blah blah blah” and they say they are anti feminist (which seems pretty obvious).
This is one of those places where you can’t just pick up a “sex-positive” stick and start whacking way.
On the one hand there’s no question that receiving tapotement (as neutral a word for percussive stroking of the buttocks as I can find) turns on a lot of people, male and female. And for quite a few others, adding emotional, psychological, or historical/cultural/traditional elements adds to their and their partner’s appreciation. So even if tapotement (ok, spanking) isn’t your cup of tea there’s broad but not universal agreement that if it’s between adults who consent for mutual erotic gratification then it’s consistent with sex positivity.
On the other hand there are a couple of other sort of warning signs. Using tradition and, especially, gendered power/hierarchy traditions to cover up the “ok it is kind of sexy” suggests that it would be wrong to instead request to spank or to be spanked for plain old sexual arousal. That crosses the shame boundary and therefore isn’t consistent with sex-positivity.
Furthermore, making a universal judgment that all women “need to be spanked” for “biblical” purposes (yeah, like the Bible’s clear about that) is inconsistent.
Two other principles (no controlling another’s sexuality, gender-free perspective) with the idea that it’s a gender necessity for all male partners to control all female partners. That pretty much all such groups forbid women from spanking men is another inconsistency with the sex-positive tenet of gender-free perspectives.
And finally, there’s the huge point that claiming religious, moral, or traditional authority for the practice of husbands spanking their wives in order to “control” them collides massively with the sex-positive principle that everyone has the freedom to decline.
So while it’s not a clear-cut as “nope, it’s always wrong” or “it’s always right,” SugarMag provides a great example of how easy it can be to be “pro sex” without being “sex positive.”
[Note: This post at least temporarily revives a long-dormant RealAdultSex.com category, Guest-Blogging Topics. This post offers my rough take on the core meaning of the term “sex positive.” If you’ve got different ideas as to what “sex positive” means then by all means please feel free to air it out either here in comments or on your own blog if you have one. (If you don’t have one but would like to start now they’re astonishingly easy to setup.) —fl]
In comments to my “But Are You Positive?“ post SugarMag asked
Figleaf, I am very confused by your question. OK so, sex positive means pro sex, right?
The short answer is no, sex-positive really doesn’t mean pro-sex. For instance there are plenty of people (oh, say, traffickers in sex slaves, or their customers) who are chirpy/cheerily pro sex. And, perhaps more surprisingly, there are plenty of sex-positive people who would never consider having sex themselves.
It’s also absolutely the case that, just as certain Victorians used words like “enlightened” to justify sexual activities that weren’t enlightened at all, and just as certain individuals in the 1960s and 1970s used words like “liberal” to justify exploitive behavior, it’s inevitable that certain people would use “sex positive” as leverage for some pretty seriously negative behavior. So just saying you’re sex-positive, or complaining that someone else isn’t, isn’t going to cut it.
So what exactly is it supposed to mean then? Well, I’ve gone out and done a little Googling around to confirm it but my sex-ed professor last quarter did a pretty good job of consolidating both what constitutes “sex positivity” and, even more important maybe, what constitutes “sex negativity.” I’ll cite some further reading at the end of this post but for now I’ll just crib from my (admittedly sparse) lecture notes:
Sex positivity:
And notes for what constitutes sex negativity:
In other words, with sex negativity you wind up with people actually caring more that you have sex, how you have sex, with whom you have sex, and how often because in the context of shame and blame, for instance, it’s not just that you might be “doing it,” it’s that you might be doing it “wrong,” or, in a lot of ways worse, you might be doing it “better!” (That might give me a double opportunity for shame and blame, right? I could shame you for having it and blame myself for not enjoying it as much!)
Although, of course, thanks to the privacy angle we’re not supposed to discuss it, we pretend we don’t have it, and so we wind up in situations where we won’t actually talk to our partners about the sex we have with each other, but! We will talk about sex with our partners, or about the sex we’re pretending to have, in locker rooms, powder rooms, and, of course, on magazine covers. In terms of prohibitions we don’t just prohibit the big stuff like sex with those who can’t or won’t consent, we publish lists of “turn ons and turn offs that might surprise you” in magazines and call it educational. And finally, in terms of control? Oh, from that you get everything from archetypes chastity belts and threats of castration to divorce case law involving “alienation of affection,” to the domestic abuse of cloistering, to really trivial, ostensibly “pro-sex” things like pages-long how-to check lists and guides to this or that or the other sex act that can’t really be memorized, may not be that accurate (see “your experience or mine aren’t universal,” above), and in any event create myriad ways to “do it wrong.”
So that’s the extremely roughed-out version of what “sex positivity” does or doesn’t officially mean. But rough as it is I think it helps clarify that it really isn’t just another way to say “pro sex.”
Notes:
So yesterday during a brief lecture on what was meant by “sex-negative” culture, our professor presented a very cool statement about food:
Try to imagine the following world: Accurate information about food is freely available and exists for all ages in appropriate ways. Talking about what sorts of food you like and negotiating with a dinner partner is a simple and relaxed experience. Different preferences, whether personal or cultural, are important for the information they provide and are no more or less important than hair color or family history, unless people are trying to figure out what to eat together. Some people prefer to eat with the same person indefinitely, others prefer to eat in a group and still others eat with a variety of partners as the mood suits them and nobody is ever forced to eat anything or with anyone. Each person is an expert in their desires and needs around food and their choices are respected.
Now what was missing from the presentation was the source of that quote. Once I got home and started Googling around I’m pretty sure the source must have been The Language of Sex Positivity, by Charlie Glickman, from Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality, Volume 3, July 6, 2000. It contains the preceding paragraph and adds a nice follow-up…
While there are many examples of how our world is different from this food-positive one (as anyone who becomes vegetarian in a family of meat eaters knows,) it isn’t too hard to imagine this place. Now go back through the last paragraph and substitute “sex” for “food” and “have sex” for “eat.” How much more difficult is this world to imagine? How much more work would it take to make this happen?
On the other hand, our professor’s version contained a modified version of the first that didn’t require us to imagine…
Try to imagine the following world: Accurate information about sex is freely available and exists for all ages in appropriate ways. Talking about what sorts of sex you like and negotiating with a sex partner is a simple and relaxed experience. Different preferences, whether personal or cultural, are important for the information they provide and are no more or less important than hair color or family history, unless people are trying to figure out what kind of sex to have together. Some people prefer to have sex with the same person indefinitely, others prefer to have sex in a group and still others have sex with a variety of partners as the mood suits them and nobody is ever forced to be sexual or have sex with anyone. Each person is an expert in their desires and needs around sex and their choices are respected.
Our professor suggested that for all of society’s bragging about this or tisk-tisking about that, the fact that the two versions of the paragraph have highly different implications suggests that we have a sex-negative society. And I would add that the simple fact that we’d consider making the comparison in the first place is evidence of the same thing.
I adore food/sex analogies — I think they’re each wonderful metaphors for the other.

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So today in class during a professor-led discussion of the concept of “sex-negative” culture one of my fellow students said that, fairly or unfairly, feminism is seen as sex negative to a lot of people.
Our professor (the sex-ed professor, not the women’s studies one) immediately said that if that’s the impression it’s an unfortunate one. And, I might add, that if our women’s studies professor had been there she would have quickly cited one of several studies showing that not only do feminists have better sex than non-feminists, their partners do as well.
Now that said the misapprehension isn’t exactly, 100%, completely false… in the sense that there’s a misapprehension, not that feminism is sex-negative anyway.
If I’m not mistaken (and I really could be since I’m a man and since this is my first quarter of anything like formal women’s studies) the issue isn’t feminism but the misapprehension that “sexy” and “sexualized” are the same thing. And again if I’m not mistaken, very, very few feminists have a problem with sexy, as in the deliberate attempt to appear attractive through behavior or appearance in order to arouse one’s self and one’s current or prospective partner or partners, whether one ultimately has sex or not. But again if I’m not mistaken most feminists have a problem with the applique of those behaviors or appearances to individuals and situations where sex is neither intended nor welcome.
Think pre- and post-virginity Britney Spears. And I don’t mean the singer herself, I mean public reaction to her appearance and behavior before and after it became known that she actually was a sexual being rather than an unconscious, untouched no-sex-class naif… who wore her jeans so low she evidently needed to wax her mons and had waxy, pseudo-innocent “Oops I did it again.” Again, we can’t be certain of Spear’s inner life during her performing heyday but we can be certain about the public’s sexualization of her… or, indeed, the ongoing sexualization wherein the once-innocently “provocative” virgin pays for her fall into mere has-a-vagina-after-all womanhood. (And note that said sexualized fall is playing out with all the intensity and perfection and… again on the public’s part… deliberation as was her sexualized rise.)
Another possible point of departure? Yeah, while some separatists and, especially 2nd-wave feminists object to blowjobs, but not cunnilingus, on principle, a lot of feminists think they’re fine when considered as one element in a rich, reciprocal, and mutually satisfactory collection of sexual activities two or more people can agree to engage in. That’s just being sexual. But if, on the other hand, health clubs were to come along and start offering blowjob-ercise classes, and making claims that it wasn’t actually about blowjobs at all-and-how-can-you-even-suggest-such-at-thing™ but instead was about the yoga-like qualities of kneeling and breath control, and that such classes were somehow (somehow!) open only to women? Well, this time I’m speaking only for myself but… that’s sexualizing something that, in the hands of someone like, say, Jennifer of Libido Events would remain possibly eyebrow-raising to some but would nevertheless remain only sexual.
Know what I mean? You want to have sex with someone who wants to have sex with you, have sex. You want to be sexual with yourself or with others, be sexual! If you don’t want to, that’s fine too, and if someone you’re with doesn’t want to then respect that. That, not even coincidentally, happens to be the position both of “sex-positive” culture and virtually all feminism**. Trying instead to, oh, say, sell elementary-school-girl-sized thongs with “little hottie” in sequins on the front and then make a big production about how your corporation helps fund to sex abuse prevention programs as at least one of the major “family” department stores found in nearly all major malls? Sorry, if you found feminists complaining about such antics it’s not feminists who were being sex negative there. Instead it would merely being feminists pointing out how egregiously sex-negative both the sexualization of both pre-teen fashion and child-abuse prevention really is.
So, one more time, this time with a clumsy table.
| Sexual (Sex-positive or Sex-Neutral) | Sexualized (Sex-Negative) |
|---|---|
| Britney Spear’s private life | Public’s opinion of Britney Spear’s private life, especially as presented and discussed by media outlets with or without collaboration of Spears and/or her associates. |
| Blowjob classes | Nominally asexual “Blowjob-ercise” Classes |
| Undies that say “hottie” purchased by a sexually mature, self-aware adult | The same undies sold by a major corporation in pre-teen departments |
Again, I’m not speaking as a spokesman for… well… anybody but me although I am trying to convey something I’ve been learning in class. (And if I’m outright flunking the self-imposed exercise, which I’m pretty sure I’m not but you never know, and you’re at all inclined to participate then pointers, however harshly administered, will be appreciated.)
But anyway, this is all by way of attempting to explain the frequently-but-incorrectly stated assertion that feminism is somehow “sex negative” when it seems more accurate to say feminism opposes sex-negativity, especially in terms of the special case of sex-negative denial called sexualization.
[** Note: And, seriously, it’s not like even nominally “sex-negative” feminists don’t want sex at all, right? Not wanting empty-headed, exploitative, heterosexual-even-if-you’re-not-heterosexual sex isn’t the same thing as not wanting sex at all, right? That’s just not wanting to have sex with someone who isn’t authentically sex positive. So, as Heather Corinna’s famous for saying, when it comes to specific individuals “sex-negative” is sort of a red herring. —fl]

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In comments to an earlier lolicon post Cassandra of Cassandra Says said
I keep running into people who insist that there’s nothing weird or wrong about lolicon or shota because after all it doesn’t feature real kids, and the ink is not being harmed…and yet the problem remains that, even if it’s never acted upon, why would an adult be attracted to children? Within my online circles it seems to be considered judgemental and in poor taste to suggest that such an attraction may indicate that something has gone wrong with the wiring of the person with that attraction, and that far from being sex-positive, supporting such things may actually be rather sex negative, for all the reasons you’ve outlined.
Eh, I’m frustrated and just glad to see someone else who I trust as being smart and certifiably not a prude raising the same issues I have with this stuff.
First of all, not to disappoint but I’ll go one step further along the tolerance line and confidently that, even if somehow they couldn’t figure it out in advance, 99.9% of all aficionados of Japanese-style pedophile porn would be bitterly disappointed should they ever attempt to fulfill their fantasies with actual children because, you know, children aren’t just fully-functional miniature adults who are only “less inhibited and judgmental” than grownups.
Location on the sexual-tolerance line is all beside the point, though, since the question isn’t whether there’s something wrong with the child-attracted grown ups or not, but that when grown ups have sex with kids it tends to really fuck up the kid’s sex lives when they grow up. Therefore even if “lolicon” sex cured cancer it would still be problematic the way cannibalism is problematic: it involves consuming one person to gratify another.
So here’s the tricky part: if one is tolerant enough to be cool with destructive consumption of others then… well, then by definition one is also cool enough in turn to tolerate ruination of a consumer’s sex life in exchange for future gratification of his or her victims! And whenever coolness/tolerance balances out? well, then other considerations such as, oh, I dunno, Pareto optimization come into play. In which case consumptive destructives such as pedophiles, rapists, serial killers, sexual cannibals, and (sorry Anne Rice fans) vampires fall short. Way short.
Fun to have something about sex that, for once, both sexually tolerant and intolerant people can agree is disagreeable this shouldn’t be seen as a camel’s nose under the tent. When I was in college one of my math professors gave a too-brief introduction to a fairly esoteric field of math he called fixed-point approximation theory. I don’t recall much more than the gist, since by the end of that year my brain was way past full, but fixed-point theory evidently explains things like why on any given number line there will be one point that’s equivalent to zero, how if you find a hairy billiard ball there will always be a “crown” on it somewhere, and how if you take two pieces of paper, crumple one no matter how tightly, and lay the crumpled one on top of the flat one there will be at least one point on the crumpled piece that’s directly over the corresponding flat one.
Did I say esoteric? Why yes I did! But in each case that fixed-point approximation examines (sez my old professor) logic dictates there always exists a single point of stability. A fairly common conservative criticism of tolerances (and an even more common flaw of proponents of tolerance) is the point that if one was really tolerant then one would also tolerate those who oppose toleration. I think fixed-point approximation theory, both metaphorically and, I’m going to guess, logically, lets us call bullshit on that: just as a number line is going to have a zero on it somewhere — and you know how zero breaks parts of arithmetic like division without at all invalidating it — then there can be a “zero point” in tolerance that doesn’t just permit but to be logically consistent requires intolerant defense of the system. Well, so too with sexual tolerance: one can be as intolerant of destructive sexual consumption as a former Missouri Attorney General without ever agreeing with one on any other point.